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Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman/Sanford, FL...
rfenst Offline
#851 Posted:
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New George Zimmerman evidence: Details on Trayvon's DNA on Zimmerman and vice versa


3:48 p.m. EST, September 19, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel


State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

The gun evidence is important because Zimmerman told Sanford police he opened fire only after the 17-year-old pinned him to the ground and reached for the gun he wore holstered on his waist.

In a re-enactment for Sanford police the next day, Zimmerman did not say or show that the two had struggled over the gun, only that Trayvon had extended his hand toward it.

The 28-year-old Zimmerman killed Trayvon, a Miami Gardens high school junior, Feb. 26 in Sanford.

Zimmerman says he acted in self-defense. Prosecutors say Zimmerman, a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, spotted the black teenager, profiled him, assumed he was about to commit a crime, began following him then murdered him.

Prosecutors today released to the public several hundred pages of evidence. It included no bombshells.

The DNA evidence was among the most compelling because it confirmed that Zimmerman and Trayvon had been in extremely close contact.

Several neighbors reported seeing one on top of the other in a fight that left one of them screaming, Zimmerman with a broken nose and small gashes to his head and Trayvon dead from a gunshot wound to the heart.

Special Prosecutor Angela Corey released some DNA evidence May 17 but more details today. Records from the FDLE's Orlando lab show scientists there found a Trayvon-Zimmerman DNA mixture in a blood stain on Zimmerman's red-orange jacket.

Zimmerman's DNA was found in a stain on Trayvon's shirt. Scientists found on that same piece of clothing a Zimmerman-Trayvon mix of DNA, they reported.

The new evidence also reveals that the local president of the NAACP sent Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee an email three days after the shooting, asking to meet and discuss Trayvon's shooting.

It's unclear when or whether that meeting with Turner Clayton Jr. happened.

Lee and his agency's investigation into the shooting were harshly criticized by local and national civil rights leaders and Trayvon's family. Lee was fired a few months later.
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Hearing set for George Zimmerman's request to subpoena Trayvon Martin's school, social media

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

A new hearing has been set in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case, during which his attorneys will ask a judge to allow them to subpoena the school and social media records of Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman's defense has asked for subpoenas for records from the teenager's middle and high schools, as well as his Twitter and Facebook accounts. A hearing has been set for Oct. 19.

Zimmerman, 29, fatally shot the Miami Gardens 17-year-old Feb. 26 in Sanford. Authorities allege he profiled and pursued the teen. Zimmerman says he fired in self-defense after Trayvon attacked him.

The defense team also submitted its response to a filing by the state which referred to the requests for Trayvon's school records as a "fishing expedition."

In one of several new filings, defense attorney Mark O'Mara writes that the requests are part of a "well thought out plan to focus on potentially relevant and admissible information."

O'Mara also noted that the state has gathered Zimmerman's high school records from Manassas, Va.

"Yet, when the same exact documents are requested regarding Trayvon Martin, the State denigrates the request as a fishing expedition," O'Mara writes. "The irony is rich."


In a third new motion, O'Mara asked to be allowed to review the court's copy of a recorded law enforcement interview of a woman identified as "Witness 9." That witness, in two interviews made public in the case already, accused Zimmerman of disliking black people and of molesting her when they were both young.

O'Mara writes in his motion that the state failed several times to provide him with a working copy of a third Witness 9 interview, and he wants to know whether Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. received a bad copy, too.

Zimmerman "requests the opportunity to review, with the court, the recordings... to ascertain whether or not the Court received an accurate recording as finally disclosed by the State... or if the Court received an inaccurate or inaudible recording, as the defense has received up until" the latest evidence exchange on Sept. 19.

The motions will be heard by Circuit Judge Debra Nelson, who recently took over the case. Lester was forced to recuse himself after he wrote in an order that Zimmerman had showed "blatant disregard for the judicial system."

Lester's comments came after prosecutors alleged Zimmerman and his wife had conspired to hide more than $130,000 from the court before Zimmerman's first bond hearing, at which they claimed to be broke.

