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Edward Snowden - Patriot or Traitor?
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rfenst Offline
#201 Posted: Thu, Jun 13 2013, 12:02 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Master Dubya has decreed & given permission that his heir Jeb be elected.
Unfortunately for him, the electorate is hungering for yet another novelty candidate to elect- a slick woman with cankles.


Jeb would win and he is a far better choice than Romney was in term of ability wand experience. My problem with him is that he is a very strong so social conservative. Jeb v Hillary would be an amazing race!!!
bloody spaniard Offline
#202 Posted: Thu, Jun 13 2013, 1:22 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Jeb would win and he is a far better choice than Romney was in term of ability wand experience. My problem with him is that he is a very strong so social conservative. Jeb v Hillary would be an amazing race!!!




Funny because I think of him as a wishy washy moderate like his brother and father on immigration, taxing big business, foreign entanglements, green power, & (somewhat) pro-life etc.. Probably takes after dad in the brains and shrewdness department though. Cornhole, er Cornwallace was a loser that I initially supported with time & $$$ and expected to blossom into a more Reaganesque politician. Alas, he fell in love with the Saudi King and the rest is history. The beginning of the end of this country. Hillary & her Clinton machine will put the final touches on our epitaph after she wins.
bobsnook Offline
#203 Posted: Tue, Jun 18 2013, 1:56 AM EST
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confused
Taps86 Offline
#204 Posted: Wed, Jul 3 2013, 7:07 AM EST
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.........
France Calls For 2-Week Delay in US-EU Trade Talks

Government spokeswoman Najat Vallaud-Belkacem told reporters Wednesday "it seems wise to us to suspend them temporarily, for a period of 15 days." She says France will first "discuss with our European partners to take a joint decision."

She said mutual trust is needed before launching talks on such a huge trade deal, expected to provide a boost to economies on both sides of the Atlantic.



http://www.wltx.com/news/national/article/241284/142/France-Calls-For-2-Week-Delay-in-US-EU-Trade-Talks
QMPASH Offline
#205 Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2013, 12:07 PM EST
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A similar act of heroism was done in the 19th Century by Emile Zola, when he defended Captain Dreyfuss against the French Military. He too, was found "guilty" of Defaming the French military and had to flee the country to avoid a jail term. It was the military's claim that Zola "was endangering the country" with his accusations. Sound familiar? In the end, Emile Zola was found to be right, Dreyfuss was freen from Devils Island and returned to the military and several high-ranking officers either resigned or committed suicide.
bloody spaniard Offline
#206 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 11:10 AM EST
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^ fascinating stuff


I'm torn. Is it possible to betray your government and still be a hero to the American people?
Is our government that bogus?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#207 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 12:09 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
^ fascinating stuff


I'm torn. Is it possible to betray your government and still be a hero to the American people?
Is our government that bogus?



Benedict Arnold was misunderstood!
DrafterX Offline
#208 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 12:11 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Benedict Arnold was misunderstood!



Think Think
then what were the British doing..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#209 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 12:46 PM EST
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the rosenbergs were innocent!
bloody spaniard Offline
#210 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 1:02 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Benedict Arnold was misunderstood!


So in a similar vein, you're saying Snowden is a traitor as well, working against a "good" government?
teedubbya Offline
#211 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 1:08 PM EST
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the nazis were evil. a german during wwII that gave the USA german secrets was still a traitor.
teedubbya Offline
#212 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 1:08 PM EST
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i pity the foo
DrMaddVibe Offline
#213 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 1:10 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
So in a similar vein, you're saying Snowden is a traitor as well, working against a "good" government?



Nope.

I think if Snowden's intentions were pure in that he wanted to bring awareness to a government that's snooping on what you're doing...you don't need to fly off to a Chinese controlled island or hang out in a Russian airport terminal while despot 3rd World crapholes bid on your residency. There's a right way to whistleblow in this nation and be defended for doing it. He didn't do it and from his own admission he sought the job just so he could gather intel and expose the government. He's not a traitor...he's a spy!

If you all really thought the government wasn't doing this DECADES ago then you're fooling only yourselves!

Now, what should be the rallying cry everyone should be yelling is why our government outsourced Top Secret access to 3rd party vendors. Why weren't they doing this all "in-house"?
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#214 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 1:20 PM EST
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Government workers are way too lazy for this kind of spying work. All they would do is spy on their neighbors and stuff. With the cost of their massive salary and benefit packages, 3rd party vendors are cheaper and more efficient.
teedubbya Offline
#215 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 1:26 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Government workers are way too lazy for this kind of spying work. All they would do is spy on their neighbors and stuff. With the cost of their massive salary and benefit packages, 3rd party vendors are cheaper and more efficient.


this.

although if you could somehow convince them there is a union violation they seem to get more energetic.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#216 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 2:07 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Government workers are way too lazy for this kind of spying work. All they would do is spy on their neighbors and stuff. With the cost of their massive salary and benefit packages, 3rd party vendors are cheaper and more efficient.



Sure you want to keep that?

