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Gitmo got Bin Laden.. Thank You Mr.Waterboard
chiefburg Offline
#101 Posted:
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Was flipping through the channels tonight I stumbled upon Rachel Maddow. Her show seemed to be a Bush bashing session. She was followed by a piece of work called The Ed Show. That guy made Rush look like a saint. His entire show was focused on Bush bashing as well. He even showed a video where Obama was talking about solidarity amongst the parties, yet Mr. Ed (or whatever the hell his name is) continued to bash Bush as much as possible. I will give him credit though - he did state he was a ardent Obama supporter.

That's what I get for watching the news channels......I felt I needed a shower after their "fair and balanced" reporting. What a load of crap that was...... Of course, all of his guests were Bush bashers as well and were designed to show support for his side. He didn't have a single person on who had a different point of view - only his view.

Anyone who watches any of that crap on a regular basis has to be brain dead by now......

If you'll excuse me, I'm going to throw up and then wash the sh*t off my clothes and skin.
FuzzNJ Offline
#102 Posted:
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chiefburg wrote:
Was flipping through the channels tonight I stumbled upon Rachel Maddow. Her show seemed to be a Bush bashing session. She was followed by a piece of work called The Ed Show. That guy made Rush look like a saint. His entire show was focused on Bush bashing as well. He even showed a video where Obama was talking about solidarity amongst the parties, yet Mr. Ed (or whatever the hell his name is) continued to bash Bush as much as possible. I will give him credit though - he did state he was a ardent Obama supporter.

That's what I get for watching the news channels......I felt I needed a shower after their "fair and balanced" reporting. What a load of crap that was...... Of course, all of his guests were Bush bashers as well and were designed to show support for his side. He didn't have a single person on who had a different point of view - only his view.

Anyone who watches any of that crap on a regular basis has to be brain dead by now......

If you'll excuse me, I'm going to throw up and then wash the sh*t off my clothes and skin.


lmao, Ed and Rachel make no secret they are liberal and don't claim 'fair and balanced', that's Fox. Rachel does like to present both sides but argues the liberal side. Ed? He never does and always shouts his sh*t. I never watch him, he reminds me of the left's Rush. Rachel I do watch occasionally. She's really sharp and you can really notice it when she is on meet the press or other shows like it.

donutboy2000 Offline
#103 Posted:
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I thought that Obama closed Gitmo.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#104 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Um, no. What we've got here is unnamed sources saying that this is how the information came about, apparently former and current government people. Now on this thread I have been told that named sources, under oath were lying, because it didn't fit the story line. Yet you are willing to accept unnamed sources that may be just trying to justify a policy that they supported all along.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you are not using logic in your reasoning.




BAM!!!




Finally, in May 2005, al-Libi was captured. Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier. But he made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti, a denial that was so adamant and unbelievable that the CIA took it as confirmation that he and Mohammed were protecting the courier. It only reinforced the idea that al-Kuwaiti was very important to al-Qaida.
If they could find the man known as al-Kuwaiti, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not discuss al-Kuwaiti while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He acknowledged knowing him many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden

Now...STFU!!! GUess there's 4 now!!!!
FuzzNJ Offline
#105 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
BAM!!!

Mohammed did not discuss al-Kuwaiti while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He acknowledged knowing him many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden

Now...STFU!!! GUess there's 4 now!!!!



Four that say it wasn't water-boarding like this one? So I need to STFU because you are all saying I'm right?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#106 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Four that say it wasn't water-boarding like this one? So I need to STFU because you are all saying I'm right?



No.

You claimed that your "sources" only said 3 people were waterboarded.

I don't care if it works or not...personally though...I believe it does.

I also don't care what means we use against these islamofascists. There are no "rules" for them. If anything the brutality they unleash should only strengthen our resolve and the way we extract information.

Next time you want to get all mamby pamby...remember Daniel Pearl.

Remember Nick Berg.

Remember Paul Johnson.

Remember all of the soldiers killed by IED's.

STFU
FuzzNJ Offline
#107 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
No.

