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Poll Question : If found guilty,how would you punish the American?
Choice Votes Statistics
death 6 17 %
life in prison 10 28 %
hand him over to the Afghans 1 2 %
send to Guantanamo for a little R&R therapy 1 2 %
psychiatric help & then discharge 17 48 %
Total 35 100%

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What sentence would you give the Army Sergeant who killed the 16 Afghans?
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bloody spaniard Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:23 AM EST
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I'm curious.
HockeyDad Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:26 AM EST
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Some might say "three weeks vacation".
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:28 AM EST
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did he say he was sorry..?? Huh
HockeyDad Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:34 AM EST
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At least he didn't burn any Korans.
bloody spaniard Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:38 AM EST
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I understand that the Taliban who used to present amputations, beheadings, & executions of men, women, and children as great entertainment at Kandahar Sport Stadium are particularly outraged!
ram27bat
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:41 AM EST
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He needs help and his family needs prayers. Hope his wife can handle things without him having the kid.

Fact is we have guys in theater too much.

This is as much Bush/Chaney/Soetoro fault as his, you can't have guys doing 4 tours and not expect something like this at some point. We have too many soldiers in too many places.


To answer your question dad I think Psychiatric help and he has to serve some time.
HockeyDad Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:43 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I understand that the Taliban who used to present amputations, beheadings, & executions of men, women, and children as great entertainment at Kandahar Sport Stadium are particularly outraged!
ram27bat



They should be. They made money off the admission fees + parking back then.
daveincincy Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:48 AM EST
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Parking for sporting events is always gonna cost an arm and a leg.
jackconrad Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 10:01 AM EST
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What he did ,(If after a fair trial he is found guilty), was unconscionable in that it reversed the work done by thousands of US soldiers before him. Not only that but innocents like women and children never need to be killed under any circumstances or we are no better than the Terrorist we say we are fighting. We fight to free them not kill them. They are under the influence of hundreds of years of misguidance and the only way to change that is to get them readjusted. Unfortunatley this is a matter of Generations and not years but is the only solution the will allow us to someday live peacefully with them..

The Muslim Religion is prehistoric in it's values of hatred and World Domination for Allah and unless we convert these people over time all out Worldwide Kaos is inevitable leading to War and Death on all the Continents which is beyond the Specter of anything we have ever seen .

We have made many mistakes and need to Let Simple Economics become the Soldiers for us. Meanwhile China and Russia are letting us waste our money and manpower so that we become weak and lose our place at the front of the World Power Line.
Now our Own Government in it's Naievete' is playing right into their hands.

We need stand up Leadership.

We need it now.

The Power is in our People.. Not in This Limp R$#$%#%# Excuse of a Government !
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 10:16 AM EST
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This is "Work Place Violence".

Just like in the Ft. Hood shooting case!

That's the way THEY wanted it classified!
tweoijfoi Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 10:24 AM EST
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What jackconrad said.

These were not terrorists he killed. These were innocent men, women, and children.

This is the type of thing that causes more terrorism. He has cost not only Afghani lives, but American lives as we see the reprocussions of this. I will not be happy if I see him get off with a smack on the wrist (dishonorable discharge).
raymallen Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 10:26 AM EST
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jackconrad wrote:
What he did ,(If after a fair trial he is found guilty), was unconscionable in that it reversed the work done by thousands of US soldiers before him. Not only that but innocents like women and children never need to be killed under any circumstances or we are no better than the Terrorist we say we are fighting. We fight to free them not kill them. They are under the influence of hundreds of years of misguidance and the only way to change that is to get them readjusted. Unfortunatley this is a matter of Generations and not years but is the only solution the will allow us to someday live peacefully with them..

The Muslim Religion is prehistoric in it's values of hatred and World Domination for Allah and unless we convert these people over time all out Worldwide Kaos is inevitable leading to War and Death on all the Continents which is beyond the Specter of anything we have ever seen .

We have made many mistakes and need to Let Simple Economics become the Soldiers for us. Meanwhile China and Russia are letting us waste our money and manpower so that we become weak and lose our place at the front of the World Power Line.
Now our Own Government in it's Naievete' is playing right into their hands.

