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Pope is resigning 2/28/13 (ok to post on politics board?)
teedubbya Offline
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all kidding aside, a more balanced take than my own. If the Jews are cool with him I should be too

Feb. 12, 2013— abcnews.go.com

Pope Urged Beatification of Pope Pius XII, Silent on Holocaust

When Benedict XVI ascended to the papacy after the death of Pope John Paul II in 2005, world Jewish leaders were nervous about the new German-born pope.

Joseph Ratzinger had joined the Hitler youth as a 14-year-old and went on to serve in the German military, as 6 million Jews were sent off to the death camps. Though Benedict was eventually exonerated and even embraced by Jews -- he called the Holocaust a "dark time" in his life -- his German past continued to haunt him.

"When he was elected pope a lot of alarm bells went off in the Jewish community," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, who had a one-hour private audience with Benedict when he became pope. "First, it was about the Nazi aspect."

Pope Benedict XVI Resigns, First in Six Centuries

The Wiesenthal Center launched an investigation into Benedict's role in the Third Reich only to discover the Ratzingers came from a family of anti-Nazis, with no hint of antisemitism.

"The fact that he was in the Hitler youth -- if you were a young child during the Third Reich and you didn't go, you'd be condemned," said Hier. "He didn't volunteer. That's not a blemish. We've done a bunch of research, and that should be very clear."

But the role of the Catholic Church and most particularly the silence of Pope Pius XII, who served from 1939 to 1958, as millions went off to the gas chambers has dogged Benedict, despite being viewed as a friend by those who are Jewish.

Both Pope John Paul II and Benedict pushed for Pius to gain sainthood. In 2009, as Pius moved toward beatification, the Vatican issued a statement that the church was looking at his "Christian life" as a whole and not "the historical impact of all his operative decisions," according to The New York Times.

Moving Pius toward sainthood "is in no way to be read as a hostile act towards the Jewish people, and it is to be hoped that it will not be considered as an obstacle on the path of dialogue between Judaism and the Catholic Church," wrote the Rev. Federico Lombardi, a Vatican spokesman.

"Pope Pius XII didn't care much about Jews. He was the pope of silence," said Hier.

"They say [Pius] looked at Hitler as a mad man, and if he had opposed him publicly, it would have destroyed the Catholic Church. It was against everything the Christian Church stands for," said Hier.

"In Auschwitz, ten to fifteen thousand people were gassed every day," he said. "Priests and local parishes knew what was happening and the bishops reported to the Vatican."

The Vatican has always denied that Pius ignored the plight of the Jews and Benedict said the Pius worked "secretly and silently" to help Jews.

Surprising Facts About Pope Benedict XVI

In 2007, Jewish leaders criticized Benedict for lifting restrictions on the old form of Latin mass, which included prayers for Jews to "be delivered from their darkness" and converted to Catholicism.

According to press reports at the time, Benedict said he had decided to allow celebration of the traditional mass if a "stable group of faithful" requested it. The more liberal Second Vatican Council had allowed mass to be performed in vernacular languages in the 1960s.

Matthew Bunson, editor of The Catholic Almanac and Catholic Answer magazine and author of the first English-language biography on Benedict, "We Have a Pope! Benedict XVI," said the pope had been a "source of controversy and investigation and initially made the world Jewish community uncomfortable."

"But today Jewish leaders have a solidified and strong relationship with the head of the Catholic Church," he said.

For most of his papacy, Benedict has spoken little about his past.

During much of the Third Reich, he lived with his family in the small, Catholic town of Traunstein, Germany, not far from the part of Austria where Hitler was born.

"So much of that colored almost every aspect of his life," said Bunson. "He grew up within the sound of church bells in the valleys. He went to mass on Sundays. His entire family life was Catholic and he spoke of the beauty of the church liturgies and the mass." His father, who was in local government service, resisted the Nazis and, as a result, the Ratzingers kept a "low profile," according to Bunson, who has plans to write another biography when Benedict's successor is known. No one in the family ever joined the Nazi party.

