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Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman/Sanford, FL...
ZRX1200 Offline
#751 Posted:
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Right. He had the money available when he could travel, and showed up everytime (in court) he was asked to even when he "feared" for his safety.


Whatever.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
DAMN!!!


That'll buy a lot of Skittles and iced tea!

New hoodies for all!
rfenst Offline
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George Zimmerman leaves Fla. jail on $1M bond


ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman was released from jail Friday for a second time while he awaits his second-degree murder trial for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman left the Seminole County Jail a day after Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester granted a $1 million bail with strict conditions. He wore a white shirt and dress jacket as he walked out.

The neighborhood watch leader is required to stay in Seminole County. He was allowed to leave Florida after his first release in April. He must be electronically monitored, can't open a bank account, obtain a passport or set foot on the grounds of the local airport. He has a 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew.

"He's very happy to be out," Don West, one of Zimmerman's attorneys, told reporters outside the jail. "Certainly it's been a sobering experience spending the last month in jail in that kind of environment."

Zimmerman had been released on a $150,000 bond in April, but the judge revoked it last month after prosecutors presented evidence that he and his wife misled the court about how much money they had available to pay for the bond. They didn't tell the judge that donations from a website for Zimmerman's legal defense had raised around $135,000 at the time of his first bond hearing.

Prosecutors argued Zimmerman and his wife talked in code during recorded jailhouse conversations about how to transfer the donations to different bank accounts. For example, George Zimmerman at one point asked how much money they had. She replied "$155." Prosecutors allege that was code for $155,000. Their reference to "Peter Pan" was code for the PayPal system through which the donations were made, prosecutors said.

Shellie Zimmerman faces arraignment at the end of the month on a perjury charge; she was freed on bond.

Zimmerman's attorneys said Thursday that there was $211,000 in an account, which included the amount raised from Zimmerman's website and also money generated from another website set up by his legal team. An additional $20,000 was raised in the day after Lester issued the $1 million bond order.

Zimmerman had to pay a bond company $100,000 but also needed $1 million in collateral to secure the bail, his legal team said.

West refused to comment on what was being used as collateral after Zimmerman left the jail.

"We worked that out," West said.

...

During Zimmerman's second bond hearing, his attorney, Mark O'Mara, said that his client was confused, fearful and experienced a moment of weakness when he and his wife misled the court.

The judge didn't buy it and expressed his unhappiness with Zimmerman and his wife in his second bond order. He accused Zimmerman of making plans to flee to avoid prosecution, misleading O'Mara by not disclosing the money from the website and trying to manipulate the judicial system.

"Under any definition, the defendant has flaunted the system," Lester wrote.

But the judge said current law limited his ability to deny a second application for bond.
rfenst Offline
#754 Posted:
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-Thousands and thousands of pages of investigation, discovery, items and documents have been turned over to Z's lawyers over the past few weeks.


-This is going to get very interesting. Z's lawyers are procedurally and tactically crushing the prosecution. It doesn't hurt that the prosecution has to turn over evidence that conflicts its allegations.


-MOTION FOR RECUSAL (of Judge Lester)!
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This is going to be interesting. I think no matter what happens you are going to see a lot of unhappy people. Good luck finding a jury for this one...
rfenst Offline
#756 Posted:
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GIBrett wrote:
This is going to be interesting. I think no matter what happens you are going to see a lot of unhappy people. Good luck finding a jury for this one...


They need six people who they feel will decide fairly based only on evidence only.
Worked in Casey Anthony trial, IMO.
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Witness 9" in Trayvon Martin case claims George Zimmerman's family is racist.

WTF Judge, over?

Witness 9 did claim that Zimmerman "only likes black people who act like white people.'

Witness 9 told investigators that Zimmerman, who is about two years older than her, had sexually molested her from the age of six up until she was 16 years old.
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Gene363 wrote:
Witness 9" in Trayvon Martin case claims George Zimmerman's family is racist.

WTF Judge, over?

Witness 9 did claim that Zimmerman "only likes black people who act like white people.'

Witness 9 told investigators that Zimmerman, who is about two years older than her, had sexually molested her from the age of six up until she was 16 years old.