We need stand up Leadership.

We need it now.

The Power is in our People.. Not in This Limp R$#$%#%# Excuse of a Government !


Agreed. But I think there is something to be said about the mental state of a man who has been at war. I've know a few soldiers who have came back from doing several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and were pretty messed up in the head. I always wanted to be a soldier growing up until I realized how politics work, now I feel like these guys have been betrayed by their own country.
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 10:46 AM EST
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I agree with those who see him as a victim-- probably had his hands tied by politicians as he saw his friends die needlessly for a cause that has now run it's course. The sad fact is that many Afghanis were greatly profiting by our military presence but we shouldn't be there rebuilding and dying.

Compensate the victim's families (our usual m.o.) & get the hell out.
JadeRose Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 11:00 AM EST
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jackconrad wrote:
What he did ,(If after a fair trial he is found guilty), was unconscionable in that it reversed the work done by thousands of US soldiers before him. Not only that but innocents like women and children never need to be killed under any circumstances or we are no better than the Terrorist we say we are fighting. We fight to free them not kill them. They are under the influence of hundreds of years of misguidance and the only way to change that is to get them readjusted. Unfortunatley this is a matter of Generations and not years but is the only solution the will allow us to someday live peacefully with them..

The Muslim Religion is prehistoric in it's values of hatred and World Domination for Allah and unless we convert these people over time all out Worldwide Kaos is inevitable leading to War and Death on all the Continents which is beyond the Specter of anything we have ever seen .

We have made many mistakes and need to Let Simple Economics become the Soldiers for us. Meanwhile China and Russia are letting us waste our money and manpower so that we become weak and lose our place at the front of the World Power Line.
Now our Own Government in it's Naievete' is playing right into their hands.

We need stand up Leadership.

We need it now.

The Power is in our People.. Not in This Limp R$#$%#%# Excuse of a Government !



Holy shit.......good post Jack.

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause
rfenst Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 11:07 AM EST
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jackconrad wrote:
What he did ,(If after a fair trial he is found guilty), was unconscionable in that it reversed the work done by thousands of US soldiers before him. Not only that but innocents like women and children never need to be killed under any circumstances or we are no better than the Terrorist we say we are fighting. We fight to free them not kill them. They are under the influence of hundreds of years of misguidance and the only way to change that is to get them readjusted. ...


I agree with the above.

How about bring the troops home in time to help re-election? That will have to be coo-ordinated with the pipeline approval for potential maximum benefit...Sarcasm

Afghanistan was a lost cause before we went there. Our intelligence has been faulty. Our soldiers and military are not given the support we need to win and get out. Either bomb the place to oblivion or get out now. Pakistan can then become the new "big problem".

The guy may be under extreme battle stress, and if so may not have been competent (insanity defense- if allowed). But, if he knew what he was doing was wrong, then he should be severely punished. Whether he volunteered to go or could or stay when not required will go against him. If he knew what he was doing was wrong, he should receive the harshest penalty possible for the circumstances. Certainly i have sympathy for his family, but I don't think that will be relevant as to punishment. If he was incompetent but now isn't, a major issue will be safety of others and likelihood of repetition of wrongdoing to others.

Everyone loses.
rfenst Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 11:11 AM EST
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Sick
JadeRose wrote:
Holy shit.......good post Jack.

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause



LMAO!
bloody spaniard Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 11:16 AM EST
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You know, Jack, the sad part is that these same folks, who are upset by this serviceman and by the Koran burnings, set girls on fire or throw acid in their faces if they want to attend school.

I agree with you as well, Jamie.
lgops Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 11:22 AM EST
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He deserves his place in heaven, with 70 virgins, right beside all the suicide bombers. . . .
































Sarcasm
FuzzNJ Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 1:42 PM EST
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PTSD could be a reason, it's not an excuse for mass murder, regardless of where in the world it is, unless it's determined that he is clinically insane. This was obviously well planned out and premeditated.
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 4:34 PM EST
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He is no victim. You could argue anyone who kills another is insane. Try him under military law and punish accordingly if found guilty. I'm an anti death penalty guy so not out for blood. Fair trial and whatever is the appropriate penalty under our law (death/life sentance...whatever).

