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elk hunter Offline
#51 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 3:15 PM EST
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So... What is someone who is not attracted to either sex?

I have chosen not to do drugs or drink in excess ... Drug addiction/alcohol addiction runs very strong in my family and in society... Am I a drug addict or not?

You are wrong Fuzz...
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#52 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 3:42 PM EST
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fuzz and elk hunter are having a p i s s i n g contest.

elk hunter

"My whole argument is that, there should not be any special treatment or promotion BECAUSE
someone is gay OR straight.... "

i completely agree, but i will add nor should they be denied any rights that the rest of us have."

if you agrree completely with that, it is not necessary to discuss why someone is gay. whether by
genetics or choice, you have accepted their rights under the constitution. that is a responsible
response.
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#53 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 3:42 PM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
So... What is someone who is not attracted to either sex?

I have chosen not to do drugs or drink in excess ... Drug addiction/alcohol addiction runs very strong in my family and in society... Am I a drug addict or not?

You are wrong Fuzz...


Probably a-sexual.

Drug addiction is equal to sexual attraction how? Are you saying you think you are genetically predisposed to drug addiction? Have you found that you carry a drug-addiction gene that you are fending off?

I know of people who tried to be heterosexual for a long, long time because of their religious upbringing. They were choosing not to be gay by forcing themselves to be with people they were not attracted to. Thankfully most of them are now honest with themselves and are much happier.

Are you saying that you, if you wanted to, could force yourself to live as a gay man and have physical relationships with men should you choose to?

I'm saying I could not. It would just not be who I am as I have no choice as to what gender I am attracted to. Just as a homosexual person would find it almost impossible to do the same thing. With societal pressures there are those that continue to pretend, I'm sure, I know a few. They are either gay and in denial, or a-sexual.
elk hunter Offline
#54 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 4:03 PM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
fuzz and elk hunter are having a p i s s i n g contest.

elk hunter

"My whole argument is that, there should not be any special treatment or promotion BECAUSE
someone is gay OR straight.... "

i completely agree, but i will add nor should they be denied any rights that the rest of us have."

if you agrree completely with that, it is not necessary to discuss why someone is gay. whether by
genetics or choice, you have accepted their rights under the constitution. that is a responsible
response.


Rick, I agree with that completely!!!
elk hunter Offline
#55 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 4:08 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:


Drug addiction is equal to sexual attraction how? Are you saying you think you are genetically predisposed to drug addiction? Have you found that you carry a drug-addiction gene that you are fending off?



That is what your theory about a homosexual gene is right?

They have not found the homosexual gene right?

You are acting on beliefs Fuzz... Just admit it...

Oh and Rick, Fuzz and I are discussing... Neither are calling names or berating each other... Thank you BTW Fuzz!!!
Nicar Offline
#56 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 4:13 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Probably a-sexual.

Drug addiction is equal to sexual attraction how? Are you saying you think you are genetically predisposed to drug addiction? Have you found that you carry a drug-addiction gene that you are fending off?

I know of people who tried to be heterosexual for a long, long time because of their religious upbringing. They were choosing not to be gay by forcing themselves to be with people they were not attracted to. Thankfully most of them are now honest with themselves and are much happier.

Are you saying that you, if you wanted to, could force yourself to live as a gay man and have physical relationships with men should you choose to?

I'm saying I could not. It would just not be who I am as I have no choice as to what gender I am attracted to. Just as a homosexual person would find it almost impossible to do the same thing. With societal pressures there are those that continue to pretend, I'm sure, I know a few. They are either gay and in denial, or a-sexual.



Ok, I should really stop reading this, but you like to deduce someone's opinion on things by a statement and not have the same reasoning apply to you.

Are you genetically attracted to blondes or redheads.. or brunettes... or short people.. or tall people.. or fat.. or skinny people? No! It is a preference on what you "like" what you choose to like.

One you find the genetic gene that shows if you're gay or straight and have no control over... find me the gene that tells people that they like overweight deformed people, rather than supermodels....
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#57 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 4:23 PM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
That is what your theory about a homosexual gene is right?