That's obviously wrong. Zimmerman is a super hero saving the world from dangerous black kids.
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FuzzNJ wrote:
That's obviously wrong. Zimmerman is a super hero saving the world from dangerous black kids.



he only does that when he's not raping little girls.... Mellow
FuzzNJ Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
he only does that when he's not raping little girls.... Mellow


He's saving them from the curse of virginity.
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DrafterX wrote:
he only does that when he's not raping little girls.... Mellow



Oops, forgot to be offended.


I have two daughters you bas tard! So you want my daughters to be raped by Zimmerman? You are one sick jerk.
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Laugh
Gene363 Offline
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Innocent until proven guilty, oh, unless the media doesn't like you.
rfenst Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Witness 9" in Trayvon Martin case claims George Zimmerman's family is racist.

WTF Judge, over?

Witness 9 did claim that Zimmerman "only likes black people who act like white people.'

Witness 9 told investigators that Zimmerman, who is about two years older than her, had sexually molested her from the age of six up until she was 16 years old.



“Relevant evidence is inadmissible if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice, confusion of issues, misleading the jury, or needless presentation of cumulative evidence.” IMO, neither allegation gets in to evidence.
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Gene363 wrote:
Witness 9" in Trayvon Martin case claims George Zimmerman's family is racist.

WTF Judge, over?

Witness 9 did claim that Zimmerman "only likes black people who act like white people.'

Witness 9 told investigators that Zimmerman, who is about two years older than her, had sexually molested her from the age of six up until she was 16 years old.



“Relevant evidence is inadmissible if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice, confusion of issues, misleading the jury, or needless presentation of cumulative evidence.” IMO, neither allegation gets in to evidence.
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
“Relevant evidence is inadmissible if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice, confusion of issues, misleading the jury, or needless presentation of cumulative evidence.” IMO, neither allegation gets in to evidence.


It's a shame the judge cannot do anything about the situation.
FuzzNJ Offline
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Gene363 wrote:

It's a shame the judge cannot do anything about the situation.


The molesting and the raping situation?
rfenst Offline
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Gene363 wrote:

It's a shame the judge cannot do anything about the situation.


Judges don't bring up charges, prosecutors do. The judge's role is to run the court room. In the Z case, the current judge will be taking himself off the case because of improper comments he made at Z's recent re-bail hearing.

At this point, I don't give any credibility to #9's allegation. Not saying it didn't happen. just saying that just because she alleged it doesn't make it true. There is so much blood in the water already, look for that to be investigated too in the coming months. At this point, I think it is best for Z to request his pre-trial motion to dismiss hearing. The longer he waits, the more crap could be brought forward.
Gene363 Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The molesting and the raping situation?


The molesting of justice.
HockeyDad Offline
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The prosecution just ruined the jury pool. Well played. They really want to hang this white guy.
FuzzNJ Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
The prosecution just ruined the jury pool. Well played. They really want to hang this white guy.


That pool was about 1/2" deep anyway.
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Judges don't bring up charges, prosecutors do. The judge's role is to run the court room. In the Z case, the current judge will be taking himself off the case because of improper comments he made at Z's recent re-bail hearing.

At this point, I don't give any credibility to #9's allegation. Not saying it didn't happen. just saying that just because she alleged it doesn't make it true. There is so much blood in the water already, look for that to be investigated too in the coming months. At this point, I think it is best for Z to request his pre-trial motion to dismiss hearing. The longer he waits, the more crap could be brought forward.


It does have that BS ring, but I have been on a jury with some folks that would eat that up regardless of the judges instructions. One reason I get cranky (er) about jury duty dodgers. If they do dismiss this, I hope Florida is ready for some rioting, might be good to time it as a hurricane makes landfall.
FuzzNJ Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
It does have that BS ring, but I have been on a jury with some folks that would eat that up regardless of the judges instructions. One reason I get cranky (er) about jury duty dodgers. If they do dismiss this, I hope Florida is ready for some rioting, might be good to time it as a hurricane makes landfall.


Same worries with vaccine conspiracy cases.
Gene363 Offline
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Same worries with vaccine conspiracy cases.


