TMCTLT wrote:Unions are absolutely still necessary, much like any other walk of life it depends on the individual as to what brand of fair treatment one will receive. The premise that employers will automatically treat their employees fair and not put them in harms way on the job is ludicrous!!! Some will sure, because they understand right from wrong, many will not, as they are greedy, self serving pricks who think they can and should be able to run rough shod over those who have no pedigree ie:
a college degree. Your comment on individual bargaining is interesting, I've worked for companies who had a policy in place that dis-allowed employees from discussing wages amongst themselves. Now I'm ALL for raises etc. being based on merit and performance, that's how it Should be!! But far too many employers want to deal with folks one on one in hopes that some will not be as strong @ negotiating their own fate as well as others. Now that being said I saw far too many cases of people who did NOT deserve to have that job for numerous reasons and the union retained their job anyway. And I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but far too many of the employees taking advantage this way were black employees. Because they knew that not only did they have the backing of their union...... they also had the NAACP to file discrimination charges should they try to have them removed / replaced! I saw first hand guys /gals taking turns clocking one another in on any given night, only for the one who's turn it was to go home while on the clock.............SICKENING!!!!!! And don't even ask why I didn't turn them in, I had a phuckin gun pulled on me over a parking spot, how do you think it would go down if I narked out Ghost employees? Keep in mind I was only 18, pretty much a kid yet.......
Lets face it, far too many positions in life are garnered out based on WHO you know, not What you know or how well you do it. Far too often jobs are won / lost based on personality alone. If the manager / man / woman in charge likes you and think they can manipulate you easier than some one else.....ding ding ding we've got a winner!!!!!
And I'd like to know why all the fuss over Auto Unions / Teacher Unions etc. but no one seems to have a PHUCKIN problem with Players Unions in professional sports? This is in my opinion one of the biggest travesties out there!!!!!!!
Oh wait, that's right they entertain us and they could get hurt and their career would be over........So would mine if I fell off a roof. had a beam fall on me, loose a limb or two, or any other number of possibilities. The entire professional sporting industry is shameful yet no ill words for them....................The bastids threaten to leave a community if said community fails to build them a new stadium to play in, even though there's nothing wrong with the one they currently have and still owe $20,000,000 on.....if you ask me it's All in ones perspective.............
Thanks for the input.
Here's the deal: some companies and/or owners are pricks.
You don't like it? Get another job.
Why do employees who work for large companies with labor union work forces need a voice for them, while the worker at the small company doesn't?
At what point in one's life does an adult say to himself: "My job is OK, but I need someone to negotiate my lot in life for me"??
If a person can't negotiate in support of themselves, then they're likely not a strong worker anyhow. Because a strong worker wouldn't NEED to negotiate very hard. Their work ethic would make the employer WANT to keep them becuase too few people earn their paycheck nowadays and good workers are a precious commodity.
I am an employer. I don't hire/fire, but I am part owner of a small manufacturing company.
As we grow, it is becoming MORE obvious that you need to do whatever necessary to keep the good workers.
We are not unique in this regards.
But in a larger company, why does the pay scale have to be known amongst employees? Why do two people doing the same job have to get paid the same?
If you want "fair" then whenever possible a paycheck should be equated to productivity. But I guarantee you that a labor union would be agaisnt that.
And don't dismiss this point as being minor. It's perhaps the biggest reason that unions hinder efficiency.
As for Professional players unions?
We agree that they are not needed.