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Poll Question : If found guilty,how would you punish the American?
Choice Votes Statistics
death 6 17 %
life in prison 10 28 %
hand him over to the Afghans 1 2 %
send to Guantanamo for a little R&R therapy 1 2 %
psychiatric help & then discharge 17 48 %
Total 35 100%

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What sentence would you give the Army Sergeant who killed the 16 Afghans?
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tailgater Offline
#101 Posted: Fri, Mar 16 2012, 2:42 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
He needs help and his family needs prayers. Hope his wife can handle things without him having the kid.

Fact is we have guys in theater too much.

This is as much Bush/Chaney/Soetoro fault as his, you can't have guys doing 4 tours and not expect something like this at some point. We have too many soldiers in too many places.


To answer your question dad I think Psychiatric help and he has to serve some time.



I agree that he needs help, but whether you view him as a victim or not doesn't change the fact that HE did the crime and deserves to serve the time.

Blaming Bush/Cheney, et al does nothing other than provide a bleeding heart because he is a soldier.
Too many tours of duty?
A war that can't be won because of our political restrictions?
All true.
But HE did it. And HE needs to pay.

Like the crazy postal worker who shoots up his work place. We can't blame the hard work and difficult living conditions.

It's sad.
And you can make the case that this military presence should be ended.
But you can't place BLAME where it doesn't belong.

Americans need to gravitate AWAY from this president, and show that we believe in personal responsibility. Blaming your surrounding conditions as the reason you shot innocent women and children??
That's misdirected anger.
bloody spaniard Offline
#102 Posted: Fri, Mar 16 2012, 3:01 PM EST
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He'll have to answer to God some day but don't be so quick to judge especially if you're 9,000 miles away in a recliner.
When one's job is killing, it's not quite as easy turning it off as flicking a switch & saying goodnight to the night mail sorting crew as one heads out for a beer and some cable.

In the meantime, considering what he's been through (& his normal bio), I'd go with leniency this time.
Best we get the troops home quickly. That is a savage, ungrateful land that can only be governed by Taliban.
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted: Fri, Mar 16 2012, 5:42 PM EST
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christ I agree with TG. ****
bloody spaniard Offline
#104 Posted: Fri, Mar 16 2012, 5:50 PM EST
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See? I bring people together.
teedubbya Offline
#105 Posted: Sat, Mar 17 2012, 11:40 AM EST
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The dude is now about 15 miles from me. I'll actually be on base later today. Maybe I should ask him what'sup?

I tried to get dog grooming advice from mike Vick when he was here but he was in the big building off base.
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#106 Posted: Sat, Mar 17 2012, 12:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
christ I agree with TG. ****


Evan a stopped clock is right twice a day...
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted: Sat, Mar 17 2012, 1:42 PM EST
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Don't be so hard on yourself.
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#108 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2012, 11:01 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Don't be so hard on yourself.


he he.
TW said hard on.
bloody spaniard Offline
#109 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2012, 7:28 PM EST
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I'm sure it's not the first time nor last that a "hard on" has come out of TW's mouth. Whistle
teedubbya Offline
#110 Posted: Sun, Mar 18 2012, 9:48 PM EST
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Better out than in I say
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#111 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 12:28 AM EST
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I'd say he should be sentenced to 4 more years with Obama as President but that would be cruel & unusual punishment

I was thinking more along the line of 20 hours of community service working with Babu or Omar at the local 7/11 ......
rfenst Offline
#112 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 3:15 AM EST
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DADDYO49 wrote:
I'd say he should be sentenced to 4 more years with Obama as President but that would be cruel & unusual punishment

I was thinking more along the line of 20 hours of community service working with Babu or Omar at the local 7/11 ......


His actions are no different than those of an Afghan homicide terrorist. Indict his @ss and send him to trial. Nothing excuses his conduct. I haven't heard a single factor that justifies or mitigates what he did. This wasn't the first time he stepped out of line. If he gets even a partial pass, it won't be the last. Life is rough. hundreds of thousands of U.S. soldiers' lives are filled with crisis. That doesn't give a single one of them to slaughter innocents without reason.
bloody spaniard Offline
#113 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 8:55 AM EST
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This is why it takes a special individual to put on this nation's uniform & subject himself to certain "patriot's" armchair outrage.