Zimmerman's defense asked Lester to step aside after his harshly worded order, arguing the judge had shown he wouldn't be impartial. Lester denied that request, but an appeal court sided with Zimmerman.

Nelson is also judge in the case against Shellie Zimmerman, George's wife, who was charged with perjury after the alleged fiscal deception was revealed. Both Zimmermans are out of jail on bond.

The shooting led to international outrage, after Zimmerman wasn't initially arrested. The Neighborhood Watch volunteer says he was being beaten by the south Florida teen when he fired the fatal shot.

Papachristou Offline
#853 Posted:
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well rfenst? what are your thoughts?

i saw an article a few days ago where Z may be suing the news organization that edited the 911 calls/transcripts.
rfenst Offline
#854 Posted:
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Papachristou wrote:
well rfenst? what are your thoughts?

i saw an article a few days ago where Z may be suing the news organization that edited the 911 calls/transcripts.



Z's lawyer will get what he seeks- unless it has already been destroyed. Remember, there is much greater latitude in Criminal Defense Discovery than Civil Discovery. And, if it isn't relevant, why did the prosecutor obtain that info? The state is supposed to basically open it s entire evidence file to the defenses and provide all evidence that could be interpreted as potentially hopeful for the defense. "Fishing expedition" is the fall-back argument when you don't have much better to support your opposition to Discovery. But here, Trayvon no longer has any privacy right because he is deceased...
Papachristou Offline
#855 Posted:
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i saw a screenshot of T's twitter account where his cousin was asking him about punching a school bus driver but havent seen it in awhile. definitely be interesting to see if it is still available.
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#856 Posted:
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Papachristou wrote:
i saw a screenshot of T's twitter account where his cousin was asking him about punching a school bus driver but havent seen it in awhile. definitely be interesting to see if it is still available.



Perhaps this is just a case of divine karma.


Think
rfenst Offline
#857 Posted:
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Papachristou wrote:
i saw a screenshot of T's twitter account where his cousin was asking him about punching a school bus driver but havent seen it in awhile. definitely be interesting to see if it is still available.


That's the exact kind of stuff they are looking for.
Papachristou Offline
#858 Posted:
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i wish this had played out for the facts. im not a lawyer by any means but the media has clearly swayed the public through edited 911 transcripts and pictures of T. i just came across this picture showing before/after:

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg?w=640&h=216

hmm here is another great pic of him:

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-twitter-acct1.jpg?w=640


oh here we go. his screen name was "no limit ****" classy indeed. nice grill too: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT

here is the twitter quote: "Yu ain't tell me you swung on a bus driver," Martin's cousin wrote to him on Feb. 21.
maybe heresay i dont know. rfenst can elaborate im sure.

all the tweets are here: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT






rfenst Offline
#859 Posted:
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Papachristou wrote:
Here is the twitter quote: "Yu ain't tell me you swung on a bus driver," Martin's cousin wrote to him on Feb. 21.

maybe heresay i dont know. rfenst can elaborate im sure.



Depends on whether the cousin heard it from a third-party. Admissibility could depend on fitting through one of 30 or so exceptions to the rule that hearsay is otherwise inadmissible.
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at the end of the day, it is just a terrible situation. Either one or likely both of them let the pride get in their way instead of just speaking a little more calmly and explaining things. It has reheightened long gone racial tensions and ruined a lot of friendships i know.

oh i forgot about the media continually referring to Z as white or white-hispanic too. Ive yet to hear obama be called a white-african american.
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#861 Posted:
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Papachristou wrote:
i wish this had played out for the facts. im not a lawyer by any means but the media has clearly swayed the public through edited 911 transcripts and pictures of T. i just came across this picture showing before/after:

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvonmartin_doctoredphoto.jpg?w=640&h=216

hmm here is another great pic of him:

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-twitter-acct1.jpg?w=640


oh here we go. his screen name was "no limit ****" classy indeed. nice grill too: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT

here is the twitter quote: "Yu ain't tell me you swung on a bus driver," Martin's cousin wrote to him on Feb. 21.
maybe heresay i dont know. rfenst can elaborate im sure.

