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Pope is resigning 2/28/13 (ok to post on politics board?)
daveincincy Offline
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Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall ...i had a big reply typed up and my PC crapped out and shutdown on it's own (see my thread "PC Help" for issues I'm having) d'oh! Brick wall d'oh! Brick wall

Why (Bloody) is it so hard to believe that this would happen?

(The following is not necessarily directed at Bloody)
People have no problem believing a celebrity evangelist would get caught up in something like this...but the Pope? No way. It seems like some feel the Pope is the one sitting at the right hand of the Father.

The Pope and his cardinals (or whatever the titles are) along with any other figure of authority (or not) are human and not above making stupid mistakes. When people put their trust, faith, and hope in another person (i.e. religious figure) and they fall, their world comes crashing down.

IMHO the Pope, cardinals, etc represent the religious elite (i.e. the Pharisees). The teachers of the law...laws no human can fulfill. The same self-righteous people Jesus was at odds with (or they were at odds with Jesus), and probably the same people Jesus was referring to that would be better off to have a millstone tied around their necks and thrown into the sea than to cause the "little ones" (children of God..not necessarily small children, per se) to stumble...by enslaving them to a system steeped in religious traditions and rules that does nothing more than load a person down with a crap-ton of religious baggage. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom, not a list of rules and thou shall and shall nots. Ministers/preachers/etc are not exempt from this just because they don't wear fancy robes and funny hats.

I'm not coming down on all priests. And I'm not saying the Catholic church hasn't done a LOT of good. I just don't get this religious hierarchy...in any church...especially one where robes and rings are worn to signify some sort of elite status. I think I said it before, but IMO there is no religious hierarchy in God's kingdom.
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blind faith. I actually admire it.
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teedubbya wrote:
blind faith. I actually admire it.



Come down off your throne and leave your body alone.Whistle
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daveincincy wrote:
I'm not coming down on all priests.



Nor I. I do find issue with a Pope walking away from his job...his duty...his mission.

THAT is troubling. Seein as how he's the 2nd guy to do that in over 500 years...says it all.
teedubbya Offline
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I aint done nothing wrong but I still cant find my way home.
teedubbya Offline
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There have been a few corrupt ones in the last 500 years that should have been shown the door. It's like any other institution.
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teedubbya wrote:
There have been a few corrupt ones in the last 500 years that should have been shown the door. It's like any other institution.



Yeah, but this guy...part Nazi...part pedo...YOWZERS! Now that he has the job it would've been nice to see a transformation...THAT didn't happen. When the fire gets hot...he's running for the door!
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the roof the roof the roof is on fire
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Nor I. I do find issue with a Pope walking away from his job...his duty...his mission.

THAT is troubling. Seein as how he's the 2nd guy to do that in over 500 years...says it all.



I guess it does say a lot the more I think of it.

I know a guy, his parents are catholic, and at one point in his (younger) life, he was going to become a priest. His parents were thrilled...apparently, him becoming a priest means family members get to cut in line at the pearly gates (i.e. a one-way ticket to heaven). He never followed through with it, had a change of heart (and religion). Needless to say, his parents were NOT happy AT ALL. He's in his early 50's now (married, kids, etc), and it sounds like his parents (if they are still alive) are/were still bitter about it. I guess they wanted to take the easy way to heaven, and their son was The Way.

What priest wouldn't, someday, want to move up in the religious hierarchy? If becoming a priest has that kind of impact on family members, can you imagine what it would be like to achieve status of Pope?

DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, but this guy...part Nazi...part pedo...YOWZERS! Now that he has the job it would've been nice to see a transformation...THAT didn't happen. When the fire gets hot...he's running for the door!


Yes...a transformation would have been nice. I guess doing and saying all the right things and working hard to impress the brethern, working your way to the top, and achieving Pope status doesn't bring about that change does it? Or perhaps he has had a change of heart, and that may be part of the reason he is stepping down. Regardless of any allegations, this might be the best thing to happen to him. Just like when some people get kicked out of their church can be the best thing to happen to them...honestly.
teedubbya Offline
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is it safe?
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I WAS going to sugarcoat it, but Lord, it looks as though the haters, heretic hunters, and critics of the Church's external trappings have ignored your message of salvation & mired themselves in innuendo, minutiae, and the Law possibly motivated by jealousy and/or hate much as the Pharisees... Forgive them.

