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I'm not trying to rationalize anything. Just stating facts.

Do your own leg work.

I asked 1st. what's your answer. I'd hate to jump to conclusions about whether your thought process works at all.

Sludge is sludge.

No legwork to be done chief.

Laura Bush never received this sort of awful treatment.

She killed a man a long time ago and once you kill somebody, people give you respect. Perhaps Michelle Obama just needs to kill somebody and then you will all settle down.

Your original comment is low class sludge.

Laura Bush has more street cred than Cheebacca...



Hate on that Al Sharpton.

Yup. I don't think I disputed that.

But I suppose you view my comments as worse than hers?
Or worse than the subtle cry of racism that you're too coward to confirm?

looking for a mate?

Name calling aside - how do you justify that she lives the life and solicits donations from the very element of America that her husband rails against?

I don't. President Obama is doing the same thing and his wife is acting similarly in a support role. If you look at another thread I started titled, "Obama is a Republican in sheeps clothing", you'll see that I'm highlighting the fact that Obama has solicited record campaign contributions from the same wall street influence seekers that he's busy excoriating to his voter base and he's also largely been extending Bush policies through his administration to date.

Make up quotes?

If I were an artist, I'd draw it so you could better understand.
The quotes were used to identify your sentiment. I now understand that you're lost, so I'll be more clear:

When you say (and I DO quote):
"I do think racism is also one contributing factor in the degree of animosity and invective that is directed at Michelle Obama in general. A lot of people would like to dismiss that entirely in justifying their actions/reactions. That would require taking a leap to the conclusion that there is no longer any appreciable degree of racism present in American society..."
It's obvious that you DO blame race (to some degree) for anything negative said towards a black person in America.

To your credit, you then add:
"I have no idea whether that enters consciously or unconsciously into your motivations. I don't know you, so I don't presume that..."

But this caveat rings untrue, since you already floated out the innuendo that somehow race was the motivating factor. The simple act of posing the question exposes this ugly viewpoint.

You then have a moment of clarity, where you finally admit your deepest little secret.
"..but I have no hesitation to say that I think it (RACE) factors into the motivations of some to one degree or another.."

But when you say "motivations of some" what you are clearly implying is those on these boards.

You can laugh all you want, but the truth is that you see race first, and all other reasons as a distant second. That makes you racially motivated.
And that makes you a racist. By the pure definition, as opposed to opinion.

I'm not saying you hate black people.
No sir.
What I'm saying is that you have so little regard for their own ability to stand up for themselves, that YOU have decided to attack all injustices (even if just perceived) FOR them.

This is why I feel sorry for you.

As Tye said to Judge Smails, "Don't sell yourself short. You're a really great slouch", or in this case, artist. And I'd have to say like an El Greco, your paintings are distorted.

You make the assertion, "It's obvious that you DO blame race (to some degree) for anything negative said towards a black person in America". That's not obvious or in any way something that could be construed by a reasonable person from what I actually said. What would actually be correct is that I attribute to some degree SOME of the negative things said about a black person in America to racism. For example, I think OJ Simpson is a murderer and pretty vile. I don't consider vast majority of negative statements about him to have any underlying basis in racism.

You go on to say, "But when you say "motivations of some" what you are clearly implying is those on these boards". That may be what you clearly take away as an implication of my statement, but that's not the case. I'm saying exactly what the words say. Race is a factor in the reactions of some people in society in general and to the extent this board has a spectrum the attitudes found in society general, I'd expect that some on this board make comments that are to some degree motivated by racism. Are you saying that there is no racism at play either in American society or on the cbid message boards at all? Like Lake Woebegone, the cbid message board is some kind of oasis of perfection where all the children are above average.

