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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:32 PM EST
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http://www.alternet.org/belief/theres-nothing-
about-abortion-bible-so-how-do-right-wing-
christians-justify-their-crusade

There's Nothing About Abortion in the Bible -
- So How Do Right-Wing Christians Justify
Their Crusade Against Women?
The modern religious right is trying to bring
back the Bible's teaching that women are
inferior and should be the possessions of
men.
Belief AlterNet / By Adam Lee 282
COMMENTS There's Nothing About Abortion
in the Bible -- So How Do Right-Wing
Christians Justify Their Crusade Against
Women?
The modern religious right is trying to bring
back the Bible's teaching that women are
inferior and should be the possessions of
men.

Photo Credit: Shutterstock.com
July 17, 2013 | Like this article?Join our
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While America languishes in an economic
depression, Republican officeholders are
bending all their efforts... to ban abortion. In
the last few weeks and months, we've seen a
blizzard of anti-choice legislation in Texas,
Ohio, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and many
other places. These laws stall women
seeking abortions with mandatory waiting
periods, brutalize them with invasive and
unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds, force
doctors to read shaming scripts rife with
falsehoods, and impose onerous regulatory
requirements that are designed to be
impossible to comply with so that family-
planning clinics will be forced to close. At
the federal level, the Republican-controlled
House of Representatives voted for a bill
banning all abortion after 20 weeks, without
even putting up a pretense that this was
constitutional.

One would think the drubbing taken by anti-
choice zealots like Todd Akin in the last
election would have given Republicans an
incentive to step back and consider whether
this is a winning strategy. Instead, it seems
as if their losses have only inspired them to
fight harder. For the right-wing Christian
fundamentalists who dominate the
Republican Party, banning abortion, or at
least piling up pointless regulations to make
it as burdensome and difficult to obtain as
possible, has become an all-consuming
obsession, akin to a religious crusade.

Given the amount of effort and political
capital the religious right puts into trying to
restrict abortion, you'd guess that opposition
to women's choice must take up a huge
portion of the Bible. But the reality is that
nothing could be further from the truth.

The Bible says nothing whatsoever about
abortion. It never mentions the subject, not
once, neither in the Old Testament nor the
New. This isn't because abortion was
unknown in the ancient world. Much to the
contrary, the ancient Greeks and Romans
were well-acquainted with the idea. Surviving
writings from these cultures recommend the
use of herbs like pennyroyal, silphium and
hellebore to induce abortion; others advise
vigorous physical activity to cause a
miscarriage, and some even discuss surgical
methods.

It's impossible to imagine that no Jewish or
Christian woman in the ancient world ever
had to deal with an unwanted pregnancy.
Thus, it's reasonable to conclude that the
Bible's authors never mention abortion
because they weren't especially concerned
about it. This often forces modern Christian
anti-choicers to resort to laughable
rationalizations like, "It was so unthinkable
that an Israelite woman should desire an
abortion that there was no need to mention
this offense in the criminal code." (This, in a
book whose authors thought it worthwhile to
set down the punishment for having a
threesome with your wife and mother-in-
law.)

There are later Christian writings that
explicitly mention and forbid abortion, such
as the Didache. But none of these
documents made it into the canon of the
Bible, which must be frustrating for modern
anti-choicers who'd love to have a "clobber
verse" they can throw at women seeking to
exercise control over their own bodies.

Instead, religious-right activists are forced to
engage in creative reinterpretation of vague
biblical passages, trying to wring out
something they can use to "prove" God is in
favor of mandatory childbearing. One of the
common ones is Jeremiah 1:4-5, which they
claim as a divine endorsement of fetal
personhood:

The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew
you, before you were born I set you apart; I
appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

The most obvious problem with this, besides
the fact that it says nothing specific about
abortion, is that it's not a general statement
about all of humanity; it's a special
predestination intended only for the prophet
Jeremiah. What's more, from an anti-choice
standpoint, it says too much: it says that
God knew Jeremiah not just while he was in
the womb, but before forming him in the
womb. Perhaps the pro-life slogan should
be, "Life begins before conception"?
Taps86 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:33 PM EST
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I'm just going to do it for everyone else
Burner02 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:42 PM EST
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Taps86 wrote:
I'm just going to do it for everyone else






SHUT THE FUCK UP!