I'm not saying the Church (nor other denominations) are without fault but you should look unto yourselves before you are judged in the same manner that you attack your "fellow Christians" (this part is arguable).
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but the catholic church judges and attacks fellow christians

we are talking about men.... not god... not jesus.... not even catholics as a whole. the inability to accept that one of these pious individuals may not be as pious as you think is odd.

I was not being sarcastic when I said it was blind faith and I admire it. I wish I had it. I wish I beleived in an individual walking the earth that can not be questioned and can do no wrong and to question them means you are a bigot or going to hell. Life would be easier that way. Sure it wouldn't be based on reality but it would be kind of cool.

there are a few popes through history that would make most "most evil person" lists.

And most of them are not.
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daveincincy wrote:
Yes...a transformation would have been nice. I guess doing and saying all the right things and working hard to impress the brethern, working your way to the top, and achieving Pope status doesn't bring about that change does it? Or perhaps he has had a change of heart, and that may be part of the reason he is stepping down. Regardless of any allegations, this might be the best thing to happen to him. Just like when some people get kicked out of their church can be the best thing to happen to them...honestly.



"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear."

Seriously...he walked away. All that time in the Church for what? Works won't git ya ta Heaven.
teedubbya Offline
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it's better to burn out....


my religion is beyond question.... yours on the otherhand......
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Bloody, you look good with that high-top fade. LOL

Me...jealous of the Pope?

No disrespect, but if anyone has mired themselves in the law it's the one's wearing the flowing robes, jeweled rings, and necklaces...teaching the "little ones" to follow the same law.
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I'll sell you a trinket. It is the only way the pearly gates will open for you.




In all honesty some Catholics I know are the most sincere truly kind people I've ever known and I have a great deal of respect for their religion. Others I have met are catholic in name only and don't really attend church or live their lives as if they did. They use their religion as a cover or shield. Some are the most pompous **** I have ever met and are holier than though. That said, that holds true for all religions and their human leaders and followers.

If we have questionable leadership in my church I will call it out as I see it. We have had instances where that was necessary. It's not perfect, and to question is not a problem. Omerta is a problem.

That religion is also a government and like most governments suffers from corruption from time to time (power will do that to you). All the signs indicate there is an issue. Hopefully there isn't. But it's good to question.
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She keeps a lock of hair in her pocket
She wears a cross around her neck

The hair is from a little boy
and the cross is someone she has not met...not yet.
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daveincincy wrote:
Bloody, you look good with that high-top fade. LOL
Me...jealous of the Pope?



I ran out of eraserhead avatar space... LOL

Not necessarily jealous, Dave, but exceedingly angry at- let Jesus deal with the Pope if he's actually done anything wrong.
I'm sure Christ is monitoring things carefully and may not be entirely pleased with the legalistic bureaucracy of the Body, but IMHO it's not for you folks to ridicule unless you're ready to undergo the magnifying glass treatment yourselves.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
but IMHO it's not for you folks to ridicule unless you're ready to undergo the magnifying glass treatment yourselves.



does this apply to all topics or just da pope..?? Huh
bloody spaniard Offline
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^ Good question but I assume God has His priorities & casting ridicule at Christian spiritual leaders might be high on His list.
I don't know but you'll find out...
Herfing
teedubbya Offline
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I don't hold myself out as pios nor will anyone ever accuse me of being so LOL. I'm not scared of the magnifying glass and have not put myself in a position that anyone would be even interested in looking that close at me. I'm not on a path towards sainthood, but I'm not an ex nazi either.



and drafter it only applies to the pope. other leaders, religious or otherwise are fair game.
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so we can't make fun of jim and tammy fay anymore? or the rev al or jesse j? or is it just the leaders certain people deem worthy?
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your Mickey Mouse is one big dope..!! Mad
bloody spaniard Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
so we can't make fun of jim and tammy fay anymore? or the rev al or jesse j? or is it just the leaders certain people deem worthy?