They have not found the homosexual gene right?

You are acting on beliefs Fuzz... Just admit it...

Oh and Rick, Fuzz and I are discussing... Neither are calling names or berating each other... Thank you BTW Fuzz!!!


I don't call people names or berate them provided they don't, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

I have never said anything about a gene, that was your thing. I don't know what it is to be honest. Could be brain chemistry, genetics, or more. My guess is it's a combination of factors.

I do know that I did not choose to be straight. There was never a time when I had to stop, think and actually make a decision as who I wanted to be attracted to.

Again, are you saying that you, if you wanted to, could force yourself to live as a gay man and have physical relationships with men should you choose to? Because if it is an actual choice for you, the answer would have to be yes.
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#58 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 4:25 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
Ok, I should really stop reading this, but you like to deduce someone's opinion on things by a statement and not have the same reasoning apply to you.

Are you genetically attracted to blondes or redheads.. or brunettes... or short people.. or tall people.. or fat.. or skinny people? No! It is a preference on what you "like" what you choose to like.

One you find the genetic gene that shows if you're gay or straight and have no control over... find me the gene that tells people that they like overweight deformed people, rather than supermodels....




Again, I never said gene. That's Elk's idea of what being born gay or straight has to be attributed to.
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#59 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 4:28 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Again, I never said gene. That's Elk's idea of what being born gay or straight has to be attributed to.


Right, just ready above....

What it is.. is preference.. what one prefers.. what stimulates the senses.. It is my belief that you made a choice, and your choice was, the features of a woman stimulated your senses. You may not have consciously made the choice since you just felt it and never thought about it. Could you prefer someone of the same sex if you wanted to, of course, you would find them to stimulate some of the same senses.
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#60 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 5:05 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
Right, just ready above....

What it is.. is preference.. what one prefers.. what stimulates the senses.. It is my belief that you made a choice, and your choice was, the features of a woman stimulated your senses. You may not have consciously made the choice since you just felt it and never thought about it. Could you prefer someone of the same sex if you wanted to, of course, you would find them to stimulate some of the same senses.



How can one make a choice unconciously by just feeling it? That's not a choice, I didn't look at a girl and say Wow, I want that, but maybe that dude over there is just as nice. That's me, perhaps you had a different experience.

Could I physically force myself to have a physical relationship with a man? I suppose if I had to I could force myself, but that wouldn't be a choice I would make willingly. Would you willingly make that choice? I can see no circumstance where I would willingly proceed nor be forced to have a homosexual relationship, as a true choice would have to be. It's not who I am.

And it is right, I never said gene.
Nicar Offline
#61 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 5:22 PM EST
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Fuzz... Did you know see the part of stimulating some of your senses? If you are in the field of psychology shouldn't this be something that is in it?

Why do you like certain foods more than others.. certain cigars more than others? Yes, I will use some the logic/rationale that you probably do not like. You look at 2 humans... human A and human B, you examine their hair and shoulders, and eyes, and everything else... figure and such. When the humans speak, you pick up different tones and pitches and some are more pleasing to the sense then the other. Along with the physical features. Then you decide you are physically attracted to human A that represents the female species... and you do not find human B, a male, physically appealing.

You may not stop, and say to yourself, do I want to have an intimate relationship with human B....however.. you have the preference towards the female...

Could you have things that happen, and experiences that tend to change your stimulations when looking at either human A or human B where you may prefer the male... yes, things could happen and change. I use to not like asparagus when I was little... but now I love some grilled asparagus....I am not saying my preference in sexual orientation will change.. but it is a preference.
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#62 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 5:26 PM EST
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You know Fuzz, not all gay relationships are physical... THAT is a stereotype...

Why are you injecting your opinion if you really have no idea what you are talking about?
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#63 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 5:33 PM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
That is what your theory about a homosexual gene is right?

They have not found the homosexual gene right?

You are acting on beliefs Fuzz... Just admit it...

Oh and Rick, Fuzz and I are discussing... Neither are calling names or berating each other... Thank you BTW Fuzz!!!