all the tweets are here: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT









I believe I posted these back on page 1, 4 or 5...they're here though. I was calling for the facts to tumble out not for heated race baiting or a lynching like the media wanted to fabricate on this guy. I like to believe that our legal system is really good; however when it's clogged with a case like this based on this...where is the Justice?
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#862 Posted:
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Zimmerman's lawyers release bloody nose photo

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/12/03/zimmerman-small.jpg

Read it here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57556932-504083/zimmermans-lawyers-release-bloody-nose-photo/
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'If I had a son he'd look like Travon...'
http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/trayvon-martin1.jpg
Think
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#864 Posted:
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GOOD THING THE DECEASED, WASN'T PLAYING A BOOM BOX TOO LOUD.

I WONDER IF THE LATEST "GUN NUT" LOST HIS CARRY PERMIT,

I DEFINE A "GUN NUT" AS SOMEONE WHO SHOOTS SOMEONE BECAUSE HE IS ANNOYED
.
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
GOOD THING THE DECEASED, WASN'T PLAYING A BOOM BOX TOO LOUD.

I WONDER IF THE LATEST "GUN NUT" LOST HIS CARRY PERMIT,

I DEFINE A "GUN NUT" AS SOMEONE WHO SHOOTS SOMEONE BECAUSE HE IS ANNOYED
.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1sf2CzEq0w
Papachristou Offline
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RICK, ALTHOUGH THE TWO CASES DO NOT APPEAR TO BE RELATED AT ALL, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE CCTV VIDEO BEFORE I TAKE SIDES. MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS THE GUY IS DEFINITELY SHOULD BE CHARGED, HOWEVER, IF A CAR FULL OF 5 GUYS BUMPING RAP MUSIC DRESSED LIKE THUGS STARTED THREATENING ME AFTER I ASKED THEM TO TURN DOWN THEIR MUSIC THEN STARTED GETTING OUT OF THE CAR HEADING TOWARDS ME THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION. HIS SECOND BIG MISTAKE WAS FLEEING THE SCENE. YOU CANT UNLOAD A FIREARM THEN LEAVE. ANYWAY, THE TWO CASES ARENT SIMILAR AT ALL.

One similarity might actually be that "pride" got two people killed. Whether or not Z or this other guy crossed the line, i cant really say but i can say wih 100% certainty that both treyvon and this car full of guys lkely did not respond to requests made of them very nicely (like i said, those requests may not have been phrased well either). but the response Z and this other guy likely got was "GO EFF YOURSELF< ILL BEAT YOUR WHITE ASS TO A PULP" or something along those lines.
DrafterX Offline
#867 Posted:
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I heard he said somethin about his mama too..... Mellow
Papachristou Offline
#868 Posted:
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ummmm huhhhhhh, i kno u didnt!
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#869 Posted:
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All this for some skittles and an ice tea
HockeyDad Offline
#870 Posted:
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Skittles are really good. Experience the rainbow.
DrafterX Offline
#871 Posted:
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I wonder how this would have turned out if he had bought M&Ms instead..... Think
DrMaddVibe Offline
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05busa wrote:
All this for some skittles and an ice tea



Werd.


Little creep was goin' out for his street cred and figured he could throw a Georgetown rubby beatdown. Thug never figured the guy was packing until the bullet went through his head.


Lesson - Don't act like you're playing GTA in real life!

GAME OVER!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#873 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Skittles are really good. Experience the rainbow.



Rainbow Coalition that is!
Papachristou Offline
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05busa wrote:
All this for some skittles and an ice tea


yeah.... the skittles and iced tea are actually used to make a drink called "lean". It is usually some kind of flavored tea, skittles and cough syrup. Another testament to what a great kid he was...... well that along with his three suspensions for destruction of property, possession of burglary tools and stolen jewelry and drugs.
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Papachristou

IF A POLICE OFFICER WAS THREATENED THE SAME AS THE "GUN NUT' WAS
SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN THREATENED, HE WOULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED
EMPTYING HIS GUN AT THE GROUP IN THE CAR BECAUSE HE WAS WORRIED
HE MIGHT BE INJURED, AND HE HAS BEEN HIRED, BY HISLEGAL LOCAL
GOVERNMENT TO POLICE, AND AS THE VERB SAYS, TO MAINTAIN ORDER
AS PRESCRIBED BY LAW.

