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Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman/Sanford, FL...
DrafterX Offline
#901 Posted:
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Was the lie about the money..?? I may have had a hard time answering that question... was the money actually in his checking account or was it being held by someone or something else for lawyer and court costs..?? Would he have been able to get this money and run if he chose..?? If it were me and I didn't have access to it I may not have answered correctly... How was the question asked..?? Think
rfenst Offline
#902 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Was the lie about the money..?? I may have had a hard time answering that question... was the money actually in his checking account or was it being held by someone or something else for lawyer and court costs..?? Would he have been able to get this money and run if he chose..?? If it were me and I didn't have access to it I may not have answered correctly... How was the question asked..?? Think



Would have to read the transcript from the hearing. But, I assure you it doesn't look good. He and his wife's phone conversations were recorded while he was in jail and they were using "code" in reference to the money and amounts as well as who it would be distributed to for safekeeping. Never told his lawyer, which would have been the smartest thing to do. lawyer would have put it in a Trust Account. Only the lawyer would have been able to access it. I am sure that you can find the questions and answers from the hearing and perhaps even video of the hearing if you search the Internet.
DrafterX Offline
#903 Posted:
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doesn't sound good then... I figured people would send to fund instead of him directly... I'll look aound....
rfenst Offline
#904 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
doesn't sound good then... I figured people would send to fund instead of him directly... I'll look aound....


He started his own site to proclaim his innocence and then begs/asks for legal defense contributions. I think the donations were predominantly sent by Pay-Pal. His own attorney was kept out of the loop and, once the attorney found out he had to disclose it to the court. That, him telling his wife to keep all disbursal for safekeeping under $10k; the "secretive" code language of their conversations and the like do not fare well for the charges being dismissed pretrial by a judge.
HockeyDad Offline
#905 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
He started his own site to proclaim his innocence and then begs/asks for legal defense contributions. I think the donations were predominantly sent by Pay-Pal. His own attorney was kept out of the loop and, once the attorney found out he had to disclose it to the court. That, him telling his wife to keep all disbursal for safekeeping under $10k; the "secretive" code language of their conversations and the like do not fare well for the charges being dismissed pretrial by a judge.



He sounds like a murderer. Good thing they already have the gallows built for him.
rfenst Offline
#906 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
He sounds like a murderer. Good thing they already have the gallows built for him.


Wrong inference to draw, from what wrote as to whether he should be presently tried or have his case kicked at a "stand your ground hearing". However, I do believe he and/or his wife is/are guilty of lying; a lie of omission; and/or deceiving the court about the money; and that this seriously affects his or her credibility. On the other hand what's a mere $100-300k amongst friends?

rfenst Offline
#907 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
He sounds like a murderer. Good thing they already have the gallows built for him.


Wrong inference to draw here.

IMO, he just seems to me to have been dishonest/a liar at his initial bond hearing by way of either a direct lie or a lie of omission. This seriously affects his credibility. On the other hand what's just a mere $100-300k amongst friends and family?

HockeyDad Offline
#908 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
IMO, he just seems to me to have been dishonest/a liar at his initial bond hearing by way of either a direct lie or a lie of omission. This seriously affects his credibility. On the other hand what's just a mere $100-300k amongst friends and family?



Maybe it is just that latinos aren't used to all of a sudden having that kind of money and he panicked.
rfenst Offline
#909 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Maybe it is just that latinos aren't used to all of a sudden having that kind of money and he panicked.


Well, you certainly should be able to provoke someone now!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#910 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Maybe it is just that latinos aren't used to all of a sudden having that kind of money and he panicked.




I think it's because he's really a White Hispanic. You KNOW how THEY are!whip
HockeyDad Offline
#911 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I think it's because he's really a White Hispanic. You KNOW how THEY are!whip



You would think the "white" part would be able to handle money.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#912 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
You would think the "white" part would be able to handle money.



Yeah, Lindsey Lohan is a real saver!
biggcarl Offline
#913 Posted:
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When Z spotted M did he draw his gun? No.

When Z was exchangeing words with M did he draw his gun? No.

When Z was punched in the nose by M did he draw his gun? No.

When Z was having the back of skull bounced off the sidewalk did he draw his gun? Yes.

So not until he was in mortal danger did draw. I'll be honest, if I have a gun and someone is slamming my head off the sidewalk, you can damn well bet I'll empty the magazine into whoever it is. He waited until he was clearly in danger of lossing his life to use deadly force. Clear cut case of self defense.

Now they want to bring him up on charges of lieing about money. Here's a thought, if they never filed this BS case, there would not any defense fund money to lie about.
DrafterX Offline
#914 Posted:
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So, why was the Zimmer dude there in the first place... I heard he didn't live or work there.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#915 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
So, why was the Zimmer dude there in the first place... I heard he didn't live or work there.... Mellow


The prosecution's theory is he was hunting black people.
Papachristou Offline
#916 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Because he lied at his bail hearing. Beacuse the prosecution is dragging its feet and because these things take more time than you can fathom.


yeah, lying about that money was a bad bad move. i mean come on, they can find out what you searched on google a year ago, you dont think someone is going to notice $100k+ in your paypal account lol?
rfenst Offline
#917 Posted:
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By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
7:44 p.m. EST, December 14, 2012



SANFORD — In three weeks, Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson, who's overseeing the George Zimmerman murder case, will inherit a new one: George Zimmerman's defamation suit against NBC Universal Media LLC.

Rarely is a judge asked to preside over a man's murder case and, at the same time, his suit demanding a big payout from a major media company that he accuses of defamation.