Taps,

Thank you!
Taps86 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:43 PM EST
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It's the Elijah Craig.
Quilp Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:47 PM EST
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What's a RICKMAVEN?
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:48 PM EST
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THE CONSTITUTION MAKES NO MENTION OF PROTECTING MURDER!!!!




POOPY.
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:49 PM EST
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THE CONSTITUTION MAKES NO MENTION OF PROTECTING MURDER!!!!




POOPY.
Abrignac Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:49 PM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/belief/theres-nothing-
about-abortion-bible-so-how-do-right-wing-
christians-justify-their-crusade

There's Nothing About Abortion in the Bible -
- So How Do Right-Wing Christians Justify
Their Crusade Against Women?
The modern religious right is trying to bring
back the Bible's teaching that women are
inferior and should be the possessions of
men.
Belief AlterNet / By Adam Lee 282
COMMENTS There's Nothing About Abortion
in the Bible -- So How Do Right-Wing
Christians Justify Their Crusade Against
Women?
The modern religious right is trying to bring
back the Bible's teaching that women are
inferior and should be the possessions of
men.

Photo Credit: Shutterstock.com
July 17, 2013 | Like this article?Join our
email list:Stay up to date with the latest
headlines via email.
While America languishes in an economic
depression, Republican officeholders are
bending all their efforts... to ban abortion. In
the last few weeks and months, we've seen a
blizzard of anti-choice legislation in Texas,
Ohio, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and many
other places. These laws stall women
seeking abortions with mandatory waiting
periods, brutalize them with invasive and
unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds, force
doctors to read shaming scripts rife with
falsehoods, and impose onerous regulatory
requirements that are designed to be
impossible to comply with so that family-
planning clinics will be forced to close. At
the federal level, the Republican-controlled
House of Representatives voted for a bill
banning all abortion after 20 weeks, without
even putting up a pretense that this was
constitutional.

One would think the drubbing taken by anti-
choice zealots like Todd Akin in the last
election would have given Republicans an
incentive to step back and consider whether
this is a winning strategy. Instead, it seems
as if their losses have only inspired them to
fight harder. For the right-wing Christian
fundamentalists who dominate the
Republican Party, banning abortion, or at
least piling up pointless regulations to make
it as burdensome and difficult to obtain as
possible, has become an all-consuming
obsession, akin to a religious crusade.

Given the amount of effort and political
capital the religious right puts into trying to
restrict abortion, you'd guess that opposition
to women's choice must take up a huge
portion of the Bible. But the reality is that
nothing could be further from the truth.

The Bible says nothing whatsoever about
abortion. It never mentions the subject, not
once, neither in the Old Testament nor the
New. This isn't because abortion was
unknown in the ancient world. Much to the
contrary, the ancient Greeks and Romans
were well-acquainted with the idea. Surviving
writings from these cultures recommend the
use of herbs like pennyroyal, silphium and
hellebore to induce abortion; others advise
vigorous physical activity to cause a
miscarriage, and some even discuss surgical
methods.

It's impossible to imagine that no Jewish or
Christian woman in the ancient world ever
had to deal with an unwanted pregnancy.
Thus, it's reasonable to conclude that the
Bible's authors never mention abortion
because they weren't especially concerned
about it. This often forces modern Christian
anti-choicers to resort to laughable
rationalizations like, "It was so unthinkable
that an Israelite woman should desire an
abortion that there was no need to mention
this offense in the criminal code." (This, in a
book whose authors thought it worthwhile to
set down the punishment for having a
threesome with your wife and mother-in-
law.)

There are later Christian writings that
explicitly mention and forbid abortion, such
as the Didache. But none of these
documents made it into the canon of the
Bible, which must be frustrating for modern
anti-choicers who'd love to have a "clobber
verse" they can throw at women seeking to
exercise control over their own bodies.

Instead, religious-right activists are forced to
engage in creative reinterpretation of vague
biblical passages, trying to wring out
something they can use to "prove" God is in
favor of mandatory childbearing. One of the
common ones is Jeremiah 1:4-5, which they
claim as a divine endorsement of fetal
personhood:

The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew
you, before you were born I set you apart; I
appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

The most obvious problem with this, besides
the fact that it says nothing specific about
abortion, is that it's not a general statement
about all of humanity; it's a special
predestination intended only for the prophet
Jeremiah. What's more, from an anti-choice
standpoint, it says too much: it says that
God knew Jeremiah not just while he was in
the womb, but before forming him in the
womb. Perhaps the pro-life slogan should
be, "Life begins before conception"?



