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So when's Obummer gonna address the gas crises?
HockeyDad Offline
#51 Posted:
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There is no gas crisis.
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted:
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stupid ethanol.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
stupid ethanol.... Mellow



It is the nectar of the Gods.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#54 Posted:
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The Gods live in flyover states now?Think

Not talking
HockeyDad Offline
#55 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The Gods live in flyover states now?Think

Not talking



No, they hold the mortgage on the land!

Lenders rock!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#56 Posted:
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It's all clear now.

Yes.

The food crop is grown on leased land with frankenseeds from Monsanto. They could grow hemp, but Nooooooo!

The food crop instead of going to food is going to a manufacturing plant where they process the stuff (a rather expensive process too!) into a fuel additive that the taxpayer has to fund because our Congress and Senate passed legislation that we all must subsidize this endeavor.

Fuel prices are reaching the breaking point...food prices are soaring...the taxpayer is still getting soaked by both.

Yes, I can see it all clearly now!whip
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:

Lenders rock!




I prefer Sara Lee.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#58 Posted:
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Get on board the gravy train!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#59 Posted:
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I don't like gravy on bagels.

Shame on you Not talking Speak to the hand
jpotts Offline
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Papachristou wrote:
we need greener technology. fossil fuel is just that. a fossil they dont make more of. we need to look to the future and greener alternatives. look at germany. tons of diesels (why is diesel so high in the US? it costs 40% less to manufacture, i know big trucks cause more wear/tera on the roads but let consumers buy diesel for cars and light trucks at a reasonable price, ie less than gas) and every interstate is lined with solar panels and they give you a credit for letting the utility co put solar panels on your house or building!


This is utter nonsense.

First, you can make gasoline from woodchips. They have the technology to do that right now.

Secondly, "Fossil" fuels are derived from broken-down organic waste. Ergo, each day that passes, yesterday's dog poo is being turned into oil. The only question is if we are buring it faster than we're making it. The answer to that is anyone's guess.

Third: yes, let's look at Germany. Diesel fuel costs more in the US. Plus, those diesel engines being used in Europe would NEVER, EVER, NEVER pass emissions regulations here in the US. This is the prime reason why the European version of the Ford Fiesta took several years to convert over from a turbo-charged diesel to a gasoline engine. Mainly because of the fact that it would never pass federal emissions standards without a gasoline engine.

Finally, for my own amuesment, I did a cost study - using the numbers that some green whacko used to justify "going solar" - to figure out how long it would take before solar panels actually paid for themselves. On average, it took something like 25 years before the solar generation system actually paid for itself. And, on average, you could only produce half what the average household consumes on any given day. In Michigan, it took something like 40 years before your solar panels actually paid form themselves. And none of this took into account any maintenance that you might have to do on the system, or replacement costs for the panels (many solar panels have a 10 - 20 year warrenty, but as I've shown, they may not live long enough to pay for themselves).

Furthermore, virtually ALL of the components of a solar panel have to be mined. Whether it is the toxic elements that make up the cell substrate, the silicone used in virtually every part of the panel, or the copper, silver, and gold used in the wiring. If you like strip-mining, solar panels are your wet dream.

Germany had an agressive solar program for something like 10 to 20 years. In that period of time, solar production went from less than 1% of their overall energy production to...still less than 1% of their overall energy production.

Wow {sarcasm}. How {sarcasm} impressive {sarcasm}.

So, solar is a scam. It was a scam 20 years ago. It's a scam today.

Finally, having to rely on tax breaks to buy any of this "green" technology is like having someone take 20 dollars from your pocket, giving you one dollar back to "help" you pay for something that'll cost you $100.00. Being taxed by the government so that they can give me a pittance back to help "pay" for something is about as stupid as it gets.
jpotts Offline
#61 Posted:
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As to the original post, Idi Amin Jr.'s energy polict can be summed up into three words:

SUCK IT UP!

Gas prices too high?

SUCK IT UP!

Electricity prices too high?

SUCK IT UP!

Can't run your furnace in the winter because of the cost?

SUCK IT UP!

Have to choose between heat and food?

SUCK IT UP!

You're a laid-off oil worker?

SUCK IT UP!

The country is more dependant than ever on foreign oil?

SUCK IT UP!




All I can say is that I didn't vote for this guy. You can thank all of the suckers out there who swooned over Idi Amin Jr. because "he would take us in a different direction than Bush."

How do you like this "new direction?"

elk hunter Offline
#62 Posted:
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Someone in a news conference last week asked Obama when he was going to address the fuel issue and he told them that if they don't like the high gas prices, buy a car that gets better fuel mileage....