No, no, keep making muffins in your novelty Jesus' pans. That's funny stuff.
But I bet you're afraid to make fun of MLK or Islam among other things. Just a hunch.



Knock yourselves out, kids. I gotta House Party to attend.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ Good question but I assume God has His priorities & casting ridicule at Christian spiritual leaders might be high on His list.
I don't know but you'll find out...
Herfing




Like I said, brother, it's a free country. Do what you want (within the limits of hate crime thought law). lol
You're the one who'll have to give an accounting of yourself, not me. I've got my own arroz con abichuelas to cook.
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bloody spaniard wrote:

Not necessarily jealous, Dave, but exceedingly angry at- let Jesus deal with the Pope if he's actually done anything wrong.
I'm sure Christ is monitoring things carefully and may not be entirely pleased with the legalistic bureaucracy of the Body, but IMHO it's not for you folks to ridicule unless you're ready to undergo the magnifying glass treatment yourselves.



Speaking for myself, of course, I am not angry at the pope either. Some might be mad at him...for his past (sins) and/or for his decision to step down. I don't know the Pope's heart. Perhaps God is dealing with him now. Like I mentioned above, the pope stepping down might be the best thing to happen to him (personally and spiritually), and not because of any current allegations (true or false). I'm not trying to judge or sound self-righteous...I don't want it to come across that way....I dunno. Sometimes I wonder who people are trying to follow and/or listen to...the pope or the still small voice (Spirit of God) that dwells inside each person that has surrendered their life over to Christ. That Spirit is a person's direct line to God, not the pope, priest, minister, pastor, etc... of course, that's my opinion, and I'm not saying everyone looks at the Pope as their only way to heaven...at least I hope not. YMMV
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I've never worshipped the pope or given him much thought really... but it does appear they are gonna save a bunch of money by hiding him in the Vatican for the rest of his life... guilty or not guilty, I think money was the issue here... just my 3 cent tho.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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gimme my monayyyyyyyyyyy


meh. we all need to become comfortable with our beleifs and ourselves.

Blood as for MLK and Islam... I'm very critical of both. Just like catholocism I can't say everything they do is right..... or wrong. They have thier faults. Forget MLK the real Martin Luther has some not so purdy baggage as well. And on and on. I'm just wary of any religion in which their leader is off limits for criticism yet they can criticize other religions at will because they deem them inferior or dangerous. I'll give you this though.... at least you will allow us to post a picture of the pope LOL

+1 for the big C
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DrafterX wrote:
I've never worshipped the pope or given him much thought really... but it does appear they are gonna save a bunch of money by hiding him in the Vatican for the rest of his life... guilty or not guilty, I think money was the issue here... just my 3 cent tho.... Mellow



couldn't they have just called somewhere for an insurance quote?
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Butt wait...there's MORE!!!




Did a Cross-Dressing Priest Sex Ring Bring Down Benedict XVI?
By Barbie Latza Nadeau | The Daily Beast – 18 hrs ago

Of all the rumors floating around about just why Pope Benedict XVI is hanging up his camauro, one has taken on a life of its own. According to several well-placed vaticanisti—or Vatican experts—in Rome, Benedict is resigning after being handed a secret red-covered dossier that included details about a network of gay priests who work inside the Vatican, but who play in secular Rome. The priests, it seems, are allegedly being blackmailed by a network of male prostitutes who worked at a sauna in Rome’s Quarto Miglio district, a health spa in the city center, and a private residence once entrusted to a prominent archbishop. The evidence reportedly includes compromising photos and videos of the prelates—sometimes caught on film in drag, and, in some cases, caught “in the act.”