I bet there's a ton of queers named Gene
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#64 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 6:12 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
Fuzz... Did you know see the part of stimulating some of your senses? If you are in the field of psychology shouldn't this be something that is in it?

Why do you like certain foods more than others.. certain cigars more than others? Yes, I will use some the logic/rationale that you probably do not like. You look at 2 humans... human A and human B, you examine their hair and shoulders, and eyes, and everything else... figure and such. When the humans speak, you pick up different tones and pitches and some are more pleasing to the sense then the other. Along with the physical features. Then you decide you are physically attracted to human A that represents the female species... and you do not find human B, a male, physically appealing.

You may not stop, and say to yourself, do I want to have an intimate relationship with human B....however.. you have the preference towards the female...

Could you have things that happen, and experiences that tend to change your stimulations when looking at either human A or human B where you may prefer the male... yes, things could happen and change. I use to not like asparagus when I was little... but now I love some grilled asparagus....I am not saying my preference in sexual orientation will change.. but it is a preference.


I wouldn't compare food with human sexuality, too many variables that don't correlate.

As far as sexuality goes, there is a theory out there that everyone falls on a scale, I think they had it at 1-10. 1 being totally straight and 10 being totally homosexual, 5 being attracted to either male or female equally. Most people fall between 1-4 when self-identifying.

Where one falls on that scale could change, I don't see a problem with that at all. I'm just saying it's not a conciouse choice one would make like ok, I think it would be good to have balls across my nose today, I'm not attracted to the balls, I would prefer a female, but why the hell not, I'm bored and a good tonsil tickle is just what the doctor ordered.

If one was a 4-6 on the scale, perhaps, they identify as being attracted to or they prefer either.

And asparagus is gay, it's shaped like a d*ck. (I love asparagus, my favorite veggie)
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#65 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 6:16 PM EST
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I had said before that you may not consciously make the choice, but you do choose. I also knew you would not see the analogy. And is that scale anything like the lick-o-meter?
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#66 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 6:29 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
I had said before that you may not consciously make the choice, but you do choose. I also knew you would not see the analogy. And is that scale anything like the lick-o-meter?


The analogy? With food? Yes, I don't see it, nor do I accept it as a proper analogy to human sexual behavior.

And again, how does one make a choice unconsciously and if it's unconscious is it really a choice?
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#67 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 6:53 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The analogy? With food? Yes, I don't see it, nor do I accept it as a proper analogy to human sexual behavior.

And again, how does one make a choice unconsciously and if it's unconscious is it really a choice?



Open that mind. Do you consciously tell yourself which foot to put in front of the other? Probably another analogy that you will not accept.

I have stated a couple times that it is things that appeal to senses, that you prefer more than something else, and that is how you are making the choice without stopping to think if you want it or not.

Some is habit forming, some is society programming or environment programming.






"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.... "
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#68 Posted: Tue, May 31 2011, 7:10 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
Open that mind. Do you consciously tell yourself which foot to put in front of the other? Probably another analogy that you will not accept.

I have stated a couple times that it is things that appeal to senses, that you prefer more than something else, and that is how you are making the choice without stopping to think if you want it or not.

Some is habit forming, some is society programming or environment programming.






"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.... "


Freakin' hilarious. I had that Rush quote written in my last post, but erased it.

Conciously tell which foot, like say left, right, now left, etc? No, but I'm also not making a choice either.

So appealing to ones senses is effected by what? A consciouse choice or experience, our makeup, the environment or a combination of all of those things? To me appealing to my senses is the same as attraction to be honest, it's a distintion without a difference.
HockeyDad Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 9:18 AM EST
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Overly Conspicuous Defending of Sexuality Outrage!
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#70 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 9:43 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Freakin' hilarious. I had that Rush quote written in my last post, but erased it.

Conciously tell which foot, like say left, right, now left, etc? No, but I'm also not making a choice either.

So appealing to ones senses is effected by what? A consciouse choice or experience, our makeup, the environment or a combination of all of those things? To me appealing to my senses is the same as attraction to be honest, it's a distintion without a difference.