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Taps86 Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:49 PM EST
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Quilp wrote:
What's a RICKMAVEN?



A hairy old man who thinks he needs to type in CAPS lock 99% of the time.
Quilp Offline
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They say you shouldn't feed trolls
DadZilla3 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 6:51 PM EST
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In the Bible, I always figured that 'thou shalt not kill' or 'thou shalt not murder' meant that, you know, we shouldn't kill or murder.

Since abortion kills a living but as yet unborn baby, there you go. So simple even a liberal should be able to understand it.
Taps86 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 7:03 PM EST
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In the bible it also talks about parting of the red sea. You wont catch me doing that. That's for sure. I'm fine with 1 week a month I suppose.....
Roaster Dude Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 8:19 PM EST
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What is so confusing about " thou shalt not kill"
rfenst Online
#14 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 8:30 PM EST
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[quote=Taps86]I'm just going to do it for everyone else






quote]

Show a modicum of respect big shot.
Taps86 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 8:41 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Show a modicum of respect big shot.

d'oh!
jackconrad Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 10:32 PM EST
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"There's Nothing About Abortion in the Bible -
- So How Do Right-Wing Christians Justify
Their Crusade Against Women?"

You mean the ones we save from death because we won't let some Doctor chop their heads off before they are delivered ????
jackconrad Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 10:34 PM EST
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" Thou shalt not kill"

Before you use the Bible as a reference you should actually know what's in it Rick..
Bur Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 10:38 PM EST
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Return to forum without posting

(and putting the popcorn on)
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2013, 11:20 PM EST
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jackconrad wrote:
" Thou shalt not kill"

Before you use the Bible as a reference you should actually know what's in it Rick..

Pretty sure that's in the 10 Commandments. Part of the Prequel.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 12:03 AM EST
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maybe it was on the tablet Moses dropped after visiting the singing bush.... Think
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 1:17 AM EST
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d'oh!
HockeyDad Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 6:46 AM EST
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Islamic teachings on abortion

Muslims regard abortion as wrong and haram (forbidden), but many accept that it may be permitted in certain cases.

All schools of Muslim law accept that abortion is permitted if continuing the pregnancy would put the mother's life in real danger. This is the only reason accepted for abortion after 120 days of the pregnancy.

Different schools of Muslim law hold different views on whether any other reasons for abortion are permitted, and at what stage of pregnancy if so.

Some schools of Muslim law permit abortion in the first 16 weeks of pregnancy, while others only permit it in the first 7 weeks.

However, even those scholars who would permit early abortion in certain cases still regard abortion as wrong, but do not regard it as a punishable wrong. The more advanced the pregnancy, the greater the wrong.

The Qur'an does not explicitly refer to abortion but offers guidance on related matters. Scholars accept that this guidance can properly be applied to abortion.

The Islamic view is based on the very high priority the faith gives to the sanctity of life. The Qur'an states:

Whosoever has spared the life of a soul, it is as though he has spared the life of all people. Whosoever has killed a soul, it is as though he has murdered all of mankind.

Most Muslim scholars would say that a foetus in the womb is recognised and protected by Islam as a human life.

Islam allows abortion to save the life of the mother because it sees this as the 'lesser of two evils' and there is a general principle in Sharia (Muslim law) of choosing the lesser of two evils.

Abortion is regarded as a lesser evil in this case because:

the mother is the 'originator' of the foetus
the mother's life is well-established
the mother has with duties and responsibilities
the mother is part of a family
allowing the mother to die would also kill the foetus in most cases

The Qur'an makes it clear that a foetus must not be aborted because the family fear that they will not be able to provide for it - they should trust Allah to look after things:

Kill not your offspring for fear of poverty; it is We who provide for them and for you. Surely, killing them is a great sin.

Qur'an 17:32

The same (and similar) texts also ban abortion on social or financial grounds relating to the mother or the rest of the family - e.g. that the pregnancy wasn't planned and a baby will interfere with the mother's life, education or career.
Quilp Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 6:55 AM EST
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Why do people who can't get pregnant get a vote.
HockeyDad Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 6:57 AM EST
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Quilp wrote:
Why do people who can't get pregnant get a vote.



You mean like.....fathers?
Quilp Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 7:01 AM EST
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Yes. The guy who had a two minute seizure on top of her. Where not talking stable Christian married families, who waited to have sex till married.
HockeyDad Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 7:10 AM EST
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Quilp wrote:
Yes. The guy who had a two minute seizure on top of her. Where not talking stable Christian married families, who waited to have sex till married.



