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DrafterX Offline
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College plaque in Land of Lincoln labels Abe a 'Democrat'
Published November 12, 2013 •

Abraham Lincoln, a Democrat?

So says a plaque at a public university in Lincoln’s home state of Illinois, where, since 1905, students at Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago have seen the nation’s 16th president — and quite possibly its most influential — honored as a democrat.

“This building is dedicated to public service honoring the memory of Abraham Lincoln,” the inscription reads. “Democrat.”

Lincoln, the son of Kentucky frontiersman who began his political career as a Whig Party leader, won the White House in 1860 as a Republican and was later re-elected in 1864 before being assassinated on April 14, 1865. A synopsis of his political career at WhiteHouse.gov notes that Lincoln “built the Republican Party into a strong national organization” as president.

“It’s very deceiving, especially in the political climate we're in.”
- Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA


But Northeastern Illinois University officials insist there’s more to the word “democrat” at the Carruthers Center for Inner City Studies.

“From time to time, the integrity of a plaque honoring the memory of Abraham Lincoln is questioned,” school officials said in a statement to The College Fix. “According to building archives, the word democrat was used because Lincoln was an advocate for democracy — the political or social equality of all people. The word was not chosen to reflect a political affiliation.”

The building, which was initially designed by Frank Lloyd Wright for his uncle, the Rev. Jenkin Lloyd Jones, became a point of controversy when Jones and Wright disagreed about its design. In 1902, the project was handed off to Dwight Perkins, who made several alterations to Wright’s original concept.

Then, in 1969, the Abraham Lincoln Center was purchased by the Illinois Board of Governors of State Colleges and Universities for Northeastern Illinois University. Since that time, the building has housed the university’s Carruthers Center for Inner City Studies, now in its 47th year. The center is designed to be a place where students can focus on the “political, economic, cultural and social forces” that impact inner cities.

“The academic programs housed in this building promote political and social equality, the same values espoused by Abraham Lincoln,” the statement continued. “Northeastern Illinois University recognizes the context that this plaque was created and intends to uphold its integrity.”

One nonprofit group in the state, however, intends to see that the plaque be changed to better reflect Lincoln’s political affiliation and legacy.

Charlie Kirk, founder and executive director of Turning Point USA, told FoxNews.com that the plaque represents “fallacious miseducation” in the purest form.

“It’s very deceiving, especially in the political climate we're in,” Kirk said Tuesday. “And since this is a publicly-funded university, we really felt that we had to do something.”

Kirk said the plaque could be amended with a footnote or, better yet, replaced altogether.

“There are many different ways to go about it,” Kirk continued. “We just want it replaced with one that’s historically accurate.”


Film at 11..... Not talking
HockeyDad Offline
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They should hang a "10 Commandments" plaque next to it.
DrafterX Offline
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Moses was a democrat too..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
Moses was a democrat too..?? Huh

Shame on you he was a Libertarian.
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I dunno man... he did make up a bunch of pretty restrictive laws punishable by eternal damnation and stuff... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I dunno man... he did make up a bunch of pretty restrictive laws punishable by eternal damnation and stuff... Mellow



So he would be Dept of Homeland Security today.
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prolly.... he did carry a big stick... Mellow
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I heard he hated cows too.... Mellow
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Whig then a Republican. Everybody should know that.
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Rewriting history, What Da! Isn't that what the commies do?
horse
Buckwheat Offline
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Gene363 wrote:

Rewriting history, What Da! Isn't that what the commies do?
horse


"History is written by the victors." - Churchill fog
teedubbya Offline
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"Ouch" - Abe Lincoln
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Buckwheat wrote:
"History is written by the victors." - Churchill fog



Think
well, that would explain the raining frogs and parting of the red sea and stuff..... Think
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How come Vctor gets to write history? Why can't we let Potts do it every now and then? Just because he is no good at math doesn't mean he is bad at history. And stuff.
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if Victor could re-write history we'd all be speaking gay-homo... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
if Victor could re-write history we'd all be speaking gay-homo... Mellow



All of us instead of just you? I'm sure glad vic sdoesnt get to do that
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... The first thing people should do when faced with something like this is ask themselves why a plaque which has been in place since 1909 is suddenly a news story for them?

Context is everything.
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victor809 wrote:
... The first thing people should do when faced with something like this is ask themselves why a plaque which has been in place since 1909 is suddenly a news story for them?

Context is everything.