"He understood very quickly that he was asked to do things he could not in his conscience do," he said. "They had to move because of pressure to conform to the Nazi party and the whole ideology of the period. That, combined with his own Catholic experience, made him very opposed to the ideology of the Nazis."

Ratzinger entered a preparatory seminary for the priesthood in 1939, but joined the Hitler Youth at the age of 14 when it became mandatory in 1941.

"He wrote about the disgust he had -- the exercises they had to go through and the expectation placed upon them," Bunson said of the Hitler Youth.

He and his fellow seminarians were drafted into the Nazi's anti-aircraft corps in 1943. A year later, he was drafted into the regular military, then was sent home. He was called up once more, but deserted in 1945, and was captured by U.S. soldiers and held for several months as a prisoner of war. He was only 18 when the war ended.

Young Ratzinger had already "heard the call of the priesthood," according to Bunson.

After Ratzinger deserted the military, he hid to escape the Gestapo units which were "rounding up deserters and shooting or hanging them," he said. Fortunately, he was captured by the American forces and spent time in an internment camp in southern Germany.

"What is interesting is that this was his first experience dealing with Americans and he later wrote about that," said Bunson. "He found Americans very easy to get along with, very impressed with them and, in a way, it laid the groundwork for his high opinion of the United States."

Bunson noted that Catholic priests were also condemned to concentration camps and many worked to hide Jews.

But in 1998, Pope John Paul II apologized for some Catholic participation in the Holocaust, which set the stage for closer ties between the church and the Jewish community.

"Then Cardinal Ratzinger was one of the most warmly received elections in recent years from many in the Jewish community," he said. "He's such a known quantity to them. He has traveled extensively and is friends with many Jewish leaders around the world." . Benedict's legacy included two achievements "worthy of mention" that Jewish groups applauded and confirmed his standing as a friend, according to Hier of the Wiesenthal Center.

On Dec. 3, 1993 John Paul II recognized the state of Israel, a move that would not have been possible without a "nod" from Benedict, then the cardinal in charge of theology, according to Hier.

"When John Paul II broke with a 2000-year tradition of the church, that Jews would be eternally punished for their refusal to recognize Christ and it would therefore be impossible for the state of Israel to be born, he was in direct contravention to punishment," said Hier. "He had to get the nod from Ratzinger who was the major theologian and at the time in charge of Catholic doctrine."

"Ratzinger said that the score would be settled in the end of time," said Hier. "This was very important."

In his memoir, Benedict also dispelled traditional thinking that Jews were complicit in the death of Christ.

"That has the imprimatur of a pope," said Hier. "One hundred years from now, a pope who wrote a book on the subject will be an important achievement in Catholic-Jewish relations."