Revelations about the alleged network are the basis of a 300-page report supposedly delivered to Benedict on December 17 by Cardinals Julian Herranz, Joseph Tomko, and Salvatore De Giorgi. According to the press reports, it was on that day that Benedict XVI decided once and for all to retire, after toying with the idea for months. He reportedly closed the dossier and locked it away in the pontifical apartment safe to be handed to his successor to deal with. According to reports originally printed by La Repubblica newspaper and the newsweekly Panorama (and followed up across the gamut of the Italian media), the crimes the cardinals uncovered involved breaking the commandments “Thou shalt not steal” and “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” the latter of which has been used in Vatican-speak to also refer to homosexual relations instead of the traditional reference to infidelity.


The trio of cardinals who authored the report, known in the Italian press as the “007 Priests,” were commissioned by Benedict to dig into the Vatileaks scandal that rocked the Holy See last fall when the pope’s butler, Paolo Gabriele, was convicted of stealing secret papal documents and leaking them to the press. The sleuthing cardinals ran a parallel investigation to the Vatican tribunal’s criminal case against the butler, but theirs was far more covert and focused not on the mechanics of the leaks, but on who within the Roman Curia might be the brains behind them. And, according to the leaked reports, what the “007 Priests” found went far beyond the pope’s private desk. “What’s coming out is very detailed X-ray of the Roman Curia that does not spare even the closest collaborators of the Pope,” wrote respected Vatican expert Ignazio Ingrao in Panorama. “The Pope was no stranger to the intrigues, but he probably did not know that under his pontificate there was such a complex network and such intricate chains of personal interests and unmentionable relationships.”

The existence of a gay-priest network outside the fortified walls of Vatican City is hardly news, and many are wondering if it is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg of sex scandals. In 2010, investigative journalist Carmello Abbate went undercover with a hidden camera to write a shocking exposé called “Good Nights Out for Gay Priests”.


Abbate caught the priests on hidden camera dirty dancing at private parties and engaging in sex acts with male escorts on church property. He also caught them emerging from dark bedrooms just in time to celebrate mass. In one postcoital scene, a priest parades around seminaked, wearing only his clerical vestments. “This is not about homosexuality,” Abbate told The Daily Beast when he published the exposé. “This is about private vices and public virtues. This is about serious hypocrisy in the Catholic Church.”

Because so much of the secret lives of gay priests is actually not so secret thanks to Abbate’s exposé and subsequent book, Sex and the Vatican, many are wondering what else could be hidden in the alleged red-covered dossier. Vatican elite have also been loosely tied to a number of other secular scandals during Benedict’s tenure, including the ultra-tawdry affair between former Lazio governor Piero Marrazzo and several transvestite prostitutes, including one named “Brenda” who was found burned to death in 2009. At the time that Marrazzo’s relationships with the transvestites were discovered, his driver reportedly told investigators that several high-ranking priests and even cardinals were customers of Rome’s elite transsexual circuit, though no proof was ever provided and no one has ever been arrested tied to the transsexual prostitution circuit. Nor has anyone mentioned whether reference to these crimes might also be in the dossier. But Marrazzo was whisked off to the Vatican-owned Monte Cassino abbey south of Rome to do his penance, and he even wrote a letter to Vatican Secretary of State Tarciso Bertone asking for Pope Benedict XVI’s forgiveness.


Whatever secrets the red binders supposedly hold will have to remain just that until the next pope is elected. But Ingrao believes its contents are so important that the dossier will be like the 118th cardinal in the conclave. “Many new skeletons from the closets of the cardinals could come out until the beginning of the conclave,” says Ingrao. “Many voters know or claim to know the secrets of their brothers, but it is already clear that the new pope who leaves the Sistine Chapel will have to be scandal-free in order to proceed with cleaning up [what] Ratzinger has left for his successor.”
teedubbya Offline
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I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok
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Haven't seen Victor for awhile.......
bloody spaniard Offline
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Probably has a gal pal who is high maintenance & monopolizes his arguing time.
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Yeah, that's the ticket.
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The pope can't have gal pals.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Probably has a gal pal who is high maintenance & monopolizes his arguing time.


I'm around...
But bloody is correct.

Had to take the woman on a vacation to grand caymans for a number of days...