Mark O'Mara represents Zimmerman in both cases. In an email exchange Thursday, he wrote that he sees no conflict with Nelson handling both cases and has no current plans to ask her to give the defamation suit to another judge.

Nelson, 59, is taking over the NBC case because she's swapping jobs with another Sanford judge, Marlene Alva, a 13-year court veteran. In January, Nelson will hear civil cases, those involving disputes over money and property — not crimes.

She'll hang onto the Zimmerman second-degree murder case, which she has set for trial in June, but will hand off her other pending criminal cases, including the perjury case against Zimmerman's wife, Shellie Zimmerman.

It will now be handled by Alva, 60.

George Zimmerman is the 29-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder in the shooting Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, in Sanford Feb. 26.

He filed suit against NBC and three of its reporters last week, accusing them of editing a recording of his call to police that night in a way that suggests he's a racist. His suit also alleges that NBC falsely reported that he used a racial epithet during the call.

Two of the three named reporters were fired months ago, and NBC News President Steve Capus apologized, saying the edited audio was a mistake — not a deliberate act.

The media company issued a statement after the suit was filed, saying it did not intend to unfairly portray Zimmerman and will defend itself in court
nicholasjames Offline
#918 Posted:
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NBC News President Steve Capus apologized, saying the edited audio was a mistake ...

mistake his ass.
ZRX1200 Offline
#919 Posted:
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Named reporters?

Isn't the news editor responsible for what hits the air?


Typical for today in Amerika.
nicholasjames Offline
#920 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Named reporters?

Isn't the news editor responsible for what hits the air?


Typical for today in Amerika.


responsible? not today. not any more. "amerika" it is.
eric.feldkamp Offline
#921 Posted:
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1. Zimmerman did not testify at his bail hearing. Only his wife did.

2. His wife offered, during testimony, to contact the person that knew exactly how much was in the accounts in question so as to get an accurate figure. The prosecution didn't take her up on it.

3. It looks so bad for the two of them that the prosecutor edited the transcript on the perjury charging document in order to cover up point 2 above. Which is to say: It looks worse for the prosecutor.
rfenst Offline
#922 Posted:
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eric.feldkamp wrote:
1. Zimmerman did not testify at his bail hearing. Only his wife did.

2. His wife offered, during testimony, to contact the person that knew exactly how much was in the accounts in question so as to get an accurate figure. The prosecution didn't take her up on it.

3. It looks so bad for the two of them that the prosecutor edited the transcript on the perjury charging document in order to cover up point 2 above. Which is to say: It looks worse for the prosecutor.


Zimmerman did testify at his bail hearing- but not about money- only an apology to Trayvon's family.

Z's wife was asked to estimate the amount in trust, but claimed she couldn't. Yet a few days before, IIRC, she and her husband discussed on the jailhouse phone about transferring $130k form one account to another. She was also asked at the bond hearing whether there were any additional assets that could be liquidated, but failed to at least mention the $130k.

The court transcript itself was not edited. What the prosecution did was not fully include all testimony from it in the papers filed against Z's wife. This could have been a bad move, but not one which will prevent charges against her.

I have both read and listened to Z's wife's testimony and believe that while it cannot be proved that she out and out lied, she certainly can legitimately be accused of having been very deceptive and IMO probably lied by omission IMO. The problem for Mrs and Mr. Z is that neither he never made any attempt to correct the record during or following Mrs. Z's testimony, when arguably, they should have.

When I think about it all, the family plan was to use the pay-pal money to pay Z's bail. How then, could they have not known of it?

Nevertheless, this is a close one as prosecution for perjury in a case like Mrs. Z's is very difficult to prove because her answers were rather ambiguous and strict proof of full knowledge of a lie under oath is required.
HockeyDad Offline
#923 Posted:
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They should hang Z's wife as well. Guilt by association plus it creates a larger sacrifice for appeasement.
Papachristou Offline
#924 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
On the other hand what's just a mere $100-300k amongst friends and family?



surely you know that when on a high profile trial for murder, $130k is like having a quarter tank of gas. If i had to guess, he was scared of how he was going to pay for attorneys, rent, bills etc however that does not excuse the lie.
rfenst Offline
#925 Posted:
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Papachristou wrote:
surely you know that when on a high profile trial for murder, $130k is like having a quarter tank of gas. If i had to guess, he was scared of how he was going to pay for attorneys, rent, bills etc however that does not excuse the lie.


That is what many hypothesise including the fact that he had just hired his lawyer a few days before his arrest and may have not gained trust yet.
rfenst Offline
#926 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
They should hang Z's wife as well. Guilt by association plus it creates a larger sacrifice for appeasement.


Exactly as to the appeasement issue. He' could walk and she could get a slap on the wrist. Or, the charges against her and threatened charges against him could be used as a leverage tool should plea negotiations come along in the future. It is a very rare and difficult charge to prove because it requires proof of the defendants state of mind in instances like this one. I think she was a little too sly for her and her husband's own good.
El Roberto Offline
#927 Posted:
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No one ever said Zimmerman was the sharpest pencil in the box, but not withstanding, when I saw him he looked pretty beat up. Trevon was pictured as a nice young highschool kid when the reality is that he was a punk. The typical left wing media has turned this into a race issue. I don't know how that could be. A Jewish Mexican vs. a black American? Who's the racist here? If the jury of his peers are 4 Mexicans, 4 Jews, and 4 Blacks, then it sounds like no contest. The media will continue to portray this as a racial incident with the help of the likes of J. Jackson, Wright, and that idiot from NY. Good Luck Zimmerman.
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