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smokestaxx Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 1:55 AM EST
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Tatuaje La Verite. Or how ever you spell it...
Smoked 1 a while back and didnt enjoy it one bit. Especially for the price.
wapper2011 Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 2:03 AM EST
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Every Davidoff I've smoked has been a huge let down.
madspackler Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 9:12 AM EST
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Hoyo de Monterey Excalibur - hideous smoke. even tried a second one just to see if I got a runt from the first litter - only confirmed how awful they are.

Second worst was "gifted" to me from a co-worker in the office.He returned from Florida with a few cigars he purchased from a B&M claiming they were CC's. I know he paid a premium for them and he was so proud of what he believed he had scored. One glance and you knew they were machine rolled. The B&M owner must have seen him coming miles away. Not wanting to offend my friend, I suffered through one with him after lunch one day. Felt like I was smoking the NY Times. A few weeks later I showed him the errors of his ways and explained they were not cubans, especially as they had the pre-puched holes in the end. He took it well, especially after we shared two of the real deals.
sd72 Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 9:52 AM EST
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Nice play madspackler.
NJ Navy Chief Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 10:37 AM EST
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madspackler wrote:
Hoyo de Monterey Excalibur - hideous smoke. even tried a second one just to see if I got a runt from the first litter - only confirmed how awful they are.

Second worst was "gifted" to me from a co-worker in the office.He returned from Florida with a few cigars he purchased from a B&M claiming they were CC's. I know he paid a premium for them and he was so proud of what he believed he had scored. One glance and you knew they were machine rolled. The B&M owner must have seen him coming miles away. Not wanting to offend my friend, I suffered through one with him after lunch one day. Felt like I was smoking the NY Times. A few weeks later I showed him the errors of his ways and explained they were not cubans, especially as they had the pre-puched holes in the end. He took it well, especially after we shared two of the real deals.



And that is what a fine BOTL does to perpetuate our great way of life Applause Applause
jpellegrin Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 10:47 AM EST
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The Tat "Ghost" they should have kept the one invisible. Flat, flavourless and too tight a draw. Was like smoking a Marlboro!
critter2 Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 10:49 AM EST
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i don't know where to begin.......
sd72 Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 10:51 AM EST
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I had the same experience. Yet some say it was one of the greatest tats ever.

Musta been a bad batch out there that me and you got. Too many people have called it a flavor bomb, and all I got was Marlboro light.

deadeyedick Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 11:22 AM EST
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Undercrown - If you can get them for 1/2 price they may be okay but still meh

Tat Black Tubo - Years of age but it just never came around to anything near the original blacks

Vieja 15 Anni - Only had one acrid bomb and afraid to try another

DED
leftyposthole Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 11:31 AM EST
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So I guess those Viaje's are not on your Christmas list Rick
Stinkdyr Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 1:16 PM EST
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Yoda says,


"The list long, it is.......hmmmmm"


Basically to me, any cigar that anyone overhypes or costs more than $10 begins the long slippery slide down the disappointment slope.

Herfing
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 1:19 PM EST
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Philly Jack wrote:
Yeah what he said and I would never buy one from here because they are CI reproductions and fakes.
CI buys bands and makes one off reproductions Gray Cliff, Gurkha, and others



Or, like many other industries, we license the name and have a cigar manufacturer make a product where we use that name. What you're suggesting is a little bit illegal (Sarcasm) and could cost us much more than we'd make throwing bands we 'bought' and put on cigars.

The folks you mention here attend CIGARFest every year. I think that if we stole their name to put on 'one off reproductions' they'd be a little less likely to make nice with us.
jpellegrin Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 3:00 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Outta touch I guess....Haven't had enough new ones to know what's disappointing....d'oh!



Bomb FGM!!!
GrayBeard2 Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 3:22 PM EST
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Every one I thought might be a hidden gem. Any one can buy a great bottle of wine for $100, to find a really good one at a decent price is the trick. The same goes for cigars. There aren't any really good cigars for $1-$3 out there.
knokmdwn Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 4:31 PM EST
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GrayBeard2 wrote:
Every one I thought might be a hidden gem. Any one can buy a great bottle of wine for $100, to find a really good one at a decent price is the trick. The same goes for cigars. There aren't any really good cigars for $1-$3 out there.




Very well said.

Cigar smokers can kid themselves that the $3 stick they are smoking is great but pretty much you get what you pay for with cigars (with a few rare exceptions). The only reason a $3 stick is great is because people won't let themselves enjoy spending a bit more money for the enjoyment of a better quality cigar.
z6joker9 Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 4:39 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Tat Black Tubo - Years of age but it just never came around to anything near the original blacks


I was really hoping for more from this stick too!
sd72 Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 4:42 PM EST
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Crystal baller
TrishS@CigarBid Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 4:43 PM EST
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But those lower-priced cigars aren't necessarily a huge letdown. If I spent $100/stick for a cigar, it would have to do laundry and housework for it to NOT be a huge letdown. But a cigar that I only spend $5 or $6 for could be extremely enjoyable because my expectations aren't as high.
sd72 Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 4:46 PM EST
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Never settle.
tailgater Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 5:14 PM EST
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knokmdwn wrote:
Very well said.