THE "GUN NUT" THAT MURDERED THE YOUNGSTER WHO WAS GOING FROM
ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, WAS LOOKING FOR TROUBLE, HOPING TO FIND IT,
IN SPITE OF POLICE WARNINGS TO STAY AWAY, ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS
PACKING.

WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE FOUND IT, THE CONFORTATION IS NOT IMPORTANT.
WITHOUT THE MIND SET OF THE "GUN NUT", THE FANTASY OFBEING A HERO,
LIKE THE HEROES OF THE OLD WEST, SAVING THE TOWN FROM TH3 BAD GUYS,
A YOUNGSTER WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

THE OTHER INCIDENT, THE "I TOLD YOU TO QUIET DOWN, AND SINCE YOU DIDN'T
YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES. I WILL PUNISH YOU BY TRYING
TO KILL YOU." IS BEYOND THE PALE,

IF YOU HAVE READ ENOUGH OF THE POTENTIAL "GUN NUTS" RESPONSES TO ANY
QUESTIONING OF THEIR RIGHT TO OWN ANY GUN OR WEAPON, YOU WILL FIND
THEY ARE SIMILAR, "ONE OF THESE DAYS, I AM GOING TO COME FACE TO FACE
WITH A BAD GUY, AND, BOY OH BOY, IS HE GOING TO BE SURPRISED
,"[/color]
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
Papachristou

IF A POLICE OFFICER WAS THREATENED THE SAME AS THE "GUN NUT' WAS
SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN THREATENED, HE WOULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED
EMPTYING HIS GUN AT THE GROUP IN THE CAR BECAUSE HE WAS WORRIED
HE MIGHT BE INJURED, AND HE HAS BEEN HIRED, BY HISLEGAL LOCAL
GOVERNMENT TO POLICE, AND AS THE VERB SAYS, TO MAINTAIN ORDER
AS PRESCRIBED BY LAW.

THE "GUN NUT" THAT MURDERED THE YOUNGSTER WHO WAS GOING FROM
ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, WAS LOOKING FOR TROUBLE, HOPING TO FIND IT,
IN SPITE OF POLICE WARNINGS TO STAY AWAY, ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS
PACKING.

WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE FOUND IT, THE CONFORTATION IS NOT IMPORTANT.
WITHOUT THE MIND SET OF THE "GUN NUT", THE FANTASY OFBEING A HERO,
LIKE THE HEROES OF THE OLD WEST, SAVING THE TOWN FROM TH3 BAD GUYS,
A YOUNGSTER WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

THE OTHER INCIDENT, THE "I TOLD YOU TO QUIET DOWN, AND SINCE YOU DIDN'T
YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES. I WILL PUNISH YOU BY TRYING
TO KILL YOU." IS BEYOND THE PALE,

IF YOU HAVE READ ENOUGH OF THE POTENTIAL "GUN NUTS" RESPONSES TO ANY
QUESTIONING OF THEIR RIGHT TO OWN ANY GUN OR WEAPON, YOU WILL FIND
THEY ARE SIMILAR, "ONE OF THESE DAYS, I AM GOING TO COME FACE TO FACE
WITH A BAD GUY, AND, BOY OH BOY, IS HE GOING TO BE SURPRISED
,"[/color]


If?

If is how you started the whole post.

If. If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its butt when it hopped.

As for the rest of it...listen to the entire 911 call rick...he wasn't following him. He complied. The thug ass punk turned around and chased HIM down!
HockeyDad Offline
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Ricka has been swayed by prosecutorial misconduct.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#878 Posted:
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I don't think he's ever read the Bill of Rights either!
HockeyDad Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I don't think he's ever read the Bill of Rights either!



Maybe it they printed it in a bigger font....
DrMaddVibe Offline
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http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/northamerica/after1500/government/billofrights.htm
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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WASN'T THAT WHEN A BUNCH OF BALD GUYS WITH WIGS SIGNED A BIG PARCHMENT?
I REMEMBER HOW BAD THEY ALL SMELLED.