Reality is a tough sell in some circles.
rfenst Offline
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Today's Zimmerman news included taped jail telephone conversations between Pastor Terry Jones (Quran burner and supporter of Westboro's protests at military funerals...). Zimmerman asked the Pastor to pray with him; told him that both he and the city of Sanford need to heal; and asked the Pastor not to protest in Sanford, but to come to the jail to pray with Z instead of protesting.

Now, I despise Pastor Jones, but something seems very wrong here if one looks at this from the perspective of legal evidence:

Florida Rule of Evidence 90.505- Privilege with respect to communications to clergy.

(1) For the purposes of this section:

(a) A member of the clergy is a priest, rabbi, practitioner of Christian Science, or minister of any religious organization or denomination usually referred to as a church, or an individual reasonably believed so to be by the person consulting him or her.

(b) A communication between a member of the clergy and a person is confidential if made privately for the purpose of seeking spiritual counsel and advice from the member of the clergy in the usual course of his or her practice or discipline and not intended for further disclosure except to other persons present in furtherance of the communication.


(2) A person has a privilege to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, a confidential communication by the person to a member of the clergy in his or her capacity as spiritual adviser.

(3) The privilege may be claimed by:

(a) The person.

(b) The guardian or conservator of a person.

(c) The personal representative of a deceased person.

(d) The member of the clergy, on behalf of the person. The member of the clergy's authority to do so is presumed in the absence of evidence to the contrary.


This Rule has to do with precluding evidence at trial. It is of no probative value whatsoever and isn't relevant to the charges. Z's attorney has asked the court to delay the state's release/publishing of each bit of "evidence", but could not get the matter heard in time. So, the state went ahead and started releasing crazy stuff like this anyway.

Not fair and not right- whether or not Z is guilty!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Surprise surprise.


HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:


Not fair and not right- whether or not Z is guilty!



We prolly shouldn't already have the gallows built and the noose tied either....but we do. We're gonna be hanging a white boy.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
We prolly shouldn't already have the gallows built and the noose tied either....but we do. We're gonna be hanging a white boy.


I think he will be getting a new judge. I also think he needs to get his probable cause hearing over with ASAP because the more that comes out, the worse he looks.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I think he will be getting a new judge. I also think he needs to get his probable cause hearing over with ASAP because the more that comes out, the worse he looks.



That's not even possible...Jesse and Al already tainted the entire planet with their hatespeech. I'm siding with the FBI on this one not some meely-mouthed backwater attention whore that crawled out of the trailer park!
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
That's not even possible...Jesse and Al already tainted the entire planet with their hatespeech. I'm siding with the FBI on this one not some meely-mouthed backwater attention whore that crawled out of the trailer park!


FBI said race was not a factor in the shooting. I agree thus far.
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
FBI said race was not a factor in the shooting. I agree thus far.


Thank you for your reasoned and dispassionate commentary on this case.
Papachristou Offline
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i thought it was interesting how broad witness #9s allegations were. Z hates blacks she claimed but she could not name a single specific example of anything he had done just that he and his family hated blacks and we should know that. Then she turned to the molestation claim. They were just two years apart, it doesnt add up for an 8yr old to molest a 6yr old.

rfest quote:
Today's Zimmerman news included taped jail telephone conversations between Pastor Terry Jones (Quran burner and supporter of Westboro's protests at military funerals...). Zimmerman asked the Pastor to pray with him; told him that both he and the city of Sanford need to heal; and asked the Pastor not to protest in Sanford, but to come to the jail to pray with Z instead of protesting.

^this recording seems to fit in with everything else we know Z has done

mentored black kids through program
continued mentoring at his own expense after program ran out of funding
worked with and was recognized by the black community for raising awareness of black homeless man beating by sanford pd son
spoke against sanford PD after going on ride alongs with officers to expose racial bias, sleeping on the job and general laziness.





DrMaddVibe Offline
#783 Posted:
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Papachristou wrote:
^this recording seems to fit in with everything else we know Z has done

mentored black kids through program
continued mentoring at his own expense after program ran out of funding
worked with and was recognized by the black community for raising awareness of black homeless man beating by sanford pd son
spoke against sanford PD after going on ride alongs with officers to expose racial bias, sleeping on the job and general laziness.