Just because one isn't consciously saying to themselves.. which one do I choose....does not mean that you may or may not be making a choice.

I would also say that our makeup.. would need to be defined a bit more. Conscious choices, environment.. combination of things leads to our habits, our choices, our inclinations. Do you consciously make a decision to get out of bed every morning? It may be an act that is needed to be done to inable you to do something like shower, or eat, or to go outside to smoke. You are satisfying your senses. To satisfy some of your sexual senses, you find that women do it.. not all, but the ones you find attractive.. Does a really unattractive female give you some same feelings sexually as a male? Repulsive, unwanting or that "icky" feeling? Due to these sensations/feelings, this is why you believe you have not "choosen" to not be gay.. but however, you have choosen to only look to women to fulfill your sexual senses. You have programmed your mind to not even consider a male for it. This is how on can unconsciously make a choice.
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#71 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 9:49 AM EST
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If being gay is genetic as Rick has stated or some combination of genetics and/or chemistry as FuzzNJ has suggested, this opens the door that scientists may one day find a cure.

You're welcome.
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#72 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 10:16 AM EST
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WINNING!!!

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#73 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 10:18 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If being gay is genetic as Rick has stated or some combination of genetics and/or chemistry as FuzzNJ has suggested, this opens the door that scientists may one day find a cure.

You're welcome.



He knows enough about religion, finance, Socratic Method, housekeeping, U2, and sexuality just to be dangerous to himself and to post here so his relatives can laugh AT him not with him.

What kind of a moron would post stuff up for his family to sit around and read...and laugh?

I'm thinking professional student that got trapped behind an apron because somebody is paying the bills.Frying pan
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#74 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 10:25 AM EST
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I got a kick out of all the Socrates references from FuzzNJ this weekend. I saw Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure this weekend as well! The timing was suspicious.
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#75 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 10:30 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
He knows enough about religion, finance, Socratic Method, housekeeping, U2, and sexuality just to be dangerous to himself and to post here so his relatives can laugh AT him not with him.

What kind of a moron would post stuff up for his family to sit around and read...and laugh?

I'm thinking professional student that got trapped behind an apron because somebody is paying the bills.Frying pan



Just as long as there are no food analogys.. because that's like comparing apples and oranges!
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#76 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 11:14 AM EST
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Nicar wrote:
Just because one isn't consciously saying to themselves.. which one do I choose....does not mean that you may or may not be making a choice.

I would also say that our makeup.. would need to be defined a bit more. Conscious choices, environment.. combination of things leads to our habits, our choices, our inclinations. Do you consciously make a decision to get out of bed every morning? It may be an act that is needed to be done to inable you to do something like shower, or eat, or to go outside to smoke. You are satisfying your senses. To satisfy some of your sexual senses, you find that women do it.. not all, but the ones you find attractive.. Does a really unattractive female give you some same feelings sexually as a male? Repulsive, unwanting or that "icky" feeling? Due to these sensations/feelings, this is why you believe you have not "choosen" to not be gay.. but however, you have choosen to only look to women to fulfill your sexual senses. You have programmed your mind to not even consider a male for it. This is how on can unconsciously make a choice.


Choosing is an action, it requires thought by definition. One can't make a choice sub or unconsciously. It's like say your fight or flight response when scared, you just do because one has no time to choose.

I did not program my mind to 'like' women as I had absolutely no concept of what it meant to be attracted, nor did I completely understand what I was experiencing when I first became attracted to females. I still remember my first crush, 4th grade, her name was Veronica a cute French girl in my class. There was nothing sexual about it at first as I didn't even understand what that was at that age. I just was and filled in the rest of the blanks later. And I never had that experience with a male, so there was no chance to make a choice.

I suspect there are many who have had a similar experience to mine. I have a lesbian friend who said that she was attracted to females from the very beginning, as far back as she can remember. She had a similar experience to me, only it was the same gender.
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#77 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 11:19 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If being gay is genetic as Rick has stated or some combination of genetics and/or chemistry as FuzzNJ has suggested, this opens the door that scientists may one day find a cure.