It doesn't matter that this once exemplary soldier suffered a breakdown after seeing his comrade-at-arms around him mutilated and killed by a savage populace that he has come to protect from themselves. It doesn't matter that our poor soldiers are surrounded by an ungrateful people who are bred to hate the "infidel" & want them dead, who plot for their kidnapping & hideous torture-murder at every turn, and who find the burning of a book reason to carve them up slowly.

No, of course not. Our Saturday morning, Washington Post -reading, armchair quarterbacking, George Costanzas (trying so hard to be liked) who want to hold up these poor men and women to a higher standard for the world to see how egalitarian and wonderful we are- how much better than they are we happen to be (I call it the Republican party self-immolation handbook) don't get it.

Leave it to God and the medical community to determine this man's guilt. Not you. Don't be traitorous. Support our military people & give them the benefit of the doubt no matter what. Don't think that the world will applaud your effort to undermine your country. They will still hate you and consider you enemy.

Sorry for the rant. I feel sorry for the now 17 Afghan victims but I wouldn't want my son to don the uniform under these circumstances for a detached, pampered citizen gentry that is just waiting for him to screw up so they can pounce on him and comfort the enemy.

ram27bat
DrafterX Offline
#114 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 9:01 AM EST
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suppose this happned in Germany or Japan... how would you feel then..??
bloody spaniard Offline
#115 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 9:05 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
suppose this happned in Germany or Japan... how would you feel then..??



Are you a self-hater too? Comparing Americans to Nazis, Nipponese imperialists, and communists misses my point again.
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#116 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 9:23 AM EST
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ok, let me rephrase the question..

Suppose one of our Military men wandered off base in Japan or Germany and shot up a bunch of the locals there.?? not 60 years ago but last week...
bloody spaniard Offline
#117 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 12:03 PM EST
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I see where you're going with this... No, German & Japanese victims wouldn't do.
Of course I would only prosecute (good PR move for Obama) & execute the soldier if he did that at the Vatican.
Everyone knows Catholic lives trump those of muslims.Shame on you
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#118 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 12:11 PM EST
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Mellow

not going anywhere.. just threw out a what if.. If this guy had walked into a Teliban camp or even a suspected Taliban safe-house and opened fire I might defend him... but taking out 17 people including women and children is a littel different I think.. I don't buy 'It's the Gubments fault' here...
bloody spaniard Offline
#119 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 12:25 PM EST
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Nobody's saying it's the Government's fault. Ultimately, it's his. Just weighing in on his judgement. Doesn't matter what he did to whom, I leave it to the medical authorities and God to sort out- not a lynch mob watching it on a circus media 9,000 miles away.

I'll ALWAYS stand by our military and give them the benefit of the doubt.
If he's determined to have a mental illness, treat him, cure him and eventually release him if possible. There's no evidence that he is a repeat mass murderer who needs to be executed for the sake of mankind & to salve the guilt of self-haters. Sorry, but I unabashedly disagree with you on this one.

Unbeknownst to some, Americans (and Western man in general) are their own worst enemy sometimes.

Pray for this man's soul that he be forgiven for what he did to his alleged victims.
herfidore Offline
#120 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 12:25 PM EST
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I find it interesting that some of the people defending the soldier on grounds of "stress" or "mental disorder" are the ones that espouse "personal responsibility" the most, and generally refuse to acknowledge that drugs and alcohol might be a disease, that mental disorders might actually play a part in someones lot in life, etc etc...

Selective application of empathy. Get ya some!!!
bloody spaniard Offline
#121 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 12:34 PM EST
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Hi, Herf.

Btw, I look upon drugs and alcohol dependence as an addiction probably facilitated/affected by genetics which affect brain functions which in turn affect behavior.
There may have been a temporary brain imbalance in regards to the perpetrator, but what I'm saying is let the experts judge & treat. Not the sanctimonious do gooders who want blood...
herfidore Offline
#122 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 12:52 PM EST
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Hi Bloody,
Hope things are going well with you and yours.
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#123 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 1:18 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Nobody's saying it's the Government's fault. Ultimately, it's his.


