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Brendan992 Offline
#101 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2012, 10:13 PM EST
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Thread turned highly educational and now I'm left a little paranoid. I have bought lots of cigars off CI and wonder how many were originals and how many are bogus. Frankly, if I knew that CI bought the rights to produce their own, under the licensed brand, I would have never purchased them, no matter what kind of deal I was getting. I want to avoid this kind of buy at all cost. I just purchased 3 fivers of Padilla Dominus Robustos off here and now I want to know if they're the real deal or not. Anyone with an answer?
dpnewell Offline
#102 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2012, 11:18 PM EST
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^I think you misunderstood. CI sometimes buys retired labels and reintroduces them as the originals. They also have exclusive lines made just for them (as do other cigar retailers). As far as we know, they do not make, or have made, their own version of general release current production sticks like the Dominus. If a "Padilla" stick shows up here that isn't available anywhere else, or hasn't been around for a while, then you should show caution. Also, if a size shows up here that you can't get anywhere else, you may want to give it a try before buying a box. No one is saying that CI "counterfeits" cigars in any way.
delta1 Offline
#103 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2012, 11:24 PM EST
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that dpnewell still buys cigars from here speaks volumes...In dpnewell we trust. Brendan, you should've been around here when he advised us about the LPH Morados...what a frenzy, and justifiably so.
Brendan992 Offline
#104 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2012, 11:50 PM EST
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Philly Jack wrote:
Lets take the Graycliff 1966 I ordered a five pack it came all warped in celleo but there was a piece of paper in the pack made in Honduras but the bands still say made in Bahamas??? I contacted Graycliff via twitter and they had told me CI bought the rights to the Cigar band and made it themselves. Slightly False advertising Hand made in the Bahamas band but really made in Honduras??? Gurkha Beauty this is a direct quote form them via Gurkha web site "Only 500 boxes in the world. The wrapper is the best of the best, a 7 year old CT Ecuadorian. While the Beast is more full body, the Beauty is a medium at best. hence, The Beauty and the Beast. Beauty is in a box of 25 upright smoked glass tubes. " Now if this is true how do you have these all the time if only 500 boxes were made and can sell a 10 pack for $49 when originally it came in a glass tube and cost $30 for one. It is not the same cigar.


This is what I mean...this seems pretty shady.
leftyposthole Offline
#105 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2012, 11:51 PM EST
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So what word do you put on it when a company buys the rights to a cigar label, LPH, Ghurka Beauty etc. advertises it as the same cigar with the same ratings, shows a picture of it as it was originally produced, same box, same glass tube, says it is a thirty dollar retail smoke like the original, but it clearly is not. just what do you call it. Don't say good marketing. Frankly I am surprised some starving lawyer has not sued the pants off them.
delta1 Offline
#106 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 1:54 AM EST
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In the music industry, "cover." Some versions are as good, most aren't, but once in awhile...Linda Ronstadt's cover of "Blue Bayou"
wapper2011 Offline
#107 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 2:27 AM EST
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If you like it smoke it. Some guy could be rolling cigars under a freeway in Cleveland, wouldn't matter to me as long as there good. But I hear ya on the playing off that its something that its really not.
ZRX1200 Offline
#108 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 3:13 AM EST
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Cake ~ "I will Survive"
Mr. Bungle ~ "Stroke"



Good covers.
dpnewell Offline
#109 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 7:48 AM EST
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Brendan,
If you check Gerkhas web site, you'll find that the Beauty is no longer listed as a current production cigar. As I said, when out of production cigars show up here cheap, you should show caution. I have no concern at all about general release current production sticks like the Dominus you asked about. In fact I have a couple dozen that I won here.
Philly Jack Offline
#110 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 9:40 AM EST
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Brendan992 wrote:
This is what I mean...this seems pretty shady.

Yeah but if you look it originally came in one size per the web site butif you go to CI that size if very expensive and now there are three other sizes and cheaper that get no mention on gurkha website
Brendan992 Offline
#111 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 3:55 PM EST
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I am seeing that it pays to become worldly in the cigar world and as it stands, I am the equivalent of an Amish 10 year old. I must leave the Amish community and see the world for what it is. I am self-prescribing 2 hours of forum lurking.
Bur Offline
#112 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 4:49 PM EST
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Rumspringa-dor?
nnightmar Offline
#113 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 5:05 PM EST
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This GOF Carlito sucks then again I think it might be a fake...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#114 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 7:45 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
In the music industry, "cover." Some versions are as good, most aren't, but once in awhile...Linda Ronstadt's cover of "Blue Bayou"



Devo - Satisfaction

Take Me To The River - Talking Heads

SRV - Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)