You're welcome.


And if it is just a choice those become straight camps should work like a charm, and people who grew up in very religious homes and still think it is a 'sin' would not ever 'choose' to be gay, yet there are gay people like that. It would be a very difficult choice to make considering the social implications and prejudice you would receive for that choice, and kind of stupid really, if it were just a choice.

And why would you think gayness would need a 'cure' and more than left-handedness?
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#78 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 11:21 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I got a kick out of all the Socrates references from FuzzNJ this weekend. I saw Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure this weekend as well! The timing was suspicious.



heh, sometimes the best way to get someone to think about what they are saying is to ask questions, dude.
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#79 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 11:23 AM EST
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Nicar wrote:
Just as long as there are no food analogys.. because that's like comparing apples and oranges!


Yup, in the case of comparing food to human sexuality, unless of course you are talking about having a cucumber fetish.
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EXCELLENT!
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#81 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 11:38 AM EST
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So now the "fight or flight" response is genetic?
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#82 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 11:55 AM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
So now the "fight or flight" response is genetic?


Again, I never said anything was entirely genetic.

Not genes really it is pre-programed in the nervous system through evolution as it is a trait that allowed us to live longer, it's innate in our autonaumic nervous system, the stuff our bodies do unconciously.

But then, you had to have known that.
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#83 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 1:01 PM EST
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Ram whacks off.... Mellow
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#84 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 1:26 PM EST
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Yes Elk, You are a drug addict....Heh heh heh
ZRX1200 Offline
#85 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 1:46 PM EST
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Is that his bat??
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#86 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 1:50 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:


Not genes really it is pre-programed in the nervous system through evolution as it is a trait that allowed us to live longer, it's innate in our autonaumic nervous system, the stuff our bodies do unconciously.



So that is where "gay" comes from?
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#87 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 1:54 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So that is where the "gay" comes from?


i fixed your error to make it gramtical
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#88 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 1:55 PM EST
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gay-homoism can be drug induced also..... too much methamphetamine can cause methafeelahomo.... it's in all the journals and stuff... Mellow
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#89 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 2:51 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So that is where "gay" comes from?


No, the fight or flight response is an example of something we do that is not conscious, something we don't make a choice of doing, god damn people who pretend they can't follow a damn thread.
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#90 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 2:57 PM EST
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Ram bat envy ^^^^^^^^
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#91 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:03 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
No, the fight or flight response is an example of something we do that is not conscious, something we don't make a choice of doing, god damn people who pretend they can't follow a damn thread.




POST WATCHTOWER TRAUMA OUTRAGE!!!
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#92 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:12 PM EST
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Why is rick bent on destroying the English language?
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#93 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:23 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
POST WATCHTOWER TRAUMA OUTRAGE!!!


Was talking about you too, yup. You think I've read the watchtower or perhaps listened to all along the watchtower too much?
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#94 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:26 PM EST
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JW???
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#95 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:36 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
No, the fight or flight response is an example of something we do that is not conscious, something we don't make a choice of doing, god damn people who pretend they can't follow a damn thread.




So now you believe in God. Isn't that convenient.
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#96 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:38 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So now you believe in God. Isn't that convenient.


lol, you play ignorant well HD.
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#97 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:46 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lol, you play ignorant well HD.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTRgqAvqQwU
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#98 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:53 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTRgqAvqQwU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTHslukHBoU
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#99 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 3:54 PM EST
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elk hunter wrote:
So now the "fight or flight" response is genetic?


I thought it was hormonal or anxiety/stress and some regular functions are followed or the brain, unconsciously makes a choice as to what to do... surely any psychologist or something like that would know this, and be able to expand on it.
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#100 Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011, 4:04 PM EST
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Nicar wrote:
I thought it was hormonal or anxiety/stress and some regular functions are followed or the brain, unconsciously makes a choice as to what to do... surely any psychologist or something like that would know this, and be able to expand on it.


Again, choice is conscious and active and requires thought as the word implies consideration of more than one option. An unconscious action one has no choice, one just does. So I am saying that there is no such thing as an unconscious choice.
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