...that makes my work weeks before and after very challenging.
... and rugby season has started. That means pain and alcohol.
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teedubbya wrote:
The pope can't have gal pals.



Rubby boys don't either!
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Will a Notorious Anti-Semite Become The Pope?
By Alan M. Dershowitz

Among those being considered to succeed Pope Benedict XVI is a notorious anti-Semite, Cardinal Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras. His name has appeared on various media short lists and his photograph was featured, along with other possible candidates, on the front page of the Miami Herald. He was also under consideration the last time around, and his Latin American heritage is considered a plus this time. He is very charismatic and popular in his home country and was recently invited to speak to Latino Catholics in the United States.

To put it most simply, Rodriguez Maradiaga is an out and out Jew-hater. He has said that “the Jews” are to blame for the scandal surrounding the sexual misconduct of priests toward young parishioners! The Jews? How did Rodriguez Maradiaga ever come up with this hair-brained idea? Here is his “logic.” He begins by asserting that the Vatican is anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian (as he says it should be). It follows, therefore, that “The Jews” had to get even with the Catholic Church, while at the same time deflecting attention away from Israeli injustices against the Palestinians. The Jews managed to do this by arranging for the media—which he says they control—to give disproportionate attention on the Vatican sex scandal.

Listen to Rodriguez Maradiaga’s own words:

“It certainly makes me think that in a moment in which all the attention of the mass media was focused on the Middle East, all the many injustices done against the Palestinian people, the print media and the TV in the United States became obsessed with sexual scandals that happened 40 years ago, 30 years ago. Why? I think it’s also for these motives: What is the church that has received Arafat the most times and has most often confirmed the necessity of the creation of a Palestinian state? What is the church that does not accept that Jerusalem should be the indivisible capital of the State of Israel, but that it should be the capital of the three great monotheistic religions?”

Rodriguez Maradiaga then goes on to compare the Jewish controlled media with “Hitler,” because they are “protagonists of what I do not hesitate to define as a persecution against The Church.”

The prime media culprit in Rodriguez Maradiaga’s bizarro world is the Boston Globe, which has won numerous journalistic awards for its exposure of the sex scandal and cover up. The Globe is owned by The New York Times, which is controlled by the Sulzberger family. Hence the Jewish conspiracy. The problem (among so many) with this cockamamie theory is that the Jewish community of Boston was very close to, and admiring of, Cardinal Bernard Law, who presided over the arch diocese during the scandal. Cardinal Law had built bridges between the Catholic and Jewish communities of Boston, and when the scandal was exposed by the very un-Jewish Boston Globe the Jewish community remained largely supportive of Law. None of the leading media critics, lawyers or politicians who railed against the church were Jewish. Most were Catholic. But that didn’t matter to the bigoted cardinal, who—along with other classic anti-Semites -- believes that if there is a problem “the Jews” must be to blame for it. As James Carrol, the distinguished columnist for the Boston Globe who is himself a Catholic, has characterized Rodriguez Maradiaga’s “crackpot” mindset: “when the church has a problem—here is the oldest move of all—blame the Jews.”

When asked whether he wanted to reconsider his attack, Rodriguez Maradiaga replied: “I don’t repent… sometimes it is necessary to shake things up.” He later promised Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League that he wouldn’t repeat his conspiratorial nonsense, but he has refused to publicly apologize or “repent.”

The Vatican has rightly called anti-Semitism a “sin,” and yet an unrepentant sinner is on the short list to become the leader of the Catholic Church. Is it because the other cardinals are unaware of Rodriguez Maradiaga’s anti-Semitism? Unlikely, because he has made no secret of his bigotry against the Jews. Or is it because not enough of them care as much as they should?

As a Jew, I have no standing to, or stake in, whether the new pope is conservative or liberal on Catholic doctrine, but I and all other people who care about Catholic-Jewish relations do have standing and a major stake in assuring that an anti-Semite is never considered for such a high calling. Just as there was a universal outcry when the former Nazi Kurt Waldheim was elected to the presidency of Austria, so too should there be a universal outcry if this cardinal, whose rants could comfortably have been published by Der Stürmer, were to be elected head of the Catholic Church.

If Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga were to be elected pope, much of the good work done by recent popes in building bridges between the Catholic Church and the Jews would be endangered. This should not be allowed to happen. The campaign against this bigot must begin now before his candidacy develops more traction.

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Dang......Now the Jews want to control the Papal election.
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I heard they were trying to make Chevy rename their 'SS' model car.... Mellow
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If the Catholics want a nazi or jew hater that's their business. To criticize either is a one way path to hell and pure bigotry.
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I heard the pope mobile is a Volkswagen.
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Rome is burning...

Jesus knew their (the Pharisees) thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand." Matt. 12:25

They are like shameless shepherds who care only for themselves. They are like clouds blowing over the land without giving any rain. They are like trees in autumn that are doubly dead, for they bear no fruit and have been pulled up by the roots. They are like wild waves of the sea, churning up the foam of their shameful deeds. They are like wandering stars, doomed forever to blackest darkness. Jude 1:12-13
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daveincincy wrote:
Rome is burning...

Jesus knew their (the Pharisees) thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand." Matt. 12:25

They are like shameless shepherds who care only for themselves. They are like clouds blowing over the land without giving any rain. They are like trees in autumn that are doubly dead, for they bear no fruit and have been pulled up by the roots. They are like wild waves of the sea, churning up the foam of their shameful deeds. They are like wandering stars, doomed forever to blackest darkness. Jude 1:12-13


Heavy stuff. I take it you are not Catholic?
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HockeyDad wrote:
Dang......Now the Jews want to control the Papal election.



Hey, as long as so many already beleive Jews control everything, why not? Actually, the Catholic Church is a political, religous and social force in the world. To not communicate thoughts with it and to blindly defer to it is very poor judgement and mis-asseement of the current political reality we live in.
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^ Jews ARE overrepresented for their numbers in just about every arena (media, entertainment, successful businessmen, sciences, law, and intellectual endeavor such as writing, etc.) everything except for MMA. LMAO! They are not called God's chosen people for nothing! Despite victimization & pogroms in the past, some of them have at times also been among the most virulent attackers of religion and everything that is deemed sacred and holy.



daveincincy wrote:
Rome is burning...

Jesus knew their (the Pharisees) thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand." Matt. 12:25

They are like shameless shepherds who care only for themselves. They are like clouds blowing over the land without giving any rain. They are like trees in autumn that are doubly dead, for they bear no fruit and have been pulled up by the roots. They are like wild waves of the sea, churning up the foam of their shameful deeds. They are like wandering stars, doomed forever to blackest darkness. Jude 1:12-13




Spoken like a heretic hunter & Church hater.
True, the major Churches (and religions) appear to be top heavy with bureucrats who go by strict adherence to the Law (and not intent) & as thus shall be judged by the Lord. I don't see where it is helpful for non-Christians, secularists, and posters with avatars emulating sexual acts to attack ANY Church. Their credibility on religious matters is stretched communion wafer thin to say the least. lol


Just my two cents. No need to get defensive and angry. I would say this calmly to your face(s) as I bear no personal grudge against you.
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rfenst wrote:
Hey, as long as so many already beleive Jews control everything, why not? Actually, the Catholic Church is a political, religous and social force in the world. To not communicate thoughts with it and to blindly defer to it is very poor judgement and mis-asseement of the current political reality we live in.



If the Jews get to pick the Pope, next they'll lobby for a new Crusade to rid the Middle East of Muslims. (Since the USA and Obama won't do it!)
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#148 Posted:
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I vote Alan Dershowitz for pope! Either him or David duke.
bloody spaniard Offline
#149 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I vote Alan Dershowitz for pope! Either him or David duke.



Sit down, son. You shouldn't suck the lollipop, talk, & walk at the same time when you're excited.
Last time you tried that, the lolli got stuck in your ear.


I've got to run but please take care. Here's your helmet.
teedubbya Offline
#150 Posted:
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Is it shaped like the popes helmet?
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