If we find out it wasn't him but really it was a black or brown dude trying to score some weed or an inadvertant driveby so be it (insert sarcasm sigh here at a later date)
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 4:47 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
You know, Jack, the sad part is that these same folks, who are upset by this serviceman and by the Koran burnings, set girls on fire or throw acid in their faces if they want to attend school.


Are you suggesting they aren't entitled to uphold a double standard?
rfenst Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 4:52 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
PTSD could be a reason, it's not an excuse for mass murder, regardless of where in the world it is, unless it's determined that he is clinically insane. This was obviously well planned out and premeditated.


well planned out and premeditated does not necessarily negate an insanity defense. Planning and premeditation do not necessarily prove mental competence at the time of the bad act. Also, he could now be incompetent to aid in his defense or appreciate what will be going on. That precludes a trial until he is competent, if ever.
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 4:52 PM EST
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another groups actions does not justify his. I think I'd be in troube if I beheaded a muslim and tried to claim it was ok because they did it to Daniel Pearl
rfenst Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 4:53 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
PTSD could be a reason, it's not an excuse for mass murder, regardless of where in the world it is, unless it's determined that he is clinically insane. This was obviously well planned out and premeditated.


well planned out and premeditated does not necessarily negate an insanity defense. Planning and premeditation do not necessarily prove mental competence at the time of the bad act. Also, he could now be incompetent to aid in his defense or appreciate what will be going on. That precludes a trial until he is competent, if ever.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 4:53 PM EST
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I heard they were talking about his mama..... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 5:00 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
another groups actions does not justify his. I think I'd be in troube if I beheaded a muslim and tried to claim it was ok because they did it to Daniel Pearl




No, but he may have been broken by the stress of being shot at constantly in a hostile land that he is trying to "protect".
I think that a temporary insanity plea & some hospitalization is in order. Whatever happens after that should be up the doctors.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 5:10 PM EST
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Looks like there might be more than just ONE shooter!

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/03/ap-soldier-seen-surrendering-in-video-031412/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
sd72 Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 5:57 PM EST
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Give the medal of valor or the congressional medal of honor.
One guy treats them the way they they treat us, and it's outrage. Bull****.
We should have taken Iraq and kept it.
Rig their kids with bombs and send them back home for dinner.
wheelrite Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 6:08 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
Give the medal of valor or the congressional medal of honor.
One guy treats them the way they they treat us, and it's outrage. Bull****.
We should have taken Iraq and kept it.
Rig their kids with bombs and send them back home for dinner.


You're a moron,,,

My son serves proudly in the Military. This guy has disgraced himself and all that wear or have worn the Uniform,,

wheel,
sd72 Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 6:29 PM EST
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We're not at war. You can't shoot at anyone unless you get shot at and don't die. They don't wear uniforms.
Go there and keep your head on straight.
Moron.
wheelrite Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 6:47 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
We're not at war. You can't shoot at anyone unless you get shot at and don't die. They don't wear uniforms.
Go there and keep your head on straight.
Moron.


These were mostly women and children that were murdered...

There is no rationalization for this act...

So,
Blather on,,,
sd72 Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 8:51 PM EST
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I know your right wheel, but when do we stop being the moral police of the world? Who doesn't want us there, by the way.
The cost to us is the lives and stability of two generations of soldiers. We've had an army over there since 1989. What has been done?
They torture, behead, mutilate, and kill our captured soldiers.
We clean out a base and burn the garbage, and back to fighting we go. Kill any American that you can. We are supposed to be stopping a minority of extremists, 22 years worth of a minority?
Now we'll demonize this guy for reaching the breaking point, how many of his buddy's are dead from trying to save these people from.....?
He'll probably die in prison, rightfully so, but why is he or any other American even there?

I spouted off and I'm wrong about my first post, but I've lost three friends there, and I can't even tell you why they were there.

No more politics.