Snowden WAS a 3rd party vendor!
bloody spaniard Offline
#217 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 2:36 PM EST
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...and a HS dropout to boot but I'm still not sure how I feel about what he did.
He eventually got his GED before they gave him access to secrets btw.Applause

Spying on Americans = bad (unless they are America- hating infiltrators)
Spying on China & rest of world = good (or at the very least standard operating procedure expected by everyone)
teedubbya Offline
#218 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 3:09 PM EST
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I heard they only spied on muslim americans
DrafterX Offline
#219 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 3:13 PM EST
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they can't spy if they don't have a haystack/everybodies stuff.... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#220 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 3:16 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
they can't spy if they don't have a haystack/everybodies stuff.... Not talking



they only have muslim stuff
HockeyDad Offline
#221 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 3:47 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Sure you want to keep that?

Snowden WAS a 3rd party vendor!



Absolutely!

No rank and file government employee could have leaked this good.
DrafterX Offline
#222 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 3:48 PM EST
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maybe they're looking for CROS..... Think
bloody spaniard Offline
#223 Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2013, 4:28 PM EST
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I still can't see why anyone is very passionate for either side of the Snowden argument.
I must be wearing TW's horned owl, geek bifocals with neck chain because I see nothing but grays.

Besides, anybody remember Clinton handing over advanced technology to the Chinese? THAT was treasonous IMO.
DrafterX Offline
#224 Posted: Wed, Jul 10 2013, 8:25 AM EST
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I heard some Chinese guy gave him a blow-job for it... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#225 Posted: Wed, Jul 10 2013, 9:57 AM EST
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a bro job?
bloody spaniard Offline
#226 Posted: Thu, Jul 11 2013, 4:21 PM EST
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So, have we decided whether this man is a selfless hero or a self-serving, traitorous sham yet? Perhaps a little of both?
ZRX1200 Offline
#227 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 1:11 PM EST
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Manning: NOT GUILTY of “Aiding the Enemy”

Posted by Darryl W. Perry

The Guardian just reported that Judge Col. Denise Lind found Bradley Manning not guilty on aiding the enemy, “Manning has been found not guilty of the most serious charge of aiding the enemy. However the private has been found guilty on five counts of violating the espionage act.” RT.com reports, Manning was found “guilty on 19 other counts including ‘wantonly cause to be published on the internet intelligence belonging to the US government.’ He could yet face a maximum of more than 100 years in jail… He was found not guilty of violating the espionage act for the collateral murder video.” The sentencing phase of the trial is scheduled to begin 9:30 am (Eastern) Wednesday July 31, and could last several weeks.






N'Stuff (<--- for Drafter)
teedubbya Offline
#228 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 1:33 PM EST
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He will likely get out of jail with a few years left to wait for medicare
DrafterX Offline
#229 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 1:43 PM EST
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prolly work at McDonalds for $23 per hour by then.... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#230 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 1:51 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
prolly work at McDonalds for $23 per hour by then.... Mellow

Just can't let it go, eh? A bit fixated aren't we?
That's ok. Women do that a lot too.


What I want to see is what happens to Snowden. Russian citizenship?
DrafterX Offline
#231 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 1:57 PM EST
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what.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#232 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 1:59 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:


What I want to see is what happens to Snowden. Russian citizenship?


I predict a natural death within the next year or two
teedubbya Offline
#233 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 2:00 PM EST
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oh yea and it is sort of the bizzarro world when blood is arguing for higher pay to anyone ohter than himself and others are arguing with him..... cue twilight zone music
DrafterX Offline
#234 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 2:01 PM EST
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I heard Bloody needs an IT guy.. can only pay him $5.25 tho.... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#235 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 2:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
oh yea and it is sort of the bizzarro world when blood is arguing for higher pay to anyone ohter than himself and others are arguing with him..... cue twilight zone music

See? You just can't be happy for anyone? Never satisfied- just like Prince's Purple Rain movie mom.
Haven't you ever argued for the sake of arguing?

Give me a level playing field with opportunities for all and livable wages where the unmotivated and inept can be gradually shuffled into Governments jobs until a modern day Che summons them to the wall! Besides, I fight for Wheelrite and the other little guys. Even if Drafter has to pay for it by cutting back to 6 meals a day.ram27bat
teedubbya Offline
#236 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 2:14 PM EST
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Me not satisfied? I'm the original Mr. Chesterfield.
bloody spaniard Offline
#237 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 2:16 PM EST
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re-read my edited post, Mr. Lucky Camelbreath
DrafterX Offline
#238 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 2:29 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Never satisfied- just like Prince's Purple Rain movie mom.
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you selfish bassard.. Mad
teedubbya Offline
#239 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 2:37 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
re-read my edited post, Mr. Lucky Camelbreath


no. and you can't make me. imma not gonna look at any ultrasounds either *closing eyes tight*
ZRX1200 Offline
#240 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 2:52 PM EST
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You guys are cracking me up......
bloody spaniard Offline
#241 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 6:03 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You guys are cracking me up......

Next time PLEASE stop me before I post again.d'oh!

Goonite, Jaime.Beer
ZRX1200 Offline
#242 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 7:05 PM EST
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I love you dad.
bloody spaniard Offline
#243 Posted: Tue, Jul 30 2013, 10:04 PM EST
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Seems like just yesterday you fell off the turnip truck into our lives.Crying
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