You claimed that your "sources" only said 3 people were waterboarded.

I don't care if it works or not...personally though...I believe it does.

I also don't care what means we use against these islamofascists. There are no "rules" for them. If anything the brutality they unleash should only strengthen our resolve and the way we extract information.

Next time you want to get all mamby pamby...remember Daniel Pearl.

Remember Nick Berg.

Remember Paul Johnson.

Remember all of the soldiers killed by IED's.

STFU


My "source" was the director of the CIA Gen. Michael Hayden who gave the answer while testifying under oath to Congress. Sure, I suppose it's possible he was lying.

The 3 that were water-boarded are supposedly Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.
Where in that article does it say more that 3 were water-boarded? I couldn't find it.

Stinkdyr Offline
#108 Posted:
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Fuzz, you just keep whining and whanking.........


we'll keep waterboarding scumbags and keep America safe for you.


Herfing
robertknyc Offline
#109 Posted:
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Killing Bin Laden is okay with the left, right? But what if we took him alive, would you lefties be against waterboarding him?
FuzzNJ Offline
#110 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
Killing Bin Laden is okay with the left, right? But what if we took him alive, would you lefties be against waterboarding him?


I would be, yes. We are better than that and shouldn't lower ourselves and our morals to that of a terrorist in order to accomplish our goals.
robertknyc Offline
#111 Posted:
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So shooting at point blank range and KILLING him is okay, but pouring a little water on his face is worse. Okay, got it.
FuzzNJ Offline
#112 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
So shooting at point blank range and KILLING him is okay, but pouring a little water on his face is worse. Okay, got it.


Yes. One is torture of an already captured person, the other is a killing in a battle zone.
robertknyc Offline
#113 Posted:
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Bin Laden wasn't armed when he was shot! Where is the liberal outrage? If this was an NYPD cop shooting an unarmed black guy we would never hear the end of it from the likes of Al Sharpton. Let's be consistent now liberals.
DrafterX Offline
#114 Posted:
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Osama was asked kindly to come outside with his hands up.... he responded with, "you got no right telling me to go anywhere. i'll come out and talk to your mama" and was promtly shot... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#115 Posted:
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The more information comes out the more this story changes.

Now according to a recent headline the Kenyan King "thought" about this mission for over 16 hours.

16 hours?

On an unarmed guy?

We're lucky he didn't pop out for a bite to eat or something.

900 feet away from the Paki equivelent of our West Point? They didn't know a "high value target" was there? Gimmie a break.

This has all the hallmarks of disinformation written all over it.Frying pan
FuzzNJ Offline
#116 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
Bin Laden wasn't armed when he was shot! Where is the liberal outrage? If this was an NYPD cop shooting an unarmed black guy we would never hear the end of it from the likes of Al Sharpton. Let's be consistent now liberals.


You are comparing bin Laden to an unarmed black guy in New York city?

Are you serious?

Osama bin Laden=Black guy?

WTF is wrong with you?
DrafterX Offline
#117 Posted:
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LOL
FuzzNJ Offline
#118 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The more information comes out the more this story changes.

Now according to a recent headline the Kenyan King "thought" about this mission for over 16 hours.

16 hours?

On an unarmed guy?

We're lucky he didn't pop out for a bite to eat or something.

900 feet away from the Paki equivelent of our West Point? They didn't know a "high value target" was there? Gimmie a break.

This has all the hallmarks of disinformation written all over it.Frying pan


He also ordered the mission on Friday. It was scrubbed on Sat. because of weather. He flew to Alabama and sat through the corresspondent's dinner, laughing and telling jokes, laughing at a joke about Osama knowing he had just gave the go ahead on the raid. The man is smooth.
borndead1 Offline
#119 Posted:
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Fuzz is owning this thread.
teedubbya Offline
#120 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Fuzz is owning this thread.


so it is now a "kept" thread?
HockeyDad Offline
#121 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Fuzz is owning this thread.




Only because George W Bush and the grace of God gave FuzzNJ the privilege of owning this thread.
teedubbya Offline
#122 Posted:
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Has anyone seen OBL's long form death certificate? Until then I'm not saying he is alive but am just sayin....