Ummmm.

bloody spaniard wrote:
I agree with those who see him as a victim-- probably had his hands tied by politicians as he saw his friends die needlessly for a cause that has now run it's course.
bloody spaniard Offline
#124 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 1:35 PM EST
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^ He's both victim of bad Government policy & ultimately the perpetrator- no one did it for him- although it could be argued that he was pushed (to insanity?)... So, it's arguably both. There's no black nor white here.



Aside from posting on here, Herf, working HARD... LOL It's also grass mowing season. Thanks for askin'. Hope you are ok as well, bro.
Glad you survived master TW.
teedubbya Offline
#125 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 2:25 PM EST
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what if another country's soldier snapped (for any reason) while he was on a joint mission on US soil and he went to a suburb of Boston, pulled women and children out of their homes and killed them?

better yet what if the other country's soldier was a muslim from a muslim country and he was tired of seeing all of our "atrocities" (In quotes because it is BS but I also suspect this soldier saw all the "atrocities" the other guys did.
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#126 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 2:27 PM EST
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Think Think Boston ehh..... Think
bloody spaniard Offline
#127 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 2:39 PM EST
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Wow- talk about pulling the proverbial hypothetical rabbit out of your ass. (see blue)

teedubbya wrote:
what if another country's soldier snapped (for any reason) while he was on a joint mission on US soil and he went to a suburb of Boston, pulled women and children out of their homes and killed them?

Since the only way that I can see this happening is if we handed over our sovereignty to another nation (plausible under Obama), I would say that country's laws would take precedent.

better yet what if the other country's soldier was a muslim from a muslim country and he was tired of seeing all of our "atrocities" (In quotes because it is BS but I also suspect this soldier saw all the "atrocities" the other guys did.


What the heck are you talking 'bout? THAT happens all of the time. Our "allies" are forever taking out our boys.
But what if the American soldier stubbed his toe on a muslim curb on the way to the mess hall & then had the SOS served to him by a muslim perp which then repeated on him an hour later causing him to break wind & kill a roomfull of Afghan Jehovah's Witnesses? Well ok, I guess, uhm...
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 3:10 PM EST
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"Since the only way that I can see this happening is if we handed over our sovereignty to another nation (plausible under Obama), I would say that country's laws would take precedent" - nonsense.

I think you miss the point a bit especially in regards to some of the international legal nonsense that is going on (that we will not agree to out of fear for legal retribution on our troops or political leaders by the world court....as an aside I agree with our position). It is also messy when you start talking immunity (diplomatic or through agreements for military folk as in this case)

its hard to turn the filter and look through the other lense. either way there should be justice. ours is imperfect but better than anything else in the world. therefor I'm good with the dude being subject to the full force of our laws (military or otherwise) and would be uncomfortable with him being subject to their law (because I don't trust it). But I can also understand if their public and officials view it quite differently. I would in thier shoes.

your view is biased. mine is too. its ok to be biased because we are better than them :) but its still biased.
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#129 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 3:22 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ He's both victim of bad Government policy & ultimately the perpetrator- no one did it for him- although it could be argued that he was pushed (to insanity?)... So, it's arguably both. There's no black nor white here.



Aside from posting on here, Herf, working HARD... LOL It's also grass mowing season. Thanks for askin'. Hope you are ok as well, bro.
Glad you survived master TW.



Well I have a very high tolerance for pain. Brick wall Herfing
bloody spaniard Offline
#130 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 3:27 PM EST
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^ LOL! The non-blinking bas tard probably stared you down for the check.



teedubbya wrote:
"Since the only way that I can see this happening is if we handed over our sovereignty to another nation (plausible under Obama), I would say that country's laws would take precedent" - nonsense.

I think you miss the point a bit especially in regards to some of the international legal nonsense that is going on (that we will not agree to out of fear for legal retribution on our troops or political leaders by the world court....as an aside I agree with our position). It is also messy when you start talking immunity (diplomatic or through agreements for military folk as in this case)

its hard to turn the filter and look through the other lense. either way there should be justice. ours is imperfect but better than anything else in the world. therefor I'm good with the dude being subject to the full force of our laws (military or otherwise) and would be uncomfortable with him being subject to their law (because I don't trust it). But I can also understand if their public and officials view it quite differently. I would in thier shoes.

your view is biased. mine is too. its ok to be biased because we are better than them :) but its still biased.