Also on the recordings to 911 that I've heard he is always prompted by the Police operator for a race...he always went with a clothing description first!
Papachristou Offline
#784 Posted:
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DrMV,

yeah, ive listened to the 911 call (s) too. he sounds very level headed and doesnt give a race. it is amazing how we are all being played by the media with NBC editing the 911 calls/transcripts riling up racial hatred then they quietly fire the producer. not much mention of that though of course.

also, when the 911 operator says dont follow T, he says OK. it doesnt sound like he is running around chasing anyone getting out of breath, it sounds like he was walking. ill have to listen to it again, it has been awhile. the calls are on youtube.
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Z and his attorney are f'ing up his case. the interview last night wasn't going to convince anyone of importance in his case of anything that would help him in court. Anything he said is subject to criticism and use against him in court. His lawyer has a good reputation and has handled himself in court and the media well, but last night's TV interview was IMO a very bad call. Legal cases like this where there is absolutely no new significant evidence being discovered, rarely get better. The more that goes on in this case, the worse it is going to end up for Z.
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rfenst wrote:
Z and his attorney are f'ing up his case. the interview last night wasn't going to convince anyone of importance in his case of anything that would help him in court. Anything he said is subject to criticism and use against him in court. His lawyer has a good reputation and has handled himself in court and the media well, but last night's TV interview was IMO a very bad call. Legal cases like this where there is absolutely no new significant evidence being discovered, rarely get better. The more that goes on in this case, the worse it is going to end up for Z.




It can't get worse. He's dead man walking.
HockeyDad Offline
#787 Posted:
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Didn't you just say that?

Lack of Chick-fil-a getting to you....
bloody spaniard Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Didn't you just say that?
Lack of Chick-fil-a getting to you....



LOL! Chick-Fil-A is a sore point with rfenst. He didn't want to give up chicken nibblet thursdays but he WILL for the sake of gay marriage.Applause
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lol, i saw that article about chickfila yesterday. they didnt say anything derogatory other than that they dont believe in it. what is wrong with sticking up for your beliefs? they are closed on sunday and no one bashes them for that. although it is uber annoying when i want a chicken biscuit on sunday am!
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Zimmerman judge: No, I won't step aside

Orlando Sentinel


SANFORD — The ball is back in Mark O'Mara's court.

Weeks after O'Mara and co-counsel Don West asked Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to remove himself from the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman, Lester on Wednesday rejected their request.

The defense now has two choices: Appeal Lester's ruling to a higher court or move forward with a judge who once wrote that Zimmerman had "flouted" the criminal justice system.

It was statements like those, used by Lester in a bond order, that led Zimmerman's defense to request his recusal, fearing that their client could no longer get a fair trial with this judge.

O'Mara hasn't said whether he will appeal, but Shawn Vincent, who manages Zimmerman's legal defense fund website, said once the defense has a "thoughtful response" they will post it online.

"I'm surprised he didn't excuse himself," said Orlando defense lawyer Richard Hornsby after Lester's ruling. He said O'Mara should absolutely challenge the ruling.

"My opinion is that he has no choice," Hornsby said. "His motion [to recuse Lester] was so extensive. I think they are all in."

An appeal would go to the Fifth District Court of Appeal. Hornsby said O'Mara has 10 days to decide. If he appeals and loses, "then O'Mara has to deal with it and move forward," he said.

In a bond order, Lester described Zimmerman as a manipulator who was gaming the criminal justice system by hiding $130,000 and keeping a secret passport. The judge wrote that, if not for court-ordered satellite monitoring, Zimmerman might well have fled.

He also suggested Zimmerman could face a contempt charge, something the judge himself would be required to level – not prosecutors. Winter Spring attorney Randy McClean said Lester may have gone too far with that last assertion.

"That one statement is one that Mr. O'Mara could hang his hat on," McClean said.

In his ruling Wednesday, the judge made no comment about the allegations of unfairness. He merely wrote that the motion was legally "insufficient."

....
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Trayvon Martin family's HOA insurance claim lands in federal court

Orlando Sentinel


Recent court filings show Trayvon Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, has filed a claim for monetary damages against an insurance company for the Retreat at Twin Lakes homeowners association in her 17-year-old son's death.