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daveincincy Offline
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Give me that old time religion! (old time religion)
I'm looking for religion! (good religion, like it used to be!)
Give me that old time religion! (old time religion, Lord)
Hallelueh! (Hallelueh, good enough for me!)
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I'm not Catholic...was gonna be...it didn't work out...I had some last minute trepidations about hitching my wagon...maybe I wanted to eat a steak on Friday...I forgot now...but...if I'm looking at an organization and it's leader has the stain of being a Nazi I'm gonna have to take a pass. WTF were THEY thinking? For those deep inside the faith I don't know how you kept silent. My feet would've done the talking. Then to further muck up the Vatican this is the guy that decided bouncing pedophiles from one bingo hall to the next...like it was a good idea and to hell with the target rich environment and endless supply of alterboys???...he shudda been bounced for that on it's own merits. I'm not going to preach religion, as I'm positive any believer will testify that the message of Jesus Christ was one of love and peace but daggone we're talking about the faith that's closest aligned with Christ. For that, sorry...this guy, this fraud...this pretender...this guy they let wear the funny hats will always be worth my indignation towards him and whatever he was attempting to do. There's a saying that a tiger cannot change its stripes...I dunno....I've seen some people do a 180 and never fall down where they did before...it was hard and they'd admit to it, but they pressed forward...going from the Nazi party...yea...split hairs all you want...conscripted just like George Soros...didn't want to create waves...wore the uniform...even when they knew what it stood for...everyone was doing it...yeah...well, that's the moment where you're looking for the guy to have this earth shattering revelation..."WTF am I doing?"...instead..."Hey, the war ended before I could act on my impulses...even though I secretly knew (I was on a mission from God to fix the Nazis from within...THAT'S the ticket!)what they were and kept it all to myself"...instead...flash to the future a couple of decades...and you have one of the largest coverups and screwups the world has ever known. It makes what happened at Penn State & Jerry's kids look like the NWO trying to go on a bombing run! The Church is forced to close down parishes to payoff the victims. Payoff the victims. Hear that once more...pay off the victims. That's what the Church was reduced to. Paying off victims that they created inside their house with their own doing God's work. This guy cudda rooted them out and had them face jail time a LONG time ago and who knows how many countless kids would've been saved in the process. I weep not for the guy with the ring that others would kiss. I'm never going to be near the guy. If I was I'd prolly kick him in the nuts and whisper...."That's for being a Nazi!" and kick him again harder and mutter "and that's for letting the pedos play rodeo in the church!"

Here's to hoping they can select a guy from the Human race this time.Beer
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Is Bobcat Goldwaith catholic..?? Huh
bloody spaniard Offline
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Forgive them, Pope Benedict, just as God forgave you. You were a good Pope regardless of how you're beiing defined by a disgruntled, tangential element.
God bless you.

Google the prophecies of Saint Malachy, guys.Herfing
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Forgive them, Pope Benedict, just as God forgave you. You were a good Pope regardless of how you're beiing defined by a disgruntled, tangential element.
God bless you.

Google the prophecies of Saint Malachy, guys.Herfing




Don't need the forgivness of a diddler...not in my world.
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Bring on Pope Peter.

Game over people. Game over.
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Frampton is catholic..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
Frampton is catholic..?? Huh



Show me the waaaaay..everydayWhistle

Angel
teedubbya Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Forgive them, Pope Benedict, just as God forgave you. You were a good Pope regardless of how you're beiing defined by a disgruntled, tangential element.
God bless you.

Google the prophecies of Saint Malachy, guys.Herfing



See post 41.

I promised myself not to pick on your little pope friend anymore and will stick to that. It will be very difficult though LOL I didn't promise myself I wouldn't pick on the pedo factory and the blind faith and omerta that allows it to continue.... the very same elements that drives folks to be critical of islam and disney.
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No sweat, TW. Sorry I called you an ass & bigot.
Might want to lose some of that hate or better yet direct it towards the IRS. lol
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Maybe I should just channel it towards the Muslims. That seems to keep you balanced and I'm god's good grace.
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In. Damn phone.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Forgive them, Pope Benedict, just as God forgave you. You were a good Pope regardless of how you're beiing defined by a disgruntled, tangential element.
God bless you.

Google the prophecies of Saint Malachy, guys.Herfing


I have no doubts that God forgives the pope for anything he did in his past, just like God forgives all of us for our wrongdoings (regardless how big or small...sin is sin in God's eyes). We (as Christ-followers) are called to do the same. If you call yourself a Christ-follower and aren't able to forgive another (I don't mean condone) then you're missing the big picture and trivialize what took place on the cross. If you are unable to forgive someone and continue to hold their sin over their head (i.e. you playing judge) then (in your eyes) their sins are not forgiven. That's not how it works. If that's how one wants to approach it, then by doing so you're saying that when Jesus died on the cross he still held our sins against us, and we are expected to do something (work) to get back in God's good graces...WE DON'T..."it is finished"

So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” (John 20:21-23)