And then add this nugget, "But this caveat rings untrue, since you already floated out the innuendo that somehow race was the motivating factor. The simple act of posing the question exposes this ugly viewpoint". I posed the question it didn't expose anything. After you replied, I responded with my thoughts on the subject, and cited some non-racial factors that motivated strong negative emotions by some as well as race as one contributing factor in the reactions of some to one degree or another. If you consider that an "ugly viewpoint" then so be it. It's not an ugly viewpoint. It's a reality. It's not "my deepest, darkest little secret". If you don't think it comes into play at all, ever, by anybody, and that cbid is immune to it then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

As to your misguided and incorrect summation:
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"I'm not saying you hate black people.
No sir.
What I'm saying is that you have so little regard for their own ability to stand up for themselves, that YOU have decided to attack all injustices (even if just perceived) FOR them".
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It would be awesome if you could actually read minds as you purport to do. So I've "decided to attack all injustices for them" because I have so little regard for black people? So in your mind responding to one thread on cbid is deciding to "attack all injustices"? By your reasoning, If someone sees an injustice that doesn't affect them, and they don't condone that injustice or they support someone or the group affected by the injustice then they're showing disregard for that person or group? So by that logic a person in Nazi germany hiding Jews from the authorities would be an anti-semite because they would be showing a disregard for their ability to stand up for themselves.

By your logic racism is a positive character building tool.

must be that damn white guilt thing again.....

Would be interesting to see all the black people that frequent this board weigh in on this topic.

I firmly believe they'd see right past the whole color issue that you want to wrap yourself around and get down to the meat of what she is and how she presents herself.

She's a disgrace regardless if she's stripped, purple, polka-dotted or any other spectrum of the rainbow but you won't call her out on her behaviors because you're the same way. You defend this poor choice with your hinted at racism like the guy that yells "FIRE!" in a movie theater is covered by Free Speech. It doesn't work there either!

Now you're on your knees meely-mouthing about how black people feel about her? They hate her too!

She's talked down to us and acted more like Marie Antoinette with her "Let them eat cake" since becoming First Lady. Have you been on a real vacation since Obama has been President? Not that fake ass Disney World crap. I'm talking about an African Safari or staying on Martha's Vineyard renting a house for 50K a week kind of vacation? No, you haven't. While the American people wanted Hope and Change he's busy taking "Date Night" and every other kind of vacation or golf outing. He doesn't care and neither does she. Birds of a feather carpetbagging their way through a failed administration on every level while you want to make it a race issue.


You REALLY are an idiot.

Every time Bush took a vacation, went to Camp David, or played a round of golf it was reported in every news outlet. There were sites that had running totals. Lefty posters here created a new thread every time.

The Obama family has taken waaaaay more vacation time then Bush did. Obama plays waaaay more golf. But you don't see it given the same attention in the media.

Not your line.

Stop pretending you're Brian Doyle-Murray or Harold Ramis. You're not. You're not that good at humor. Matter of fact you're not good at anything!

You do realize that cover was intended to make fun of all the people who are and have been characterizing the first family as terrorist, angry, black, muslims, right? It didn't work all that well because the dolts on the right took it seriously.

um, yes.

lol.



My aren't you jealous of the wife of the most powerful man on the planet. Go get a job and become really successful and you too can live well.

Yeah...real laughfest.

You want to tear down Wall Street from the confines of your sofa but won't recognize that as America is in the midst of a depression the Kenyan King and Co. are busy racking up bills at taxpayer's expense.

Eat your own gruel.

Yawn.
To keep it simple, I'll address your last pathetic attempt to save face.
I say "attack all injustices" as it relates to this thread. I don't suggest that you extend this charity to your everyday life. You don't have the passion for that.

Likewise, my comments are based on this thread. On some other thread I may agree with you and we'll be singing kumbaya and smoking cigars.
But on this thread, where you tried to be subtle about your racist viewpoints, and it back fired, you are officially pwned.
I do feel sorry for you because you did introduce race when it was not even on the radar. It's a cheap street performers trick, a slight of hand so to speak, that the liberal left use all too often.

I say "bravo" when I'm being sarcastic.
What I mean is "pathetic".
And to steal your words: Low Class.
No quotation marks required.