DrafterX Offline
#123 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Has anyone seen OBL's long form death certificate? Until then I'm not saying he is alive but am just sayin....






typical.... Make a decision man!!!! Mellow
robertknyc Offline
#124 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You are comparing bin Laden to an unarmed black guy in New York city?

Are you serious?

Osama bin Laden=Black guy?

WTF is wrong with you?


Okay numbskull, I am not comparing Bin Laden to an unarmed black guy, that's an erroneous leap you made. I am asking liberals who are squeamish about waterboarding the worst terrorist of our lifetime to express outrage at killing him when he's unarmed and not "on the battlefield." If we can't waterboard a guy who was responsible for the death of thousands of people, how in the world can we justify shooting him in the head (and not Tazing him or just wounding him) when he just got out of bed after minding his own business? It's a completely hypocritical position.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#125 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The man is smooth.



Like Courvoisier!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHk6baDAtsw
DadZilla3 Offline
#126 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Has anyone seen OBL's long form death certificate? Until then I'm not saying he is alive but am just sayin....

Rumor is that it says OBL was killed in Hawaii...
teedubbya Offline
#127 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Rumor is that it says OBL was killed in Hawaii...


Great. Now we will never get to see it.

By the way, did anyone notice the code name for the courrier that led to OBL was CROS?

weird.
DrafterX Offline
#128 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Great. Now we will never get to see it.

By the way, did anyone notice the code name for the courrier that led to OBL was CROS?

weird.



Think Think
FuzzNJ Offline
#129 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
Okay numbskull, I am not comparing Bin Laden to an unarmed black guy, that's an erroneous leap you made. I am asking liberals who are squeamish about waterboarding the worst terrorist of our lifetime to express outrage at killing him when he's unarmed and not "on the battlefield." If we can't waterboard a guy who was responsible for the death of thousands of people, how in the world can we justify shooting him in the head (and not Tazing him or just wounding him) when he just got out of bed after minding his own business? It's a completely hypocritical position.


Let me make it very clear for you why it is not a hypocritical position.

IT'S OSAMA BIN LADEN YOU IDIOT. OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!!!

IT IS NOT AN UNARMED BLACK GUY MINDING HIS BUSINESS IN NYC!!!

Clear?
robertknyc Offline
#130 Posted:
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Right, so mudering him without a trial in Federal court is okay, but waterboarding is not. Yah, real liberal consistency.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#131 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Let me make it very clear for you why it is not a hypocritical position.

IT'S OSAMA BIN LADEN YOU IDIOT. OSAMA BIN LADEN!!!!!

IT IS NOT AN UNARMED BLACK GUY MINDING HIS BUSINESS IN NYC!!!

Clear?



Yeah!

Preach on Broth...er...Alice!

Besides if it was NYC they wudda shoved a plunger up his pooper!

Ain't that right Alice?


Hell yeah!


PS: Hurry on down to the shop...Sam has some "meat" he wants to serve you!
FuzzNJ Offline
#132 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
Right, so mudering him without a trial in Federal court is okay, but waterboarding is not. Yah, real liberal consistency.


You aren't expecting me to speak for all liberals are you? I'm speaking for myself here.

And yes, it is my position that killing Osama bin Laden is fine. I'm sorry you don't feel the same way apparently. I'm glad he's not getting a trial, I'm glad he's dead. Can't make that clear enough. That does not translate to it is now ok for the military to go in and kill anyone, anywhere at anytime. This is Osama bin Laden we're talking about here.

And yes, once someone is in our custody and care we should not subject them to torture techniques.
teedubbya Offline
#133 Posted:
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I do wish they had arrested him rather than killed him. But my guess is that was more risky than it was worth. Once in custody if you are going to torture someone do not codify it or make it a blessed practice. Just do it and deny it. Duh.

That said....