I don't hold the pope's past against him (i don't condone any of it either). Honestly, I'm not sure I was aware of the Nazi thing that people keep bringing up, or I forgot about it once all the media coverage died down at the time he became the pope. I don't follow the pope. To me, the pope is irrelevant (no offense). With all due respect, to me he represents the religious elite...you know, the one's Jesus spent so much time eating with and ministering to. To me the pope also symbolizes the ways of the old testament laws, rules and tradition. The same rules, laws, and traditions that God knew we could never fulfill and meet the standard of on our own. Thus, the cross. Obviously, there is nothing wrong with following the law and the 10 commandments...if everyone followed them, or at least made the effort to follow them, I suppose we'd all be in a better place. But if we follow the greatest two commandments, the most important commandments, "love the lord with all your heart and strength, and love your neighbor," given by Jesus himself (when questioned by a teacher of the law), then even the 10 commandments becomes irrelevant (think about it).

If you follow the teachings of the pope, that's fine. To me it's no different than following the teachings of any other priest, pastor, minister, etc etc...as long as it lines up with the teachings and heart of Jesus. But I don't put the pope, or any other minister, higher than any other, though one's teachings may be "deeper" than another. It's my belief that there is no hierarchy in the Kingdom of God. The pope, to me, represents a religious hierarchy, and a form of religious idolatry (that can be found in any religion). And I don't believe God will favor the pope, or any other high ranking priest/minister, over any other person if they (anyone) simply asks and seeks God. If you claim to be a Christ-follower, YOU are a priest and part of a royal priesthood. Though I don't have a degree or the formal training and title of "pastor," "priest," or "holy father," given to me by some seminary school or given to me by a vote of my peers, if someone comes to me and I say something to them that helps or encourages them in life or along their spiritual journey, and I feel that what I said lines up with the heart and mind of Christ, then I have done my priestly duty...even if they don't want to accept what I felt I should say (right or wrong on my part).

Sheesh...that's too much typing. There's a lot of "blanks" in between. Feel free to fill in as you see fit. One final thought: I'm not against priests, ministers, etc, and I'm not against people seeking the advice/guidance/help from them. I strongly encourage it if that's what the person feels they need. A couple of things I get leary of are teachings that 1) you must go to a priest/minister for God to intervene and hear you 2) teachings of an old testament God that is constantly looking for you to slip-up unless you follow all the laws and do a lot of "works," and reminding people of their sin(s). I think everyone knows they aren't perfect. You aren't going to work your way to perfection. Teach the true character/nature of God (in the new testament) which was displayed on the cross...Love. Don't do things from an outside-in perspective (people pleasing to feel good inside). Do things from an inside-out perspective. Doing things motivated by love, displaying the character of God on the inside of you. Easier said then done, I know. But it's a process.
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe I should just channel it towards the Muslims. That seems to keep you balanced and I'm god's good grace.


Ahhh, the old, reliable "muslim" strawman... and some think you're only a two trick pony.



daveincincy wrote:
I have no doubts that God forgives the pope for anything he did in his past, just like God forgives all of us for our wrongdoings (regardless how big or small...sin is sin in God's eyes). We (as Christ-followers) are called to do the same. If you call yourself a Christ-follower and aren't able to forgive another (I don't mean condone) then you're missing the big picture and trivialize what took place on the cross. If you are unable to forgive someone and continue to hold their sin over their head (i.e. you playing judge) then (in your eyes) their sins are not forgiven. That's not how it works. If that's how one wants to approach it, then by doing so you're saying that when Jesus died on the cross he still held our sins against us, and we are expected to do something (work) to get back in God's good graces...WE DON'T..."it is finished"

So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” (John 20:21-23)

I don't hold the pope's past against him (i don't condone any of it either). Honestly, I'm not sure I was aware of the Nazi thing that people keep bringing up, or I forgot about it once all the media coverage died down at the time he became the pope. I don't follow the pope. To me, the pope is irrelevant (no offense). With all due respect, to me he represents the religious elite...you know, the one's Jesus spent so much time eating with and ministering to. To me the pope also symbolizes the ways of the old testament laws, rules and tradition. The same rules, laws, and traditions that God knew we could never fulfill and meet the standard of on our own. Thus, the cross. Obviously, there is nothing wrong with following the law and the 10 commandments...if everyone followed them, or at least made the effort to follow them, I suppose we'd all be in a better place. But if we follow the greatest two commandments, the most important commandments, "love the lord with all your heart and strength, and love your neighbor," given by Jesus himself (when questioned by a teacher of the law), then even the 10 commandments becomes irrelevant (think about it).