RHCP - Higher Ground

Van Halen - You Really Got Me

Jimi Hendrix - All Along The Watchtower

Led Zeppelin - Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You

Cream - Born Under A Bad Sign

Heard It Through The Grapevine - CCR

With A Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker

Love In Vain - The Rolling Stones

Real Wild Child - Iggy Pop

Signs - Tesla


Whistle
tyyler82 Offline
#115 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 8:00 PM EST
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Nice jams^^
sd72 Offline
#116 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 8:06 PM EST
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Cover. Chris Cornell - Billie jean
tyyler82 Offline
#117 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 8:41 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr9ayIJ_VVc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hdmlCXc7oU
Bur Offline
#118 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 9:21 PM EST
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Hurt - Johnny Cash, so good, and such a JC type song folks still don't believe he didn't write it
ZRX1200 Offline
#119 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 10:17 PM EST
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Take this job and shove it ~ Johnny Paycheck


Fugger stole it from D.A.C
ZRX1200 Offline
#120 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 10:23 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT04SWtJ6bA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
ZRX1200 Offline
#121 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 11:05 PM EST
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Another let down cigar for me was LFD Airbender.
Bur Offline
#122 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 11:18 PM EST
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Wasn't D A C also making bigger bucks as a songwriter and being accused of covering "other artists' songs" in his live shows? Laughing all the way to the bank...
King Offline
#123 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012, 11:18 PM EST
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Agreed^^^

Was nothing but strength Zero flavor!
Campage Offline
#124 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:43 AM EST
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+1 bur- Hurt by cash is the Chit! That song has been my walk-out music for years. Great, great song.
Whistlebritches Offline
#125 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 12:12 PM EST
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After giving this some serious thought I have arrived at the conclusion that overall anything LP(Drew Estate)has done nothing but underwhelmed me personally.I really was expecting something PHENOMINAL after all the hype.Just more $3-4 cigars hyped to the hilt to command their $10+ status. A true disappointment of monumental proportions IMHO.


Ron
jpellegrin Offline
#126 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 12:20 PM EST
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The Cohbia Red Dot.....what a total waste of my time. Flat, flat, flat, flat. For the price and the hype I was expecting my mouth to sing Halejuiha!! How dissapointing. Maybe the CC's are better, but with my limited expouser to CC's I am thinking not. I sometimes think people are fooling themselves because CC's are a forbidden fruit, so to speak. Oh Well, this is just one man's opinion.

Good Puffing My Friends!
leftyposthole Offline
#127 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 1:58 PM EST
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The two Cohibas are nothing alike, although the ones from the ISOM are way overpriced
Whistlebritches Offline
#128 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 4:17 PM EST
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leftyposthole wrote:
The two Cohibas are nothing alike, although the ones from the ISOM are way overpriced


I wouldn't necessarily say that....Most can be had for $10-12 a stick(if you purchase by the box).Thats less than a lot of domestically available's that taste like schit.They're certainly not the best Cuban value either......but I can honestly say I've never had a plugged and or underfilled Cohiba.Their construction is second to none.

Comparing Cohiba's to those red dot wannabes is the epitome of ignorance.I can think of no 2 similarly named cigars that could be farther apart.


Ron
jpellegrin Offline
#129 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 4:49 PM EST
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red dot wannabes is the epitome of ignorance

why do i have to be ingnorant? I was not comparing, I was wondering. I also stated that I have yet to have the CC Cohbia and if I were to purchase a CC cohbia it would be the belkie, but I have had quite a few CC's and although very good nothing like the hype that surrounds them.
ZRX1200 Offline
#130 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 4:51 PM EST
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He was talking about the red dots not you.


Breath ...........
jpellegrin Offline
#131 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 4:52 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
He was talking about the red dots not you.


Breath ...........



sorry, I am on my period.
leftyposthole Offline
#132 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 5:14 PM EST
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Most of the bros. on here J. that love CC's also have to age them a minimum, depending on the cigar, of two years, in some cases much longer, which makes the smoke much better. So in most cases if the ones you have had were not set down for a long nap they were probably just average at best. I, on the other hand, seek instant gratification. I lack both the patiance and probably time left on this earth to wait for a CC to reach maturity. The last thing I want to do is age a bunch of cigars and then drop dead and let some other ol fart like Ron enjoy the fruits of my labor. Besides that ol fart has more smokes than he will ever be able to smoke anyway. Merry Christmas Ron.............................................
Shugabayer Offline
#133 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 6:07 PM EST
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This info on in house reproductions is just a little upsetting for me. As a newbie I thought that I may be getting a taste of a super premium while geting a great price, I have liked most of the Black Pearl line, and the Beauty from Gurkha. Only to find that I haven't received the genuine arcticle. How is someone like me supposed to know? I assume you guys know the difference, but how can I? Disappointed to say the least. Questioning ever doing business with y'all ever again. I feel lied to plain and simple. I thank you guys for the heads up. If that's the case I'll buy from famous and I know their knock offs are just that , because their house blends aren't offered anywhere else. Have a merry christmas and I will be calling cust service to cancel my last order. :-( I got a box of 2007's and I see a definite difference. In my niavety I thought it was just needed some humi time. Now I know they will never reach those flavors. Misrepresentation is not cool. I sell Toyotas, and when you buy one you know what you are getting. I feel like I've been duped, plain and simple.
If this is your normal practice then we are done.
Shug
Whistlebritches Offline
#134 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 6:14 PM EST
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leftyposthole wrote:
Most of the bros. on here J. that love CC's also have to age them a minimum, depending on the cigar, of two years, in some cases much longer, which makes the smoke much better. So in most cases if the ones you have had were not set down for a long nap they were probably just average at best. I, on the other hand, seek instant gratification. I lack both the patiance and probably time left on this earth to wait for a CC to reach maturity. The last thing I want to do is age a bunch of cigars and then drop dead and let some other ol fart like Ron enjoy the fruits of my labor. Besides that ol fart has more smokes than he will ever be able to smoke anyway. Merry Christmas Ron.............................................