Cigar smokers can kid themselves that the $3 stick they are smoking is great but pretty much you get what you pay for with cigars (with a few rare exceptions). The only reason a $3 stick is great is because people won't let themselves enjoy spending a bit more money for the enjoyment of a better quality cigar.


I mean this in the least offensive means possible, but that's both presumptuous and pretentious.

My favorite cigar is a Padron Anniversary '64.
Every size has made me say wow.

But if I'm reading a book in my garage at the end of the day, I often prefer a nice corona like AJ Fernandez PA or the Diesel brand.
When I say prefer, I mean that I'd rather smoke these than my favorite. Because the moment is about the book/drink/cigar combo. And the '64 commands too much attention to my palette and to my person.

It's jsut like a wine.
That $100 bottle is perfect for a romantic evening or a fine dinner or a quiet evening with friends.
But if you're gnawing on a capicola and prociutto panini, a moderately priced chianti is a BETTER choice in my opinion.

And that's the only opinion that matters when it comes to knowing what I do and don't enjoy.
It has nothing to do with "letting myself enjoy spending more"

tailgater Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 5:15 PM EST
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almost forgot^

Sick
sd72 Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 5:22 PM EST
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Sounds like a good sammich. No sweet capicola though, hot. And the good prociutto too
dpnewell Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 5:42 PM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
Or, like many other industries, we license the name and have a cigar manufacturer make a product where we use that name. What you're suggesting is a little bit illegal (Sarcasm) and could cost us much more than we'd make throwing bands we 'bought' and put on cigars.

The folks you mention here attend CIGARFest every year. I think that if we stole their name to put on 'one off reproductions' they'd be a little less likely to make nice with us.


Trish,
I don't think Philly Jack or any of us here (yes I made a joke about a photo once, but it was only a joke) think you counterfeit cigars. I'm sure you've bought the legal rights to everything you have made to your specs. You also have the right to change the blend, or even if you keep the blend the same, use tobacco of your own specifications. You've bought the rights to the label, and you can do with it as you please.

What upsets Jack, myself and many others here, is when you buy a label, have it made to your specs, and then pass it off as the original. Yes, the label may have won a 93 rating, but the new version you're selling did not. When you claim it did, or imply that your re-blend is the original, then you are being dishonest, and disrespectful to your customers. This is not aimed at you or Steve, but whoever is making the decision to misrepresent these new blends. I for one shy away from anything that all of a sudden shows up here, and I know others do to. As word of this practice gets out to the cigar community, CI's reputation is damaged. You may have more business then you can handle right now, but this industry goes in cycles, and there will eventually be a slow down. When this slow down comes, this practice may very well come back to bite you. CI is not my business, and I can't tell you how to run it, but you should be concerned with how your customer base perceives you. Again, this is just my opinion, but I know many others who share it.
dpnewell Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 5:52 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I mean this in the least offensive means possible, but that's both presumptuous and pretentious.

My favorite cigar is a Padron Anniversary '64.
Every size has made me say wow.

But if I'm reading a book in my garage at the end of the day, I often prefer a nice corona like AJ Fernandez PA or the Diesel brand.
When I say prefer, I mean that I'd rather smoke these than my favorite. Because the moment is about the book/drink/cigar combo. And the '64 commands too much attention to my palette and to my person.

It's jsut like a wine.
That $100 bottle is perfect for a romantic evening or a fine dinner or a quiet evening with friends.
But if you're gnawing on a capicola and prociutto panini, a moderately priced chianti is a BETTER choice in my opinion.

And that's the only opinion that matters when it comes to knowing what I do and don't enjoy.
It has nothing to do with "letting myself enjoy spending more"



I totally agree with you TG. When I'm reading a book, which I do most of the time I'm smoking, a PAM 64 or LP would be a total waste. When I'm cutting the grass, or loading the truck, even a moderate smoke like a Ruination or EPC would be a waste. When I smoke something great, I want to be able to sit and do nothing but experience the cigar, which doesn't happen all that often.
leftyposthole Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 7:30 PM EST
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It happens alot, but I will never understand why a company, not just cigars, buys another company who is making a good product that people like and sells well and the first thing they do is change or cheapen the product. I guess it depends on your motive for buying the company. If it is to eliminate some of your competition then I understand it. As soon as people realise its not the same then it soon goes away. If it is because its a good product it does not make any sense to try and cut corners to enhance the bottom line. As Dave said it will come back to bite you.
calavera Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 8:11 PM EST
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Every tatuaje I have had has been a letdown. Not that they are bad, but rather that they are so mediocre.