If you follow the teachings of the pope, that's fine. To me it's no different than following the teachings of any other priest, pastor, minister, etc etc...as long as it lines up with the teachings and heart of Jesus. But I don't put the pope, or any other minister, higher than any other, though one's teachings may be "deeper" than another. It's my belief that there is no hierarchy in the Kingdom of God. The pope, to me, represents a religious hierarchy, and a form of religious idolatry (that can be found in any religion). And I don't believe God will favor the pope, or any other high ranking priest/minister, over any other person if they (anyone) simply asks and seeks God. If you claim to be a Christ-follower, YOU are a priest and part of a royal priesthood. Though I don't have a degree or the formal training and title of "pastor," "priest," or "holy father," given to me by some seminary school or given to me by a vote of my peers, if someone comes to me and I say something to them that helps or encourages them in life or along their spiritual journey, and I feel that what I said lines up with the heart and mind of Christ, then I have done my priestly duty...even if they don't want to accept what I felt I should say (right or wrong on my part).

Sheesh...that's too much typing. There's a lot of "blanks" in between. Feel free to fill in as you see fit. One final thought: I'm not against priests, ministers, etc, and I'm not against people seeking the advice/guidance/help from them. I strongly encourage it if that's what the person feels they need. A couple of things I get leary of are teachings that 1) you must go to a priest/minister for God to intervene and hear you 2) teachings of an old testament God that is constantly looking for you to slip-up unless you follow all the laws and do a lot of "works," and reminding people of their sin(s). I think everyone knows they aren't perfect. You aren't going to work your way to perfection. Teach the true character/nature of God (in the new testament) which was displayed on the cross...Love. Don't do things from an outside-in perspective (people pleasing to feel good inside). Do things from an inside-out perspective. Doing things motivated by love, displaying the character of God on the inside of you. Easier said then done, I know. But it's a process.



Bingo! The blood of Christ on the cross is the ultimate sacrifice that gives believers CONSTANT forgiveness and makes it easier to sin less (and become righteous) as opposed to the Law which only chastises us & make us feel like failures- thus, many give up on religion. The Law can only bring disappointment & failure. We can't be sacrificing chickens & goats constantly for forgiveness as in the Old Testament. The death of Jesus is God's gift to us & replaced that exercise in futility.

I also wouldn't pass judgement on the Pope, priests, or ministers for being idolized as demigods, etc.. I would leave that to God. Our understanding is limited. We need spiritual guidance much as a parent teaches & nurtures his children until they're old enough to decide for ourselves that they don't like brussel sprouts, capri pants, & mtv. In our development, we will never achieve perfection but rather select doctrines within the umbrella of Christianity that are more biblically based.
teedubbya Offline
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In my cave man voice

ug. one religion good and do all things right. question it mean bigotry and hell. Other religion wrong and do all things wrong. Question it mean A-OK and going to heaven. me no hippopotamacrit
DrafterX Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
and I'm god's good grace.



then why aren't you Pope..?? Huh
daveincincy Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
then why aren't you Pope..?? Huh


It requires a vote...I suppose he could be a write-in for pope. He better start campaigning.
DrafterX Offline
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would Bloody have to worship him..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
would Bloody have to worship him..?? Huh


He already does.

I could never get elected pope. I have too many skeletens in my closet. I didn't have an army to help me get rid of evidence.