Right back at you Brother...................


Ron
Brendan992 Offline
#135 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 6:53 PM EST
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I bought 20 Graycliff G2 turbos Edicion Limitada 2010 toros from CI...are these the real deal, or are they the product of CI getting the licensed nod to produce them? Can someone please educate a cigar-newb. I'd really appreciate it.
bassman45 Offline
#136 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 8:21 PM EST
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JennaR@cigarbid wrote:
What cigar have you got that has been a total disappointment?



Jenna,you see what you startedFrying pan ?Besides 98.5% of internet cigars are fake anywayAnxious
RWhisenand Offline
#137 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 9:10 PM EST
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Cabaiguan, I generally like Tatuaje's so I gave these a try. I don't think they have any taste at all, just some bitter aftertaste.

When I started off in the hobby, I tried my share of 5 Vegas, Gurkas, Caos and Rocky Patels. Besides the 5 Vegas Miami, I now steer clear of these smokes, but they really didn't let me down as I was just too new to cigars to have an opinion yet.
crgcpro Offline
#138 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 9:24 PM EST
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^^^ I agree RW. I didn't enjoy the Cabaiguan either. I have some resting that I'll try again at a later day though.
nnightmar Offline
#139 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 9:49 PM EST
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Somebody should send me one of those well aged Cohiba CCs so I can see what all the fuss is about...
jimbud Offline
#140 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 9:52 PM EST
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I gotta say, PSD4 from Dec 2010. Terrible. Have had three from the 5 I bought.
crgcpro Offline
#141 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 10:00 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
I gotta say, PSD4 from Dec 2010. Terrible. Have had three from the 5 I bought.


I have part of cabs from "09" and "10" that are really smoking great. Let me send you a couple to see if you just got a bad batch. This is one of the few CC's that you rarely hear anything bad about including the fresh ones.

Pro
Whistlebritches Offline
#142 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 10:05 PM EST
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jimbud wrote:
I gotta say, PSD4 from Dec 2010. Terrible. Have had three from the 5 I bought.



IMHO the PSD4 is a great cigar,however young yes they are almost unsmokable and can be horrid.With age these are one of the most amazing sticks coming out of Cuba.The odd thing is I've had some shine by year 2......and others took 4.I think I have some buried from 09 that weren't ready last time I checked.........going on a dive sooooooon.


Ron
Whistlebritches Offline
#143 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 10:07 PM EST
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nnightmar wrote:
Somebody should send me one of those well aged Cohiba CCs so I can see what all the fuss is about...



Be careful what you wish for..............................


Ron
nnightmar Offline
#144 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 10:14 PM EST
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You don't scare me Ron!
Whistlebritches Offline
#145 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:00 PM EST
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nnightmar wrote:
You don't scare me Ron!


Oh no you dittunt........................


Ron
nnightmar Offline
#146 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:02 PM EST
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Yes, I did. Been wanting your address for a while IF YOU DARE!
ZRX1200 Offline
#147 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:14 PM EST
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Ron can't send to the right address anyhow BJ
Whistlebritches Offline
#148 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:26 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Ron can't send to the right address anyhow BJ


You azzwipe..................


Ron
ZRX1200 Offline
#149 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:28 PM EST
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Indeed! Ask around......
jpellegrin Offline
#150 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:39 PM EST
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RWhisenand wrote:
Cabaiguan, I generally like Tatuaje's so I gave these a try. I don't think they have any taste at all, just some bitter aftertaste.

When I started off in the hobby, I tried my share of 5 Vegas, Gurkas, Caos and Rocky Patels. Besides the 5 Vegas Miami, I now steer clear of these smokes, but they really didn't let me down as I was just too new to cigars to have an opinion yet.



I like most of the CAO line. The VR Fathom Five are quite good IMO
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