WAS THAT THE BILL OF RIGHTS? I THOUGHT IT WAS A TURKEY POOL.
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they were bald.>??? seems odd for their age... Jefferson was 33 I think.... those guys were incredibly smart condidering what they had and had to do... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
WASN'T THAT WHEN A BUNCH OF BALD GUYS WITH WIGS SIGNED A BIG PARCHMENT?
I REMEMBER HOW BAD THEY ALL SMELLED.


WAS THAT THE BILL OF RIGHTS? I THOUGHT IT WAS A TURKEY POOL.




What did you serve them for dinner after they signed it?!
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#884 Posted:
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"GUN NUT"???????


"YOUNGSTER"??????





WORDS MATTER.























POOP.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#885 Posted:
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HockeyDad

TURKEY BURGERS WITH COUNTRY GRAVY
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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DrafterX

THEY SHAVED THEIR HEADS TO RID THEMSELVES OF LICE.
DrafterX Offline
#887 Posted:
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they shoulda just got some of that NIX stuff.... Mellow
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George Zimmerman sues NBC Universal over edited 911 call.
I hope he takes them to the bank.

*quick snip*
(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, charged in the shooting death of a 17-year-old Florida boy, sued NBC Universal on Thursday for using "the oldest form of yellow journalism" by editing an audio tape of his 911 call to make him sound racist, the lawsuit said.

Zimmerman is seeking "damages in excess of the jurisdictional limit" in Seminole County Circuit Court in Florida, where the lawsuit is filed.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
wheelrite Offline
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I wonder if the worms have gotten to Trayvon yet ?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#890 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
I wonder if the worms have gotten to Trayvon yet ?



Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were there hours after it happening!
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edin508 wrote:
George Zimmerman sues NBC Universal over edited 911 call.
I hope he takes them to the bank.

*quick snip*
(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, charged in the shooting death of a 17-year-old Florida boy, sued NBC Universal on Thursday for using "the oldest form of yellow journalism" by editing an audio tape of his 911 call to make him sound racist, the lawsuit said.

Zimmerman is seeking "damages in excess of the jurisdictional limit" in Seminole County Circuit Court in Florida, where the lawsuit is filed.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


He has to be exonerated or found not guilty for the lawsuit to have any real "legs", if at all. Then, he'll need a major change of venue. Difficulty with the case is that a good defenses are: 1) merely convincing the jury he IS just somewhat racist (no harm, no foul); and 2) branding him a liar (because he lied about the money). If the case gets "legs", then it will settle for an undisclosed amount. Remember, he has to pay his criminal lawyer and all those who have financially aided him. I really think that will be a major factor in his mind.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#892 Posted:
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OJ IS STILL IN JAIL
ZRX1200 Offline
#893 Posted:
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OJ is black not brown.
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Papachristou

haven't you understood the implications of the repulican party's to call him a "N"

did you want them to come out and say it directly
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#895 Posted:
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OhMyGod
biggcarl Offline
#896 Posted:
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Why are they still persecuting this innocent man?
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#897 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN



MARXIST AND FABIAN SOCIALIST DON'T START WITH "N"



AND HE'S FROM KENYA NOT NIGERIA




























POOP!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#898 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
haven't you understood the implications of the repulican party's to call him a "N"



Those damned repulican's and their party.
rfenst Offline
#899 Posted:
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biggcarl wrote:
Why are they still persecuting this innocent man?


Because he lied at his bail hearing. Beacuse the prosecution is dragging its feet and because these things take more time than you can fathom.
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#900 Posted:
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biggcarl wrote:
Why are they still persecuting this innocent man?


rfenst wrote:
Because he lied at his bail hearing. Beacuse the prosecution is dragging its feet and because these things take more time than you can fathom.


and because no one likes to admit they made a mistake -- they will take it to trial because they are too invested in the case now to back out. The prosecution team would loose face. It is better to try to convict an innocent man than face the shame of admitting you were wrong to file the case to begin with and admit that the prosecution office bowed to the pressures of those who wanted to make this a matter of race.
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