Yep, this guy REALLY cares about the future of America.....
Stinkdyr Offline
#63 Posted:
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ok, I'll say it again....


RE-ELECT NOBODY !!

fog
HockeyDad Offline
#64 Posted:
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jpotts wrote:


How do you like this "new direction?"




I'm lovin it!
Papachristou Offline
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HD is lovin it like some mcdonalds!
HockeyDad Offline
#66 Posted:
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Government mandated ethanol is like hot French fries and an apple pie!
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted:
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the guvment should give us a choice between ethanol and cheese... forcing ethanol on everyone and only giving cheese to the poor isn't fair... Mad
Kawak Offline
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Victor Davis Hanson, National Review Online, has a fine paragraph to open his analysis of this.

"The president gave the sort of scare speech he not long ago warned against, and blasted the income-tax rates he not long ago agreed were necessary -- in a context in which he has just presented a budget with a $1.6 trillion deficit of the sort he now says is unsustainable, and has warned about recklessly voting against raising the debt ceiling in a fashion that he himself had once done, in a larger landscape in which he had once damned attacking Middle East countries in optional wars, Guantanamo, renditions, tribunals, preventative detention, intercepts, wiretaps, Predators, and leaving troops in Iraq, and then embraced or expanded all that and more (this list is infinite and includes everything from drilling to campaign financing to earmarks)."

Whatever he says, he'll change it on a dime. "These weird about-faces raise interesting questions that transcend the current politics of the deficit:

a) Has Obama in his past careers never been called to account and so reached a point where simply being Obama means that we are not supposed to apply standards of accuracy, memory, and consistency to him in the way we do to all others?

b) Or does an absent-minded Obama carelessly make up things up ad hoc as he goes along, forgetting what he said earlier, but secure that his hope-and-change delivery of the moment will so mesmerize the audience that no one will remember or care if at times he ends up saying exactly the opposite of what he had said earlier?

c) Or is he so blatantly partisan a politician that he has no principles at all and knowingly says things that are aimed at appealing to 51 percent of the public at any given moment, and therefore will always change with public opinion?

d) Or is he so cynical that he understands campaign rhetoric has nothing to do with actual governance, and so he is allowed to say something that he knows in advance that he is not bound to follow?

e) Or is he so bored with the trying job that he feels no responsibility to offer reliable, consistent governance, and so rashly throws things out and then hastens back to the more enjoyable PR aspects of the office?"

This Victor Davis Hanson at National Review Online desperately trying to explain this, 'cause it is puerile. It is infantile, it is incoherent, it's immature, it's childish. It's certainly not presidential.
jpotts Offline
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Kawak wrote:
Victor Davis Hanson, National Review Online, has a fine paragraph to open his analysis of this.

"The president gave the sort of scare speech he not long ago warned against, and blasted the income-tax rates he not long ago agreed were necessary -- in a context in which he has just presented a budget with a $1.6 trillion deficit of the sort he now says is unsustainable, and has warned about recklessly voting against raising the debt ceiling in a fashion that he himself had once done, in a larger landscape in which he had once damned attacking Middle East countries in optional wars, Guantanamo, renditions, tribunals, preventative detention, intercepts, wiretaps, Predators, and leaving troops in Iraq, and then embraced or expanded all that and more (this list is infinite and includes everything from drilling to campaign financing to earmarks)."

Whatever he says, he'll change it on a dime. "These weird about-faces raise interesting questions that transcend the current politics of the deficit: a) Has Obama in his past careers never been called to account and so reached a point where simply being Obama means that we are not supposed to apply standards of accuracy, memory, and consistency to him in the way we do to all others? b) Or does an absent-minded Obama carelessly make up things up ad hoc as he goes along, forgetting what he said earlier, but secure that his hope-and-change delivery of the moment will so mesmerize the audience that no one will remember or care if at times he ends up saying exactly the opposite of what he had said earlier?

"c) Or is he so blatantly partisan a politician that he has no principles at all and knowingly says things that are aimed at appealing to 51 percent of the public at any given moment, and therefore will always change with public opinion? d) Or is he so cynical that he understands campaign rhetoric has nothing to do with actual governance, and so he is allowed to say something that he knows in advance that he is not bound to follow? e) Or is he so bored with the trying job that he feels no responsibility to offer reliable, consistent governance, and so rashly throws things out and then hastens back to the more enjoyable PR aspects of the office?"

This Victor Davis Hanson at National Review Online desperately trying to explain this, 'cause it is puerile. It is infantile, it is incoherent, it's immature, it's childish. It's certainly not presidential.




I'm laying a heavy bet on "a".