All Fuentes other than opus and vsg that I have had have been disappointing too.

Never been let down by padron.






J
Philly Jack Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 9:07 PM EST
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TrishS@CigarBid wrote:
Or, like many other industries, we license the name and have a cigar manufacturer make a product where we use that name. What you're suggesting is a little bit illegal (Sarcasm) and could cost us much more than we'd make throwing bands we 'bought' and put on cigars.

The folks you mention here attend CIGARFest every year. I think that if we stole their name to put on 'one off reproductions' they'd be a little less likely to make nice with us.

Lets take the Graycliff 1966 I ordered a five pack it came all warped in celleo but there was a piece of paper in the pack made in Honduras but the bands still say made in Bahamas??? I contacted Graycliff via twitter and they had told me CI bought the rights to the Cigar band and made it themselves. Slightly False advertising Hand made in the Bahamas band but really made in Honduras??? Gurkha Beauty this is a direct quote form them via Gurkha web site "Only 500 boxes in the world. The wrapper is the best of the best, a 7 year old CT Ecuadorian. While the Beast is more full body, the Beauty is a medium at best. hence, The Beauty and the Beast. Beauty is in a box of 25 upright smoked glass tubes. " Now if this is true how do you have these all the time if only 500 boxes were made and can sell a 10 pack for $49 when originally it came in a glass tube and cost $30 for one. It is not the same cigar.
sd72 Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 9:07 PM EST
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Maybe Gurkha ^^ CAO post general? WOAM no good? Wow.
stogiemonger Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 9:16 PM EST
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I know many here love 'em, but, I'd say OMB3 was a big let down for me. I like everything Oliva, except this cigar. Tried a few of them, I'd say I even wanted to like them, but, Meh. I know' I know!
jpellegrin Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 10:23 PM EST
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Very interesting thread....this is the kind of information that is truly needed! Not how to light, smoke or put out your cigar but rather what is crap and who is fooling who. That is definetly some shady azz practices. So I assume those people that are venting dont buy CI or Cbid but love the forums.
leftyposthole Offline
#81 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 10:45 PM EST
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I buy from here all the time, but only the stuff I am pretty sure they have not screwed with. We had this discussion about a year ago on the beauty and the beast. It was amazing to me how many on this forum, did not believe it, or thought some had an axe to grind of some sort, or just thought we were crazy. Back then even the picture of the Beauty showed them in a glass tube, but it clearly was not the same cigar when you got it.
engletl Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 11:17 PM EST
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stogiemonger wrote:
I know many here love 'em, but, I'd say OMB3 was a big let down for me. I like everything Oliva, except this cigar. Tried a few of them, I'd say I even wanted to like them, but, Meh. I know' I know!


MB1 was the best of the bunch IMO
dpnewell Offline
#83 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 11:35 PM EST
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jpellegrin wrote:
Very interesting thread....this is the kind of information that is truly needed! Not how to light, smoke or put out your cigar but rather what is crap and who is fooling who. That is definetly some shady azz practices. So I assume those people that are venting dont buy CI or Cbid but love the forums.


Just like Lefty, I buy the vast majority of my smokes here, and give Cbid thousands of dollars a year. Most of the stuff offered here are the real deal. Many of the CI owned re-blends are still very good smokes, just not the same as the orignals. Others are outright dog rockets. Don't believe a single word of the hype in the ad copy. If something looks too good to be true, it usually is. If in doubt, buy a couple singles or a 5ver first and give them a try. If you like them, then it really doesn't matter if CI now owns the label or not.

BTW, if I'm not posting tomorrow, you'll know that I finally made the chit list.
dpnewell Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Dec 19 2012, 11:37 PM EST
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stogiemonger wrote:
I know many here love 'em, but, I'd say OMB3 was a big let down for me. I like everything Oliva, except this cigar. Tried a few of them, I'd say I even wanted to like them, but, Meh. I know' I know!


I like the MB3, but I guess that's why there's chocolate and vanilla. To me it's the closest thing to a "poor man's" PAM 64. Guess that's why I have serveral dozen of them.
leftyposthole Offline
#85 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 12:42 AM EST
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DP said: BTW, if I'm not posting tomorrow, you'll know that I finally made the chit list.

That makes two of us
delta1 Offline
#86 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 1:42 AM EST
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Nah, they won't mess with you guys. You are long-time loyal paying customers who were invited to speak your mind, and when you're here, you're not looking at the pretty things at the other stores. Truth wins, and will set you free.

I was curious about the difference between a CI licensed product and an "authentic" one, and did a side by side taste test of a Graycliff Crystal bought for $22 at the local and one bought from CI. There were differences, the real deal was better, both were very good, and I didn't think the real deal was worth 3-4 times the cash. I still buy the CI Crystal.