Is there a form where he can "opt-out" on child support?
Quilp Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 7:17 AM EST
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I'm not sure, I've never accidentally knocked anyone up. I'm positive, however, that almost every store has condoms in all sizes and styles. Around a buck apiece. Fill out one of those, if you're worried about paying child support.

How do they do it in France?
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 7:21 AM EST
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Quilp wrote:
I'm not sure, I've never accidentally knocked anyone up. I'm positive, however, that almost every store has condoms in all sizes and styles. Around a buck apiece. Fill out one of those, if you're worried about paying child support.



Isn't that the same thing as saying she shoulda kept her vag shut and then there be no need to kill the unborn?
HockeyDad Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 7:23 AM EST
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Quilp wrote:
How do they do it in France?


It is open season on fetuses. No bag limit.
Quilp Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 7:28 AM EST
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I guess. He said, she said. Woulda, shoulda, coulda. When its all said and done, we can't get pregnant, and don't have to grow another life in our bodies. You and I needn't get involved in their choice, that currently is legal.
HockeyDad Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 7:33 AM EST
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It is currently legal but even speed limits gets changed. People regardless of their gender try to have laws changed because they feel the law is wrong.
TMCTLT Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 9:26 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Show a modicum of respect big shot.



IMHO Robert respect IS something to be earned, not just handed out because someone else says so :)
We are / were taught as children to "respect our elders" because WE are children and don't yet hold the knowledge to question authority. However with the "dumbing down" in this country I'm not convinced this is sound logic anymore, the adult population seems to be on the whole growing increasingly more ignorant with each year that passes. I also DO NOT respect Ricks ability to copy / paste whatever fits his emotional state.



Quilp wrote:
I guess. He said, she said. Woulda, shoulda, coulda. When its all said and done, we can't get pregnant, and don't have to grow another life in our bodies. You and I needn't get involved in their choice, that currently is legal.




You do understand that the whole Roe V Wade thing was built / passed on LIES.....yes???
In fact the very woman who was the subject of the case is now AGAINST it...
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 9:40 AM EST
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Context
rfenst Online
#34 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 12:00 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
IMHO Robert respect IS something to be earned, not just handed out because someone else says so :)
We are / were taught as children to "respect our elders" because WE are children and don't yet hold the knowledge to question authority. However with the "dumbing down" in this country I'm not convinced this is sound logic anymore, the adult population seems to be on the whole growing increasingly more ignorant with each year that passes. I also DO NOT respect Ricks ability to copy / paste whatever fits his emotional state.


He's earned it. Others have earned it. Ignorant he's not. You just don't like him and the way he views the world. You let his posts rile you. Cut 'n pastes and references are indicative of what one reads. What one reads typically represents one's state of mind.


You do understand that the whole Roe V Wade thing was built / passed on LIES.....yes???
In fact the very woman who was the subject of the case is now AGAINST it...

So, are there any other SCOTUS cases you want her to overrule?
TMCTLT Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 12:10 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
So, are there any other SCOTUS cases you want her to overrule?




To be quite honest Robert, I'm NOT sure she could do any worse....thanks for asking
rfenst Online
#36 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 12:11 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is open season on fetuses. No bag limit.


LMFAO on the stir.
TMCTLT Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 12:14 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
LMFAO on the stir.




My good man....if ANYONE or any profession is guilty of " stirring" it would be YOURS
rfenst Online
#38 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 12:25 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
My good man....if ANYONE or any profession is guilty of " stirring" it would be YOURS


OK. Here we go again...
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 12:48 PM EST
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I vaguely remember a post birth mass abortion in the bible.

Quilp Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 1:36 PM EST
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Rfenst must be a lawyer?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 4:09 PM EST
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Taps86

you are speaking for everyone?

who elected you spokesman?

what's wrong with the article?

i stopped using caps weeks ago.

#12 i can't even understand what you are
trying to say

jackconrad

a fetus is not a person except in the eyes of
repubican, few if any have brains.

i vote for vaginal ultra sounds for women
and cystoscopes for men, start the line and
be the first.

Quilp 25

another good reason to avoid christianity

27

the french they area funny race

they talk with thier nose
and f*** with thier face
TMCTLT 32

i have no problem with copy and paste when an author says something
better then i could.


"You do understand that the whole Roe V Wade thing was built /

passed on LIES.....yes???