He has never really had to work hard at anything in his adult life. He's never had to build anything. He's never had to produce anything. He's never shown a success at anything that is remotely productive. He's a hard-core socialist. And as history has shown, all hard-core socialists are elitists and liars to their very core.

The same can be true of any of his ilk. The same can be applied to Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, and Pol Pot.
fishinguitarman Offline
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Wait! Obummer is a socialist?
DadZilla3 Offline
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Wait! Obummer is a socialist?

Sure, a lot of those 'natural-born Hawaiians' are socialists.
gimbel Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
His average response time for a crisis is 10days..

Does that time line include his vacation?
ZRX1200 Offline
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His vacations are usually 1-2 weeks, but he has given speeches while stuff happened. Didn't cut vacation short though.
He's a busy man gimbel!
missellemarie Offline
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Gas Prices = increased agonizing misery.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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missellemarie wrote:
Gas Prices = increased agonizing misery.



It's all manipulated.

Ever have the feeling you've been cheated? - Johnny Rotten
HockeyDad Offline
#76 Posted:
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There is no gas crisis.
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
There is no gas crisis.




true... true.... I can buy as much as want.... bought a **** load last weekend... Mellow
blueboy Offline
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This just in from CNN GAS PRICES ARE GOING DOWN! OBAMA SAYS THE DAY AGAIN!!!

























































Correction: No Wait he isn't back from Vacation! No Change! Imagine That!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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He DID....YESTERDAY!!!!


Obama blames speculators for high gasoline prices - (AFP) – 15 hours ago


ANNANDALE, Virginia — US President Barack Obama blamed oil "speculators" on Tuesday for soaring gasoline prices that risk weighing down the US recovery and could dampen his 2012 election hopes.

"It is true that a lot of what's driving oil prices up right now is not the lack of supply. There's enough supply. There's enough oil out there for world demand," Obama said at a campaign-style event not far from Washington.
"The problem is, is that oil is sold on these world markets, and speculators and people make various bets, and they say, 'you know what, we think that maybe there's a 20 percent chance that something might happen in the Middle East that might disrupt oil supply,'" he said.

"'So we're going to bet that oil is going to go up real high.' And that spikes up prices significantly," said the president, who recently launched his reelection campaign.

His comments came as oil prices rallied in New York, rebounding from the previous day's heavy losses as a weaker dollar boosted demand for dollar-priced commodities.

New York's main contract, light sweet crude for delivery in May, surged $1.03 to finish at $108.15 a barrel, even as US gasoline prices hovered just below the $4-per-gallon mark after rising steadily since late 2008.

"We're now in a position where we can investigate if there's unfair speculation. We're going to be monitoring gas stations to make sure there isn't any price gouging that's taking advantage of consumers," promised Obama.
"But the truth is that it is a world commodity, and when prices spike up like this there aren't a lot of short-term solutions. What we have are medium- and long-term solutions," he said.

Obama's Republicans foes have pounded him over the rise in fuel prices, accusing him of putting on hold new oil drilling that could eventually lead to lower prices.








So...don't actually DO anything about it...just point fingers? THAT'S what America needs at a time like now? Toss the Kenyan King into the "One And Done" bin and let's get it back on track!
HockeyDad Offline
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"We're now in a position where we can investigate if there's unfair speculation. We're going to be monitoring gas stations to make sure there isn't any price gouging that's taking advantage of consumers,"



Sure we are. We'll get right on that!!!!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
gringococolo Offline
#82 Posted:
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By blaming speculators he is still blaming Bush.
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Where are the media ganging up on the prez about this? The dollar just fell to a new 2 1/2 year low thanks to all the printing of money by the Fed, and that is a big part of the reason for oil and gasoline going up. Keynsian economics at work!
Kawak Offline
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"Under my plan, energy prices, would necessarily skyrocket"

ZRX1200 Offline
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$97 to fill up yesterday........ guess no bidding on Mark Twains this week.
HockeyDad Offline
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$3 gas was the tipping point when Americans would change their lifestyles.

$4 gas was the tipping point last time leading into the recession.

This time we're going for $5!
Stinkdyr Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
$3 gas was the tipping point when Americans would change their lifestyles.

$4 gas was the tipping point last time leading into the recession.

This time we're going for $5!


Bbbbbut the economy is recovering.........Obomba says so.
Aaaannnd there is no inflation..........the ben bernank says so.


All is perfect in this most perfect of ideal worlds!
Candide


Beer
HockeyDad Offline
#88 Posted:
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Life is good!
nickatnite Offline
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missellemarie wrote:
Gas Prices = increased agonizing misery.







Gas Prices = Less Amount Of Smokes Being Able To Buy
nickatnite Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
It's all clear now.

