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borndead: You assume this election has a viable third party. I would be happy to vote for RP or someone else. Unfortunately, we don't have a choice this time around unless we take up arms and overthrow the government. I could always just do a write in but that doesn't accomplish much.

What are the handful of cigar smokers on this forum going to do? Where will your vote go? By not voting, what do you hope to accomplish? If you vote, where will it go?

Jerry is on fire!
I'm still voting RP.......

In other words, let's keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting things to change. Is that what you're saying?

My vote will probably go to Gary Johnson. And don't gimme that 'You're wasting your vote' or 'a vote for a 3rd party will help re-elect Obama' horses#it. We've already established that there's no difference between Romney and Obama. Why do you think people lovingly refer to Romney as "Obamney"? Voting for the same candidate every election is wasting your vote. Voting for "the lesser of 2 evils" is wasting your vote. A vote for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil. A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.

In other words, let's keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting things to change. Is that what you're saying?


My vote will probably go to Gary Johnson. And don't gimme that 'You're wasting your vote' or 'a vote for a 3rd party will help re-elect Obama' horses#it. We've already established that there's no difference between Romney and Obama. Why do you think people lovingly refer to Romney as "Obamney"? Voting for the same candidate every election is wasting your vote. Voting for "the lesser of 2 evils" is wasting your vote. A vote for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil. A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.

The views I'm shouting here are not anything original or new, and I'm far from the only person saying these things. So you give me too much credit...or ridicule in this case.


I'm a Libertarian and not quiet about it. I understand that not everyone is going to agree. I'm not sitting here saying, "If you don't agree with me, you're an idiot." I'm saying that if you keep voting Dem or Rep, even in the face of sooooooooo much evidence that they are one and the same on 90% of the issues, you are a sucker. And part of the problem.


Year after year, election after election, democrats, republicans, democrats, republicans, demublicans, republicrats....and where has it gotten us? Seriously, I want an answer.


We are engaged in perpetual war. Syria and Iran are next. I would bet money on it.
We are losing our civil liberties. Some very alarming legal precedents have been set in the past decade.
Our currency has been destroyed and our economy is in shambles. The dollar is on the verge of losing its status as world reserve currency.
Our national debt is at a point that it can never be paid off, not even close. Don't kid yourself.
We've lost our respect on the world stage.
Corporations write much of our regulatory policy.


I could go on and on, but I don't need to. You all know these things are true.

I'm not coming at this from a "I'm right, you're wrong" point of view. I am simply stating facts. Things are f**ked up, and we continue to put the same clowns in office. The only thing different is the color of their clown noses.

Look up the word " PRAGMATIST or PRAGMATISIM"

here I'll help..

Noun: pragmatist prag-mu-tist1.An adherent of philosophical pragmatism

2.A person who takes a practical approach to problems and is concerned primarily with the success or failure of their actions

Borndead1, how long were you w/o oxygen when you were born dead?

(j/k)



I can't say I disagree with you overall but what's the realistic alternative- more Obama? Romney = Obama
A wise man on these boards (until he jumped on the finger- pointing, racist- calling bandwagon) once said that the President was only one third of the solution, er, problem in this case. He can only do so much other than direct legislation. Perhaps, you should also look to finger point at the Supreme Court AND Congress as well, for all the failings which are apparently getting you perilously angry and/or depressed. Other than that, perhaps you should call Dr. Laura. (shrugging shoulders & blinking like a mental patient w/o a clue)

You're right. The President is not the king (but Bush and Obama have pushed things in that direction). But...the President does "set the tone". And that's very important.

You're right about the other branches of government, and my rants in this thread apply to them as well. I can't remember where I saw the poll, but the participants had a more favorable opinion of Charles Manson than they did of congress. That would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic and sad. And yet, people keep voting for the same clowns. It's amazing how much bipartisanship there is when it comes to screwing us all over.

Ask yourself this: If Dems and Reps are really so ideologically opposed to each other, why is it that every really BIG piece of legislation always miraculously seems to get passed? The Patriot Act, the bailouts, S-CHIP, war spending, foreign aid, corporate welfare, even Obamacare. Any piece of legislation that puts more power in the hands of government or takes power away from the people always gets passed somehow. Much smaller bills get blocked or fillibustered all the time.

But the President has a choice when dealing with the legislature. He can either sign or veto whatever they set on his desk.

Dude,,,
You dream of Utopia,,
Never gonna happen
Once everyone was give the vote all hope was lost.. Ever wonder why only landowners were allowed to vote early in our history ?
It was because the uneducated mob rarely knows best. We are not a direct democracy but a representative democracy as it should be.

Yes, the lesser of two evils is ALL average people can hope for now...

So waste your vote, feel righteous and give Obama another term...

But, legal weed will never happen in your lifetime

wheel,

1. Who said anything about Utopia? You really think that's what the Libertarian ideal is? LOL!

2. You go ahead and waste YOUR vote. I'm gonna stand for something instead.

3. Obama gets another term even if Romney is elected. Why is it so difficult to come to terms with the fact that they are nearly alike?

4. I don't smoke weed. But...I'm a man of compromise. I'd be happy with decriminalization for smokers and legalized hemp for industrial/energy purposes.

5. Feel free to start thinking about which 5 Habanos you're going to send me in November. No teeny tiny sticks either. And none of those rock solid tent pegs from "the wonder years".

Dad it's not easy defending socialism when you run outta other peoples money.......

One party rule is good business.....

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
I'm pretty much giving up on capitalism & free enterprise on a smaller level. Will (partially) transition into HD's globalist cone of protection/prosperity via health services- one of the few sectors thriving besides Government, repossession jobs, & pawn shops.

In other words, let's keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting things to change. Is that what you're saying?


My vote will probably go to Gary Johnson. And don't gimme that 'You're wasting your vote' or 'a vote for a 3rd party will help re-elect Obama' horses#it. We've already established that there's no difference between Romney and Obama. Why do you think people lovingly refer to Romney as "Obamney"? Voting for the same candidate every election is wasting your vote. Voting for "the lesser of 2 evils" is wasting your vote. A vote for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil. A vote for liberty is always a vote for liberty.

I'm gonna vote for Paul. Better than a Muslim or fake religion from Utah. As a bonus I know my guy will lose and I can can bitch about yours if he wins.

In this case losin is winnin.