True, TW, but I'm intrigued. You can see a JOINT military mission occurring in the USA??? What? Between Eric Holder (Justice) & Mexico on the border against narcotraficantes? Possible, but the USA would have final jurisdiction.

Anything "joint" near Boston and you can pretty much say that USA sovereignty is gone or at least "temporarily" ceded to the UN or some sort of World Court (trumping the WTO).
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#131 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 3:35 PM EST
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It happens all the time (in the US.... I know of a few going on in Leavenworth right now.... they need not be combat missions but there are joint efforts on our soil) and there are agreements in place that do some wacky things.
teedubbya Offline
#132 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 3:36 PM EST
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herfidore wrote:
Well I have a very high tolerance for pain. Brick wall Herfing



True that. He kept advancing even after I slapped him several times. It is almost like he liked it.
bloody spaniard Offline
#133 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 3:45 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It happens all the time (in the US.... I know of a few going on in Leavenworth right now.... they need not be combat missions but there are joint efforts on our soil) and there are agreements in place that do some wacky things.



Ok, but not military related. You're still freaking me out though. Now shaddup & pass me the joint, Mr. Cryptic Conspiracy Theorist.
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#134 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 3:57 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Now shaddup & pass me the joint, Mr. Cryptic Conspiracy Theorist.


Finally! Something I can rally behind here. ;)
teedubbya Offline
#135 Posted: Fri, Mar 23 2012, 4:43 PM EST
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Soft knocks at the door)
CHONG: Who is it?
CHEECH: It's me, Dave. Open up, man, I got the stuff.
(More knocks)
CHONG: Who is it?
CHEECH: It's me, Dave, man. Open up, I got the stuff.
CHONG: Who?
CHEECH: It's, Dave, man. Open up, I think the cops saw me come in here.
(More knocks)
CHONG: Who is it?
CHEECH: It's, Dave, man. Will you open up, I got the stuff with me.
CHONG: Who?
CHEECH: Dave, man. Open up.
CHONG: Dave?
CHEECH: Yeah, Dave. C'mon, man, open up, I think the cops saw me.
CHONG: Dave's not here.
CHEECH: No, man, I'm Dave, man.
(Sharp knocks at the door)
CHEECH: Hey, c'mon, man.
CHONG: Who is it?
CHEECH: It's Dave, man. Will you open up? I got the stuff with me.
CHONG: Who?
CHEECH: Dave, man. Open up.
CHONG: Dave?
CHEECH: Yeah, Dave.
CHONG: Dave's not here.
CHEECH: What the hell? No, man, I am Dave, man. Will you...
(More knocks)
CHEECH: C'mon! Open up the door, will you? I got the stuff with me, I think the cops saw me.
CHONG: Who is it?
CHEECH: Oh, what the hell is it...c'mon. Open up the door! It's Dave!
CHONG: Who?
CHEECH: Dave! D-A-V-E! Will you open up the goddam door!
CHONG: Dave?
CHEECH: Yeah, Dave!
CHONG: Dave?
CHEECH: Right, man. Dave. Now will you open up the door?
CHONG: Dave's not here
bloody spaniard Offline
#136 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2012, 12:47 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Finally! Something I can rally behind here. ;)



LOL! (good)

TW, you remind me of my sometimes heated discussions with my brother growing up- that's a good thing.Wink
I also remember buying that Cheech & Chong 8track with Sister Mary Elephant, Dave, and the rest of the crew.
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#137 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2012, 1:01 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think Think Boston ehh..... Think


LOL!

Note: it's takes something with substance to make me use text lingo.
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#138 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2012, 1:37 PM EST
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Proponents of the death penalty are now bringing up his bilking some investor out of a million dollars prior to enlisting ages ago while my "side" expounds on the psychotic implications of the flawed malaria vaccine which he was forced to take.

To be continued...
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#139 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 6:26 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Proponents of the death penalty are now bringing up his bilking some investor out of a million dollars prior to enlisting ages ago while my "side" expounds on the psychotic implications of the flawed malaria vaccine which he was forced to take.