LOL

I keed I keed
bloody spaniard Offline
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Don't mind them, Benedict.
Kids- wotcha gonna do? RollEyes
teedubbya Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Don't mind them, Benedict.
Kids- wotcha gonna do? RollEyes


you talkin to your eggs again?
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teedubbya wrote:


I keed I keed


don't worry... they know how to cover up kids in the closet as well...
DrafterX Offline
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OhMyGod

sick bassard..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
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I know they know how to keep them from talkin
DrMaddVibe Offline
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So...he's resigning but it's not for health reasons according to Vatican officials...yet he might be in the throes of Alzheimer's. Another pedo ring being unearthed in Europe? Money laundering with the Euro after the head resigned in disgrace? Well, here's the DailyKos' take...


15. Giggity.

14. To keep his illegitimate children away from priests.

13. Hired a guy named Moe Lester to head the Church's response to abuse scandals.

12. Launching a line of turbo-charged paper shredders.

11. Forming a barbershop quartet with R. Kelly, Roman Polanski, and Silvio Berlusconi.

10. Tried to bet the Vatican in Monte Carlo.

9. Richard Dawkins double-dog-dared him.

8. Converting to Scientology.

7. Flowers dying in his presence upset the staff.

6. The fifth dead hooker was the last straw for his Cardinals.

5. Plays Emperor Palpatine in flashback scenes of the new Star Wars movie.

4. White robes and vivisection don't mix.

3. Came out as Nosferatu.

2. ****** Cheney is calling in the debt on his soul.

And the number 1 reason why Pope Benedict the Whatevereth is resigning the Papacy...

1. Penn State had an opening in the administration.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/11/1186301/-Top-10-Reasons-the-Pope-is-Resigning



The "truth" isn't out there on this matter yet...not widely yet...oh, it WILL be. IT's been more than 500 years since a Pope walked away from the position. Whatever the reasons, his legacy will be tarnished forever.

Winners never quit and quitters never win. An old coach pounded that into my skull. Before every game...after every practice the entire team would hands in and say this...it was our anthem...it's what we did. I carried that, plus other life lessons with me. They have served me well. See this for what it is. One of the World's foremost religious leaders walking away from his post. A position that the majority die fulfilling. For whatever reason(/s) he is choosing to turn his back.

The Truth is out there.
bloody spaniard Offline
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This is all speculation at the expense of the Catholic church which is a safe and easy mark these days.

For instance, you can argue that music is a form of religion to some. The music industry is rife with degeneracy, greed, & abuse from top to bottom while they pollute the minds of our young.
fog
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bloody spaniard wrote:
This is all speculation at the expense of the Catholic church which is a safe and easy mark these days.

For instance, the music industry is rife with degeneracy, greed, & abuse from top to bottom while they pollute the minds of our young.
fog



Yeah? Well we got Elvis, Sinatra and Phil Spector...who you gots?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah? Well we got Elvis, Sinatra and Phil Spector...who you gots?



The best damn education available. But that's not saying much when you consider the public alternative to Catholic schools.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The best damn education available. But that's not saying much when you consider the public alternative to Catholic schools.



I like Catholic girls...with their tiny little mustaches...In the rectory basement
Father Riley's a fairy...but it don't bother Mary :-"
teedubbya Offline
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There's nothing like a catholic girl
With her hand in the box
When she's on her knees
DrMaddVibe Offline
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She was on her knees?
bloody spaniard Offline
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We would have all been Hitler Youth back then. It was mandatory for all 10 year old German boys.
Sensitive TW would have probably opted for Fuehrer bride.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
We would have all been Hitler Youth back then.



Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking
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bloody spaniard wrote:
You guys don't read prophecy nor watch Christian cable?!Anxious



"Christian Cable" is a joke. Just read the Bible! fog
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking



As soon as the economy goes completely into the toilet, we will be goose stepping and straight arm saluting to the tune of absolutism in NO time. The few that oppose will be dead or in re-education camps.
Sorry to break it to you but we are little different from the German people of 70 years ago. We pretend to love rugged individualism and believe in total freedom, but all in all, most are lemming cowards. Accept it & call me in the morning if you don't feel better.