The insurance claim was revealed in paperwork filed last week by Travelers Casualty and Surety Company of America. In those documents, the insurer seeks clarification of its responsibilities in the teen's death and asks a federal judge to absolve Travelers of liability.

...

About a month after the shooting, the federal filings show, Travelers issued an insurance policy to the homeowners association. "After the inception of the claims-made policy, Fulton made a claim for monetary damages ..." Travelers says "... as a result of the fatal shooting of Martin."

Travelers writes in its filing that the company "is in doubt of its rights" under the policy and "seeks a declaration of its rights and obligations with respect to the claim" made by Fulton.

The insurer has asked the court to rule that Travelers "has no duty to defend The Retreat at Twin Lakes" against Fulton's claim. The amount of Fulton's claim is not explicitly stated in the court filings, but the insurance company writes that the "amount in controversy exceeds the sum of $75,000."

...

Meanwhile, records released by the Florida Attorney General's office show Fulton also filed a claim with the state's Bureau of Victim Compensation for emergency crime-victim assistance. The records show Fulton's claim was approved March 29.

Crump said the Martin family has not completed all the paperwork needed to get the funds, but if they do, they plan to donate the money to the foundation they created in their son's name to prevent gun violence.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me get the money Here we here we go dolla dolla bill y'all

Wu Tang, bitches!
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/09/13201091-zimmerman-attorney-plans-to-call-for-stand-your-ground-hearing?lite

too bad judges are elected in FL. No way he will dismiss it.
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Zimmerman Prosecutors In Huge Screw-Up


Photo of dead Trayvon Martin, college docs mistakenly released

AUGUST 9--In an embarrassing screw-up, Florida prosecutors today accidentally distributed a post-mortem photo of Trayvon Martin as well as copies of George Zimmerman’s college records, material that Florida law considers confidential and exempt from disclosure.

The documents were inadvertently included in supplemental discovery records distributed this morning by prosecutor Angela Corey’s office. The material was sent to a variety of media outlets, including TSG, that have paid fees to receive discovery provided by the government to Zimmerman’s lawyer.

The photocopied picture of Martin was one of three taken by an unnamed witness. The photo mistakenly released by Corey is a black and white copy of an image depicting the teenager lying face down on a lawn.

After distributing the picture, a Corey aide sent an e-mail to reporters noting that a “photo depicting the killing of a person” was “confidential and exempt” pursuant to state law.

Zimmerman’s Seminole State College of Florida records--61 pages in total--include his original application to the community college and his class transcripts. The documents detailed Zimmerman’s poor grades, which landed him on academic probation last year.

Zimmerman, who was studying for an associate degree in criminal justice, did not graduate last year due to a failed class. Following the February 26 shooting of the unarmed Martin, Zimmerman “was issued administrative withdrawals” for three classes in the Spring 2012 term “with no fees charged against his account.” (3 page)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/george-zimmerman-records-mistakenly-released-684512




Anyone care to bet that this was on purpose?
HockeyDad Offline
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Sounds like these might be the perfect people to find Obama's college records!
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HockeyDad wrote:
Sounds like these might be the perfect people to find Obama's college records!

Are they Democrats ?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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jetblasted wrote:
Are they Democrats ?



I dunno...but they did hide the Rose Law firm documents for quite a LONG time with the world searching for them!

They were found and turned over to the FBI...they put them in the Murrah federal building in OKC.
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Papachristou wrote:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/09/13201091-zimmerman-attorney-plans-to-call-for-stand-your-ground-hearing?lite

too bad judges are elected in FL. No way he will dismiss it.


How are comparable circuit court level judges put in office in your state?
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rfenst wrote:
How are comparable circuit court level judges put in office in your state?




Robert - our magistrate judges (lowest level handling low value civil, family law, probate, initial criminal hearings, and non-felony criminal) are appointed from a pool of applicants by a committee of the bar. every few years, they face a public retention vote. The district court (felony and large-dollar civil) are public election.
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Jojo, I can trust you.
How are things looking for the Aztec Jimmy Kimmel these days?
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