To be continued...



I saw that article on Yahoo a couple of days ago. HOW'D that get by the Department of Defense! Jeez...they HATE competition!
bloody spaniard Offline
#140 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 8:54 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I saw that article on Yahoo a couple of days ago. HOW'd that get by the Department of Defense! Jeez...they HATE competition!



So true but their gravy train is coming to an end. They bathed in billions of tax payer dollars for bribes and reconstruction but couldn't afford kevlar vests and disposable towels for the troops...

Interesting how all sorts of ancient dirt on the soldier who went beserk is popping up (shades of Herman Caine). What fascinates me is what kind of scum research crew digs up dirt for a living? Attackers (and allegations) mysteriously disappear as quickly as they appear.
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#141 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 1:25 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Proponents of the death penalty are now bringing up his bilking some investor out of a million dollars prior to enlisting ages ago while my "side" expounds on the psychotic implications of the flawed malaria vaccine which he was forced to take.

To be continued...



Btw, the military is now scrambling to cover up & (temporarily) put that malaria vaccine on hold.
Apparently, it causes psychotic episodes on soldiers especially if they've had head trauma...
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#142 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 1:59 PM EST
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Psyc help, a beer and a cigar...and then a good long sleep. Good for what troubles you.
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#143 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 2:03 PM EST
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I heard the malaria vaccine was made out of hemp.


there is no shot that made this dude slaughter children (albiet muslim children). If some dude killed my little one and tried to blame it on an immunization I would vomit in their face before I beat the life out of them.
bloody spaniard Offline
#144 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 2:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard the malaria vaccine was made out of hemp.

there is no shot that made this dude slaughter children (albiet muslim children). If some dude killed my little one and tried to blame it on an immunization I would vomit in their face before I beat the life out of them.



Your outburst is duly noted. However that's not under debate. It's a matter of how much of an effect the malaria vaccine had especially on a man who had experienced a head injury.
Er, do you have good medical? Sounds like you could use a little anger management today before you shoot up the joint.Drool
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#145 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 2:20 PM EST
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LOL. it's just a silly defense. we all have issues, we don't all slaughter children. I had a bunch of immunizaitons that prolly are not good for me. I've been smacked in the head a lot. I'm effed up but don't have any desire to slaughter children. (no desire to shoot up the joint but sickened by those that do)
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#146 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 2:28 PM EST
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^ as I am sickened as well, brother. Doesn't mean the vaccines don't affect others. I've personally met soldiers that were physically and/or psychiatrically harmed by them. They then inadvertently harm others.

Buckwheat wrote:
Psyc help, a beer and a cigar...and then a good long sleep. Good for what troubles you.



Sounds like sage advice.
...and no anthrax nor malaria vaccines.
teedubbya Offline
#147 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 2:34 PM EST
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Blood you know I buy into the potential for harm on these shots, emphasize potential. But the blame can go a bit far to the point it cheapens the issue. Some folks are just effed up. Some folks were sort of effed up and the shots may have made them worse. Some folks were not effed up and the shots may have done it. It's a legitimate issue.

I just get frustrated when a legitimate issue like that gets watered down when some crazy slaughters kids then tries to glob on to a ready made well intentioned support group.

I'm with ya on the potential harm of many medicaitons and the medical machine protecting itself at the expense of individuals. I'm not with you on this dude. That said, presumed innocent still applies, and the facts will hopefully find their way into the sunlight. But I'm thinking this has nothing to do with malaria,
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#148 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 2:37 PM EST
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What the world needs is a good plague.

Threadjack - TW, what was the name of the book you referenced the other night?
teedubbya Offline
#149 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 2:38 PM EST
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herfidore wrote:
What the world needs is a good plague.



You mean like Perdomo expanding thier line?

In all seriousness I really struggle with public health vs. individual health or the good of the many vs the good of the individual. The folks that don't immunize benefit because so many do. Tough issue for me and as we discussed up north I'm sure my opinion will continue to evolve.
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#150 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2012, 2:39 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
You mean like Perdomo expanding thier line?



HAHA I had totally forgotten about your love of all things Perdomo. Good to stay consistent.
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