As for the biggest let down...when I first joined, guys were going gaga over the Tat Miami. I went to the local and dropped $12 + tax on one. Didn't enjoy that one at all.
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#87 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 9:43 AM EST
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Interesting how this went off topic, but answered questions for me. We've all heard so many comments about "internet cigars". Well it's official, they aren't the same. Buy the rights to the label and make your own "legal knock-offs".

Years ago people bought Oldsmobiles, then people found out that GM was putting Chevrolet engines in them instead of Oldsmobile engines.

Now there are no more Oldsmobiles. Kind of like buying a diamond ring and finding out the diamond really isn't a diamond, but a Zircon.

So, now the question becomes, When bidding on CBid am I bidding on the "Real Thing" or a kinda of the same/knock off?

And, if anyone is going to get a time out I would guess it's going to be me. Buyer beware.
tonycsmoke Offline
#88 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 10:11 AM EST
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knokmdwn wrote:
Very well said.

Cigar smokers can kid themselves that the $3 stick they are smoking is great but pretty much you get what you pay for with cigars (with a few rare exceptions). The only reason a $3 stick is great is because people won't let themselves enjoy spending a bit more money for the enjoyment of a better quality cigar.



Oh I think you that with both wine and cigars its easy to get caught up in the BS. While there is a quality difference, the correlation between price and quality is not as high as some would make it out. Not to mention there are not as many cigars as cigar brands. The very same cigars are rolled, some go into a box and some into a bundle and priced accordingly.

Some of the best smokes IMO are in the $5 -$7 retail range. Such as Oliva and Torano that just produce solid smokes without all the "Over two years were put into the creation of this blend" with" tobacco so rare that its stored in a vault."

jpellegrin Offline
#89 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 2:36 PM EST
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First and last time i smoke an Erin Blows irish wiskey
sd72 Offline
#90 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 2:51 PM EST
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If it's in the CI catalogue, and not on the page with don Carlos and San cristobol, and some of those too, ask first jpell.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#91 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 2:52 PM EST
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jpellegrin wrote:
First and last time i smoke an Erin Blows irish wiskey



Instead of calling them "sticks" you should call them "$hit"!
lgops Offline
#92 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 3:28 PM EST
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jpellegrin wrote:
First and last time i smoke an Erin Blows irish wiskey


Guess it don't age well.... had a year on it. sorry bro.d'oh!
stogiefan Offline
#93 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 5:20 PM EST
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knokmdwn wrote:
Very well said.

Cigar smokers can kid themselves that the $3 stick they are smoking is great but pretty much you get what you pay for with cigars (with a few rare exceptions). The only reason a $3 stick is great is because people won't let themselves enjoy spending a bit more money for the enjoyment of a better quality cigar.


You get what you pay for to a point. Others you are paying strictly on reputation of the brand and their marketing tricks. I personally like the $5-$10/cigar range. In that range I generally feel that most of the time I will get a stick I will likely enjoy and feel like I got value. In the $20+ range it gets more dicey for me. Sure there are some definite smokes that justify their higher price tag but there is also a higher probability that many will not meet my expectations.
leftyposthole Offline
#94 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 5:24 PM EST
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I say smoke what you like and send the rest to Cam
Philly Jack Offline
#95 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 6:03 PM EST
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I like Dave buy a lot of cigars from here and most are true and genuine. But I dislike the denial when they get caught dead to rights and I steer clear of certain brands here yes I want a bargain but I don't want to get burned expecting one and disappointed because it didn't live up to the hype because it was made as a value version. Don't sell me a Porsche with a VW Bug engine it's like the guys in NYC who try to sell you Rolex watches for $20 look real enough but turn your wrist green and are only have the right time twice a day.
dubleuhb Offline
#96 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 6:27 PM EST
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Smoked Andre's new Candy Cane on the way to work. Hey Andre, how about letting that baccy age a bit before rolling it up, what a turd!
jpellegrin Offline
#97 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2012, 6:34 PM EST
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lgops wrote:
Guess it don't age well.... had a year on it. sorry bro.d'oh!


No worries man....you have nothing to be sorry for! Just not my thing, like the tat ghost, oliva O and others. I am grateful for the PIB that you sent. You actually did me a favor.....and spent your money instead of mine. Herfing BigGrin
nolen Offline
#98 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2012, 9:00 AM EST
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I've tried to like Torano's, but just can't quite pull it off.
dpnewell Offline
#99 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2012, 9:02 AM EST
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nolen wrote:
I've tried to like Torano's, but just can't quite pull it off.


Which ones have you tried?
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#100 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2012, 9:45 PM EST
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Acid Kuba Kuba . . . it was like smoking tasteless air
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