Boo hoo!
DrafterX Offline
#87 Posted:
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Shame on you
sounds like someone's glass is half empty again..... Not talking
bloody spaniard Offline
#88 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Shame on you
sounds like someone's glass is half empty again..... Not talking



LOL! We are drowning in bullshiite.

signed,
call it as I see it Black Bloody
DrMaddVibe Offline
#89 Posted:
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Posts: 55,554
I KNEW it!!!!


The Pope was facing a lawsuit...he hopes to stave it off by resigning!



http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-benedict-xvi-charged-with-crimes-against-humanity

Take a look at the hotlinks this story has!
HockeyDad Offline
#90 Posted:
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Posts: 46,192
bloody spaniard wrote:
As soon as the economy goes completely into the toilet, we will be goose stepping and straight arm saluting to the tune of absolutism in NO time. The few that oppose will be dead or in re-education camps.
Sorry to break it to you but we are little different from the German people of 70 years ago. We pretend to love rugged individualism and believe in total freedom, but all in all, most are lemming cowards. Accept it & call me in the morning if you don't feel better.

Boo hoo!



Austerity sucks.
DrafterX Offline
#91 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,583
DrMaddVibe wrote:
I KNEW it!!!!


The Pope was facing a lawsuit...he hopes to stave it off by resigning!



http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-benedict-xvi-charged-with-crimes-against-humanity

Take a look at the hotlinks this story has!



ya, I heard that the other day.... that's why he's not leaving the vatican.. somethin about sanctuary or somethin... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#92 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
Cured?

Yes sir, bloody miracle, sir. Bless you!

Who cured you?

Jesus did, sir. I was hopping along, minding my own business, all of a sudden, up he comes, cures me! One minute I'm a leper with a trade, next minute my livelihood's gone. Not so much as a by-your-leave! "You're cured, mate." Bloody do-gooder.
teedubbya Offline
#93 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
keep it greasy so ittl go down easy
DrMaddVibe Offline
#94 Posted:
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Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper


Pope's staff decline to confirm or deny La Repubblica claims linking 'Vatileaks' affair and discovery of 'blackmailed gay clergy'

A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom – the report said – were being blackmailed by outsiders.

The pope's spokesman declined to confirm or deny the report, which was carried by the Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica.

The paper said the pope had taken the decision on 17 December that he was going to resign – the day he received a dossier compiled by three cardinals delegated to look into the so-called "Vatileaks" affair.

Last May Pope Benedict's butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested and charged with having stolen and leaked papal correspondence that depicted the Vatican as a seething hotbed of intrigue and infighting.

According to La Repubblica, the dossier comprising "two volumes of almost 300 pages – bound in red" had been consigned to a safe in the papal apartments and would be delivered to the pope's successor upon his election.

The newspaper said the cardinals described a number of factions, including one whose members were "united by sexual orientation".

In an apparent quotation from the report, La Repubblica said some Vatican officials had been subject to "external influence" from laymen with whom they had links of a "worldly nature". The paper said this was a clear reference to blackmail.

It quoted a source "very close to those who wrote [the cardinal's report]" as saying: "Everything revolves around the non-observance of the sixth and seventh commandments."

The seventh enjoins against theft. The sixth forbids adultery, but is linked in Catholic doctrine to the proscribing of homosexual acts.

La Repubblica said the cardinals' report identified a series of meeting places in and around Rome. They included a villa outside the Italian capital, a sauna in a Rome suburb, a beauty parlour in the centre, and a former university residence that was in use by a provincial Italian archbishop.

Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said: "Neither the cardinals' commission nor I will make comments to confirm or deny the things that are said about this matter. Let each one assume his or her own responsibilities. We shall not be following up on the observations that are made about this."