Steve
wheelrite Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 8:57 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
I know your right wheel, but when do we stop being the moral police of the world? Who doesn't want us there, by the way.
The cost to us is the lives and stability of two generations of soldiers. We've had an army over there since 1989. What has been done?
They torture, behead, mutilate, and kill our captured soldiers.
We clean out a base and burn the garbage, and back to fighting we go. Kill any American that you can. We are supposed to be stopping a minority of extremists, 22 years worth of a minority?
Now we'll demonize this guy for reaching the breaking point, how many of his buddy's are dead from trying to save these people from.....?
He'll probably die in prison, rightfully so, but why is he or any other American even there?

I spouted off and I'm wrong about my first post, but I've lost three friends there, and I can't even tell you why they were there.

No more politics.

Steve


Here's the problem,.,
Until recently wars were fought to win, quickly and totally. Without a total victory the reason for entering the war can never be achieved.
To Victor goes the spoils..
However,
This soldier was not a grunt, He was 38 yrs old and knew better. There really is no way to spin this this in a positive light.

That being said,
I tip my hat to you for your consideration and reflection.Applause


wheel,
engletl Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:31 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard they were talking about his mama..... Mellow


I heard he was banned from CBid d'oh!
engletl Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:34 PM EST
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On the OG post...

my feelings are this
Either Kill 'em All or bring EVERY last one of our Guys & Gals home from around the world
hombre Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:40 PM EST
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You want to either kill all our troops or bring them home? I guess I vote for bring them home. That's just ruthless from the general.
engletl Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:56 PM EST
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hombre wrote:
You want to either kill all our troops or bring them home? I guess I vote for bring them home. That's just ruthless from the general.

UGH!!!

Kill 'em All refers to the "enemy"....not our Troops d'oh!
hombre Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 9:58 PM EST
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LOL. I know. No sarcasm alert smiley when posting on phone...
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 10:19 PM EST
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Gunny would call him a mamby pamby and throw a box of Kleenex at him. Dr my ass. If guilty he slaughtered children. Yet the cop who double tapped the kid around Chicago should be punished severely?
ZRX1200 Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 10:41 PM EST
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Chicago yes.

Detroit no.
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Mar 14 2012, 11:01 PM EST
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Lol. I do agree both deserve a fair investigation and trial if appropriate.
Humastronaut Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 12:39 AM EST
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If we are even getting the real story from our shady government.
harleyd31 Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 6:28 AM EST
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Just my humble opinion.... While there he has to be held accountable for his actions this should also be a wake up call for our leaders and country to re evaluate what we are trying to do. What are the goals and at what costs? I am not anti-war at all but in talking to my friends and family and listening to our leaders it is hard to find a clear goal. -Paul
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#44 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 11:17 AM EST
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blood

perhaps tghe same punishment they gave the gunners in the helicopter that killed the civilians and a few members
of the press that killed as many afgans. film from wiiki leaks
bloody spaniard Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 11:59 AM EST
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Karzai bravely stood up to the Great Satan for the Taliban to see & demanded the US troops get out... er, but leave the chests of bribe money... Europe here he comes!!! Woot
riverdog Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 12:09 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:

That being said,
I tip my hat to you for your consideration and reflection.Applause


wheel,


Good on ya both.Applause
dstieger Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 12:16 PM EST
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What sentence would you give the Army Sergeant who killed the 16 Afghans?

One written by our own dear old Uncle Rick.
gringococolo Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 12:23 PM EST
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tweoijfoi wrote:

This is the type of thing that causes more terrorism. He has cost not only Afghani lives, but American lives as we see the reprocussions of this. I will not be happy if I see him get off with a smack on the wrist (dishonorable discharge).



Two ignorant replies:

1) This does not cause terrorism. It may cause retaliation, but not terrorism.

2) There is no such thing as a "slap on the wrist" with a dishororable discharge. A DD is a punitive discharge only, the punishments are commensurate with civillian convictions for rape, murder, etc..



I hope he gets a fair trial and maximum punishment as a courts martial directs. Could be the death penalty.
riverdog Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 12:26 PM EST
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gringococolo wrote:
I hope he gets a fair trial and maximum punishment as a courts martial directs. Could be the death penalty.



Giddy up!!! The most (only?) appropriate answer...
rfenst Offline
#50 Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2012, 2:08 PM EST
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Humastronaut wrote:
If we are even getting the real story from our shady government.


What does al jazeera report?
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