In fact the very woman who was the subject of the case is now

AGAINST it...

tell me about the lies.

i have to stop for a while. toby and i axe watching a 15 part english

tv series starring gillian anderson.
i'll pick up with #34
frankj1 Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 5:05 PM EST
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#12 i can't even understand what you are
trying to say

Rick, Taps was talking about his wife getting her period
Gene363 Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 5:35 PM EST
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Why not offer free abortions if accompanied by permanent sterilization?

After all, if you can't take care of the current baby, why allow another?

It would also tend to end the blood lines of those willing to kill their own offspring, a win win!


FWIW, I think abortion is barbaric and totally against the natural order, especially the nurturing nature of women. At the same time, I don't believe the government has any business up a woman's skirt.
frankj1 Offline
#44 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 9:34 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Why not offer free abortions if accompanied by permanent sterilization?

After all, if you can't take care of the current baby, why allow another?

It would also tend to end the blood lines of those willing to kill their own offspring, a win win!


FWIW, I think abortion is barbaric and totally against the natural order, especially the nurturing nature of women. At the same time, I don't believe the government has any business up a woman's skirt.

and therein lies the debate of our nation. two very powerful concepts, seemingly mutually exclusive, colliding for decades. Nice short, concise summary Gene. Wrestling with this when it comes to law, eh?
Gene363 Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 9:53 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
and therein lies the debate of our nation. two very powerful concepts, seemingly mutually exclusive, colliding for decades. Nice short, concise summary Gene. Wrestling with this when it comes to law, eh?


Sure, sometimes it's difficult to mind your own business, but I manage.

I feel the same about drugs too.
frankj1 Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 10:31 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Sure, sometimes it's difficult to mind your own business, but I manage.

I feel the same about drugs too.

on the surface, due to categorizing people like you and me, many would find it hard to believe that we share certain struggles. But it's complex, not cut and dry.
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#47 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2013, 10:49 PM EST
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Taps you spoke for me!! And Rick all I can say is you better thank God that your mom didn't believe the same stupid chit you do!!
Brewha Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2013, 12:33 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

FWIW, I think abortion is barbaric and totally against the natural order, especially the nurturing nature of women. At the same time, I don't believe the government has any business up a woman's skirt.

+1
tailgater Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2013, 2:42 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:



FWIW, I think abortion is barbaric and totally against the natural order, especially the nurturing nature of women. At the same time, I don't believe the government has any business up a woman's skirt.


Then we should stop calling it a "choice".

When Planned Parenthood gives out their questionnaire, it should state:
Check here if you want to carry your baby to term.
Check here if you want to end the life of your unborn child.

Too many on the left pee their panties when a pro-lifer calls abortion murder.
Fine.
But stop hiding the truth.
The unborn child has a heartbeat. How many woman who get an abortion know this? How many saw it on an ultrasound? Or listened to it before flushing out of her womb?

Keep it legal, but keep it honest.
Maybe they should be forced to listen to the heartbeat, or see the tiny unborn child. You want to call it a fetus instead? OK. Listen to the heartbeat of the living fetus in the womb before they use surgical instruments to suck out the brain.

If you think this is too morbid, then you're beginning to understand exactly what abortion is.

Keep it legal. I agree. But we should push hard to make it the last "choice" rather than the easiest.
Brewha Offline
#50 Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2013, 3:54 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Then we should stop calling it a "choice".

When Planned Parenthood gives out their questionnaire, it should state:
Check here if you want to carry your baby to term.
Check here if you want to end the life of your unborn child.

Too many on the left pee their panties when a pro-lifer calls abortion murder.
Fine.
But stop hiding the truth.
The unborn child has a heartbeat. How many woman who get an abortion know this? How many saw it on an ultrasound? Or listened to it before flushing out of her womb?

Keep it legal, but keep it honest.
Maybe they should be forced to listen to the heartbeat, or see the tiny unborn child. You want to call it a fetus instead? OK. Listen to the heartbeat of the living fetus in the womb before they use surgical instruments to suck out the brain.

If you think this is too morbid, then you're beginning to understand exactly what abortion is.

Keep it legal. I agree. But we should push hard to make it the last "choice" rather than the easiest.

And what if the woman HONESTLY wants you to mind your own vagina?

This is the problem with so many on the right. They 'know what is right' for everyone because they believe they know the mind of God. Who cares if it is in the King James Version, they 'just know what is right'.

Btw, the right doesn't make the assanine statement that abortion is murder because they are stupid. They do it to push an agenda . . . .
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