I think they should have arrested him, charged him, then in a very public way drop all charges and release him at a certain time in downtown NYC.
ZRX1200 Offline
#134 Posted:
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Osama Abner Luima Bin Laden??
DrMaddVibe Offline
#135 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
And yes, once someone is in our custody and care we should not subject them to torture techniques.



Whew...but making sure they have pudding cups, prayer mats and play time is okay...right?
DadZilla3 Offline
#136 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
And yes, once someone is in our custody and care we should not subject them to torture techniques.


It isn't torture, it's enhanced interrogation.
teedubbya Offline
#137 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
It isn't torture, it's enhanced interrogation.


It's torture. Just do it and do not sign anything saying its cool. It's not complicated.
robertknyc Offline
#138 Posted:
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I'm all for shooting him on sight, but then I don't take the hypocritical position that waterboarding him is not okay and worse than summary execution. That, though, is the lunatic position of FuzzNJ.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#139 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
It's torture. Just do it and do not sign anything saying its cool. It's not complicated.



I KNEW we could count on the Tdubster to chime in and give a nod to a good old waterboarding @ 30,000 feet...extract all the info from them we can (using the most insignificant detainee...whilst the most valuable are watching!) and then pitch them off the back of a C-130 somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean.

Yeah!

TW is back in the fold!!!!Frying pan
FuzzNJ Offline
#140 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I do wish they had arrested him rather than killed him. But my guess is that was more risky than it was worth. Once in custody if you are going to torture someone do not codify it or make it a blessed practice. Just do it and deny it. Duh.

That said....

I think they should have arrested him, charged him, then in a very public way drop all charges and release him at a certain time in downtown NYC.


Heh, I've thought of that too. Revenge by the people of NYC.

However, a long trial and having this a-hole around for years would just drag it out longer than needed and make more targets for fanatic morons.
DadZilla3 Offline
#141 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
It's torture. Just do it and do not sign anything saying its cool. It's not complicated.

If we're talking waterboarding and the like, that isn't torture. Heck, there's probably a lot of guys in Frisco that'd pay good money to be treated like that.
FuzzNJ Offline
#142 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Osama Abner Luima Bin Laden??


That was a horrible time in this area and people like Hannity never apologized for their role in the lies the police and their families were telling on a daily basis here.
FuzzNJ Offline
#143 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
It isn't torture, it's enhanced interrogation.



It's torture.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#144 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
It's torture.



You know all about torture too.

Sesame Street and Barney on PBS followed by Tellitubbies.

Then if it's not bad enough a lil Jerry Springer to indulge the inner beast followed by a rousing Rachel Ray for inspiration for dinner...yeah...please spare us all there Marine!
DadZilla3 Offline
#145 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
It's torture.

Pouring water up somebody's nose isn't torture. And they aren't enemy soldiers. They're members of a terrorist organization and wear no nation's uniform. They deserve no protection or consideration.
FuzzNJ Offline
#146 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Pouring water up somebody's nose isn't torture.


I choose to go by American and International laws and treaties rather than the opinions of dudes on a cigar message board, but hey, that's me.
DadZilla3 Offline
#147 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I choose to go by American and International laws and treaties rather than the opinions of dudes on a cigar message board, but hey, that's me.

Fair enough. Unfortunately for the many thousands of people worldwide who've lost their lives because of these low lifes, those people you strive to bestow American and International legal protection on do not play by those rules.
FuzzNJ Offline
#148 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Fair enough. Unfortunately for the many thousands of people worldwide who've lost their lives because of these low lifes, those people you strive to bestow American and International legal protection on do not play by those rules.


And, as I've said, we are not like them. We are better, smarter and more civilized and should not lower ourselves to their level. It's not necessary to throw away our moral principles to win the battle. As a matter of fact, it only hurts our chances.
FuzzNJ Offline
#149 Posted:
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Looks like the only person still standing by the 'torture found Osama' thing is Peter King and some editorial torture supporters.

I guess everyone who said it was torture is going to be posting a retraction and saying something like, 'Looks like you were right after all Fuzz', right?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#150 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I guess everyone who said it was torture is going to be posting a retraction and saying something like, 'Looks like you were right after all Fuzz', right?



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