He added that interpretations of the report were creating "a tension that is the opposite of what the pope and the church want" in the approach to the conclave of cardinals that will elect Benedict's successor. Another Italian daily, Corriere della Sera, alluded to the dossier soon after the pope announced his resignation on 11 February, describing its contents as "disturbing".

The three-man commission of inquiry into the Vatileaks affair was headed by a Spanish cardinal, Julián Herranz. He was assisted by Cardinal Salvatore De Giorgi, a former archbishop of Palermo, and the Slovak cardinal Jozef Tomko, who once headed the Vatican's department for missionaries.

Pope Benedict has said he will stand down at the end of this month; the first pope to resign voluntarily since Celestine V more than seven centuries ago. Since announcing his departure he has twice apparently referred to machinations inside the Vatican, saying that divisions "mar the face of the church", and warned against "the temptations of power".

La Repubblica's report was the latest in a string of claims that a gay network exists in the Vatican. In 2007 a senior official was suspended from the congregation, or department, for the priesthood, after he was filmed in a "sting" organised by an Italian television programme while apparently making sexual overtures to a younger man.

In 2010 a chorister was dismissed for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting. A few months later a weekly news magazine used hidden cameras to record priests visiting gay clubs and bars and having sex.

The Vatican does not condemn homosexuals. But it teaches that gay sex is "intrinsically disordered". Pope Benedict has barred sexually active gay men from studying for the priesthood.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry
teedubbya Offline
#95 Posted:
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Popein ain't easy
bloody spaniard Offline
#96 Posted:
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First of all, I don't believe it.
Secondly, if true then the queers causing the problems in the Church are homos not pedophiles.

Can't wait for sharia to clean all this up.
DrafterX Offline
#97 Posted:
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I heard it on the NPR and read it on the internets.... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#98 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard it on the NPR and read it on the internets.... Mellow



Both sewers, er, I mean rivers of information.
DrafterX Offline
#99 Posted:
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Have you asked Ram..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#100 Posted:
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You know it hard out here for a pope
When he tryin to get this money for the rent
For the cadillac and gas money spent
Will cause whole lot of bitches jumping ship

You know it hard out here for a pope
When he tryin to get this money for the rent
For the cadillac and gas money spent
Will have a whole lot of bitches jumping ship


In my eyes I dun seen some crazy thangs in the streets
Gotta a couple hoes working on the changes just for me
But I gotta keep my game tite like Kobe on game nite
Like kickin from a hoes dont know no better I know that ain't right

Dun Seen people killed, dun seen people killed,
dun seen people living poverty with no meals
It's f**ked up where I live
But this ****'s how it is
It but might be new to you
but it's been like this for years

It's blood sweat and tears when it comes down to this ****
I'm trying to get rich fore I leave up out this bitch

Tryin to have thangs but it hard for a pope
But I'm praying and I'm hoping to GOD I don't slip


You know it hard out here for a pope
When he tryin to get this money for the rent
For the cadillac and gas money spent
Will cause a whole lot of bitches jumping ship

You know it hard out here for a pope
When he tryin to get this money for the rent
For the cadillac and gas money spent
Will have a whole lot of bitches jumping ship


Now it seems like I'm ducking doging bullets everyday
Niggas hatin on me cause I got hoes on the tray
But I gotta stay paid, gotta stay above water
Couldn't keep up with my hoes that when **** got harder
North Memphis where I from
I'm 7 street bound
Where niggas all the time end up lost and never found
Man these girls take me through thangs leave a big head
And I hoping every night they don't end up being dead
Wait I got a snow bunny and a black girl two
You pay the right price and they'll both do you
That's the way the game goes gotta keepin strictly popein
Gotta have my hustle tite make this change of these women


You know it hard out here for a pope
When he tryin to get this money for the rent
For the cadillac and gas money spent
Will cause a whole lot of bitches jumping ship

You know it hard out here for a pope
When he tryin to get this money for the rent
For the cadillac and gas money spent
Will have a whole lot of bitches jumping ship
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