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I never mentioned God or religion. But you did. Because your argument falls flat without it.
As for an agenda?
You're correct.
The Right's agenda is to keep the unborn baby alive.

My post that you reference supports this agenda. But it still allows for the woman to make the final decision, with the sole caveat of educating them first.
Sorry that upsets you.

Ok, I was gonna keep quiet because there's nothing dumber than a bunch of old white guys arguing over what rights a woman should have.

but this is incorrect, and there's nothing I dislike more than inaccuracies.

Fetal heart development starts at the earliest at 6 weeks. This means some abortions could occur when there is a heartbeat HOWEVER (and this is where people tend to get lost, in the details, also this is why people who are idiots and unable to understand complex concepts, shouldn't be allowed to make decisions) this is not a heart in the same way you think of one. It actually resembles a fish heart, as it hasn't developed the multiple chambers. So if you're going to start claiming a heartbeat is some indicator of a need to not have an abortion, you shouldn't be killing fish either. It isn't until the end of the first trimester that an actual heart has developed.

But, lets start at a more basic question.
Who cares when the heartbeat begins?

The heart was historically a determination of life, simply because we weren't smart enough to have figured out the value of the brain, and we didn't have the tools/equipment necessary to measure brain activity. We only knew that if the heart stopped, the person died. Hell, the same thing will happen if your liver stops. Heart function is not in any way tied to human life. A person can still be a person with something else pumping their blood (I believe this has been proven).

If the anti-abortion ass-clowns out there want to tie life to something, they should at least drag themselves into the current century and identify brain activity.

You’re right of course TG – I would do better. Maybe it was because it was a Sunday afternoon. Maybe I just did not apply myself. Maybe it was the Tequila – and beer.

I mention God because interpreting a fertilized egg as person who can be murdered (with a soul I would assume) is plainly a point of religion – not science, and not law.

And I would like to point out that the people who are militant about telling others that they cannot terminate a pregnancy are the ones who carp the loudest about children being born into welfare. I guess God wants them here no matter what – just don’t ask to help pay for them . . . .

Just out of curiosity TG, where do you get off “educating” people? Were you going to be explaining that a beating heart does not indicate higher brain function, or is the goal to just make them feel the guilt of what you consider a heinous act?

We need some sort of "means test" so we can make sure we only abort the future welfare Democrats. Welfare Democrats.....isn't that redundant?!

Let the heathens spill theirs on the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for each sperm that can’t be found . . . .

I told you guys we crawled out of ponds...

Sorry TG, this still smells fishy (no pun intended). You are of the opinion that women need to be educated prior to having an abortion – let me understand;

This listening to the ‘heart’ and viewing the sonogram – Would they need this education for every abortion or just the first one?
What if they are a medical doctor? Would further education be needed, or would their license suffice?

You see, I have a lot of trouble believing that your interest is in education. Of course you might really think women are that stupid. Or perhaps you just want the process to be difficult and emotionally demanding – after all, we would not want it to be easy, now would we?

Yeah, but you know how women don’t pay attention and all. You just gots ta keep re-educate thems or they’ll go off and accidentally have abortions just like theys accidentally got knock up!

Maybe the abortions should be offered right there in the high schools and junior highs. They wouldn't miss school that way.

Supervised, of course

If only.

But we can't be so cruel and insensitive as to expect parents to pay for the basic needs of all their babies now, can we?

Screw abortion and the people that go through with it, the people that support it, and the doctors that provide that service. Murder is Murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say this because a guy from my home town town hits a gal head on ( not drinking and driving) and she was 9 weeks pregnant. she died and the baby died and he went to prison for two counts of MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So if you tell me that abortion isn't murder YOU CAN GO SCREW YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!

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If its their fault due to drugs or drinking hell yeah charge them with murder and put them under the jail with no food or water

What, is somebody lacing the public water supply with booze, date rape drugs, and Viagra that we have so many rape victims running around pregnant and desperately in need to abort their baby?

At the time I write this we have had 671,971 abortions this year alone...with 6,518 abortions being due to rape or incest.

That's something like 0.97%

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

It's a medical procedure.
Making them understand exactly what they're aborting should be common sense.
Don't kid yourself. Many understand "pregnant", "inconvenience" and "choice". They're not forced to consider the unborn within. It's not mandatory to understand the relatively high percentage of girls who feel guilt afterwards.

You want doctors to get a bye? Fine.
But why look for low percentage exceptions?
In general, we're talking almost exclusively about young women who apparently make some poor decisions when left to their own devices. Not stupid, as you try to suggest. Just uninformed.

But for some reason, you're against any type of education as a standard practice when performing this medical procedure.

If a boy of 17 years wanted to get a vasectomy, do you think it would be granted without educating him first?

What's a self-proclaimed Jewish atheist doing reading a Bible?

Absolutely untrue.

But keep saying it. You might convince yourself.

And while you're doing it, please try to put into words why it would be wrong to make sure the young woman truly understand the developmental level that their unborn child has reached before they willingly terminate the life.

I'm not trying to trick anyone, although you are undoubtedly stumped.

You are so caught up in the media-induced pro-abortion stupor that you can't accept the fact that the procedure is a big enough deal to deserve at least a modicum of knowledge.
It may be a "choice", but it isn't a simple one.

But I'm glad you consider my approach as an attempt to "shame" the would-be aborter.
Because it proves that you see it as shameful.
That you think they might have second thoughts if they knew exactly what they were aborting.

Heck, this approach might be more effective than I originally thought.

I don't reacall ever seeing anything Pro in the media... I see a LOT of the other side tho...

Actually, I'd prefer to shame them into note being a walking STD collector, as well as creating a human life because they either couldn't figure out how to use birth control, or couldn't keep their legs crossed.

Rape, incest are exceptions to the rule. The VAST majority of abortions are done as a convinence (sp:?).

But that's OK. It is really easy to de-value a life that cannot speak for or defend itself. The next logical step - the one the Nazis eventually made - is to do the same thing ex vitro to those the defines as "undesirable."

And that's what's going on here. "Undesirable" babies are being executed before actual birth.

He’s referring to the non-stop media bombardment on Planet Tailgater:
Abortion clinics running ads on TV, giving out coupons. Katie Couric showing the latest post-abortion wear. The PBS specials that explain that babies come from storks – and we all know shootin’ birds is fun!
And no one – not one God fearing person – is saying or doing anything about the “Holocaust of the Unborn”. It’s enough to make one lose their mind . . . .

Yeah, That’s it Potts – Them liberals is a bunch of murdering fools! And they do it because they are reckless and always take the easy way out. And that is the real rub isn’t it?
If they were killing babies because they hated them, maybe cause they was gonna grow up to be a communist or a mooslum, it would be different. At least the Right Wing nuts have the dignity to hate and damn people in the name of God – but them libberbull is just LAZY!

Rick is always touting his Jewish-ness. If you doubt me, please feel free to look it up.

But he doesn't believe in Him (or claims that he doesn't care about him). The central focus of being a Jew is the religion, and the religion's central belief revolves around the worship of God.

Otherwise, you are a Semite, which is the race. Hittites were Semites, as were the Caananites (sp:?), but they were pagans.

So it seems just a tad hypocritical to be quoting any sort of Scripture that you don't believe in, or reference someone quoting said Scripture to make a point.

I mean, this is aside form the fact that the stuff he's citing is wrong to a staggering degree. But I've never credited Rick with having an overabundance of brains anyways.

So he isn’t Jewish enough . . . .