Yes.

The food crop is grown on leased land with frankenseeds from Monsanto. They could grow hemp, but Nooooooo!

The food crop instead of going to food is going to a manufacturing plant where they process the stuff (a rather expensive process too!) into a fuel additive that the taxpayer has to fund because our Congress and Senate passed legislation that we all must subsidize this endeavor.

Fuel prices are reaching the breaking point...food prices are soaring...the taxpayer is still getting soaked by both.

Yes, I can see it all clearly now!whip







It doesn't make a difference if the Prez is Bush or Obama, Demo or Repub, the people of the great US of A , would still get the shaft.
HockeyDad Offline
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nickatnite wrote:
It doesn't make a difference if the Prez is Bush or Obama, Demo or Repub, the people of the great US of A , would still get the shaft.




Getting the shaft is the role of indentured servants. Don't worry be happy.


I just paid over $4 for a gallon of gas. Life is good.
cacman Offline
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And once AGAIN there is talk of eliminating the millions of dollars in tax subsidies big oil receives from tax payers as big oil reports record quarterly profits... AGAIN.

Want to edge the cost of gas... by stock in these companies. They're reaping almost 400 million A DAY in profits. It's a total scam. Obama doesn't run this country. He’s just a puppet to the political machine run by big business and wall street.
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well, if you're not allowed to drill then I guess the money just sits for awhile... normally those profits would be spent on new wells... it takes about one billion dollars to get the first barrell of oil out of the ground offshore.... it's not hard to figure out why prices are high.. Mellow
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Gas prices are what they are because of the failed economic policies that have know led to the declined value of the U.S. dollar. Crude is traded with U.S. dollars, it (the dollar) has become worth less on the world marketplace hence the increase of a barrel of crude. HD you are correct there is no shortage, just failed economic policies of this administration,
or as some may think, intentional. Whatever you think either way we have no leadership in this country right now, just a bunch of power hungry egotistical fools who's only concern is is what the latest poll says for them.

BTW someone said they paid 93 bucks to fill up, got ya on that 118 on 4/29, and i work for one of these horrible oil companies, HaHa !
HockeyDad Offline
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cacman wrote:
He’s just a puppet to the political machine run by big business and wall street.




I believe the term you are looking for is "globalists". (We control everything)
kwenner Offline
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I'm buying an electric car at the end of the year....

The Ford (an American Company) Focus Electric, I drive 10 miles to work and 10 miles home... Plenty of places to shop (i.e, grocery stores) between here and there. Keeping the gas car for long trips. By doing this i lower my OIL consumption (not American Companies), I buy my FUEL from Duke Power (an American Company) and in the end pay just as much as everyone else. But my money is going to help the country I live in and I will get a $8500 tax credit from Odumbdumb (as I saw someone else call him)...
HockeyDad Offline
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kwenner wrote:
I'm buying an electric car at the end of the year....

The Ford (an American Company) Focus Electric, I drive 10 miles to work and 10 miles home... Plenty of places to shop (i.e, grocery stores) between here and there. Keeping the gas car for long trips. By doing this i lower my OIL consumption (not American Companies), I buy my FUEL from Duke Power (an American Company) and in the end pay just as much as everyone else. But my money is going to help the country I live in and I will get a $8500 tax credit from Odumbdumb (as I saw someone else call him)...



Agree completely and considering the same thing.
Papachristou Offline
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HD,

how many americans have really changed their life style? i saw three ladies in a row leaving a yuppy neighborhood the other morning. all driving 8 passenger tanks (yukon XL, caddy ESV, tahoe, etc) then the radio had people calling in bltching about how much it cost them to fill up their vehicles. There was countless dumbass men calling in complaing about their $100 fillup in the Z71 truck and women about their tahoes. I would like to ask them how many of those men actually worked on a farm and NEEDED a truck and more specifically, why you cant get by with a little 1.4 diesel truck like most of europe does. Then on to all the moms and their massive tanks, really? is that 3 ton hunk of scrap metal really needed? give me a break.

to piss me off even more i heard a chevy commercial that talked about "treading responsibibly" in a tahoe hybrid. its like twisting the knife of irony. that thing gets 2-3MPG better than a regular tahoe with its 1 ton of lead acid batteries. its really a joke.

i just cant see americans changing their ridiculous car buying habits unless gas gets to $5-6 per gallon. every day, i glance in amazment at the amount of SUVs and trucks i see with one effing person driving them.
DrafterX Offline
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I will gladly pay $5.00 a gallon now that Bin Laden is dead... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
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Americans won't change their lifestyles until $5 gas.

Hence, there is no gas crisis.
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