The story was buried by the left wing media
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard he hated cows too.... Mellow

just the calves. big thigh man though.
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DrafterX wrote:
Moses was a democrat too..?? Huh

Well, Jesus was a liberal . . . . So it does follow.
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teedubbya wrote:
All of us instead of just you? I'm sure glad vic sdoesnt get to do that





He plays 'rugby' ya know...Wink
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Brewha wrote:
Well, Jesus was a liberal . . . . So it does follow.







Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
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victor809 wrote:
... The first thing people should do when faced with something like this is ask themselves why a plaque which has been in place since 1909 is suddenly a news story for them?

Context is everything.



so they should just let it go..?? even tho it's wrong..?? When people think of Lincoln, right or wrong, he's credited with freeing the slaves... why do they want the Democrats to take the credit for that..?? Huh
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Brewha wrote:
Well, Jesus was a liberal . . . . So it does follow.



Moses was just the messenger I guess... the singing bush told him what to carve... Mellow
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so they should just let it go..?? even tho it's wrong..?? When people think of Lincoln, right or wrong, he's credited with freeing the slaves... why do they want the Democrats to take the credit for that..?? Huh






Remember, this is Vic that posted that...OhMyGod
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I know... he agrees there's a problem there but debate is his thing... I accept his apology in advance... Mellow
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I know... I accept his apology in advance... Mellow







Like that's ever gonna happen.....Brick wall
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he wears his clopper shirt with pride... gotta respect that.... Unsure
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DrafterX wrote:
he wears his clopper shirt with pride... gotta respect that.... Unsure






He's prolly 'scrumming' as we speak.....
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I don't know what that is and I'm ok with not knowing that.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I don't know what that is and I'm ok with not knowing that.... Mellow






It's where 2 groups of grown men, wearing different colored cloppers, press their bodies together and 'wrestle' each other for somebody's ball...
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freaks.... Not talking
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

Sorry.

Jesus was known for his "boot strap lecture" and cries to deregulate the banking industry.
And he would have NEVER backed giving away healthcare . . . . Especially to the poor.

No way this guy was a liberal.
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Moses was just the messenger I guess... the singing bush told him what to carve... Mellow

People have blamed bush for a lot of things, but the Ten Commandments??????
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Brewha wrote:
People have blamed bush for a lot of things, but the Ten Commandments??????


yes... if you ever doubted Bush it's eternal damnation for you.. Shame on you
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yes... if you ever doubted Bush it's eternal damnation for you.. Shame on you





He's doomed to be reincarnated as Fuzz
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DrafterX wrote:
so they should just let it go..?? even tho it's wrong..?? When people think of Lincoln, right or wrong, he's credited with freeing the slaves... why do they want the Democrats to take the credit for that..?? Huh


But it isn't wrong within the context of the original plaque. The term "democrat" has two meanings, the plaque is clearly referencing the primary meaning: "an advocate or supporter of democracy".

If you have a problem with it, change the Republican party name to something with another meaning.

This is a whole lot of noise about absolutely nothing.
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victor809 wrote:
The term "democrat" has two meanings, the plaque is clearly referencing the primary meaning: "an advocate or supporter of democracy".


then they should clarify it with a second plaque... I know you see the problem here... Not talking
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It's only a problem if you're too stupid to understand English.

Are you seriously advocating a second plaque? What do you think the possible impact of this plaque in an Illinois university? You wouldn't even know about its existence if some other individual with a poor grasp of the English language complained about it loudly enough to make a news story.
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a second plaque isn't really a good idea.. a good idea would be to correct the one with the wrong information... twist it however you want to but it's intentionaly deceptive and they know it... Not talking
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The truth is that no one alive really knows what this plaque means as anyone who was involved with it is dead. The thing has been there for over a century and all of a sudden some idiots are getting their panties in a wad over it. Who honestly gives a flying Fudge about it? At the end of the day this is just more noise that is being used to drown out the real issues. JMNSHO
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uhh.. that plaque says Democrat.... somebody looking at the plaque isn't gonna wonder which meaning of Democrat was intended..... it's not an issue if it fits your agenda I guess... (and I don't mean yours specifically Buckwheat).. Mellow
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I went to buy a whig the other day and the dude tried to give me a furry hat. WTF?

Angry

If this is a windmill appropriate to chase don't complain about some of the other PC crap being spewed when folks try to apply todays context to things from 100 years ago.
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it's more like the bus wheels.... Mellow
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poor Abe... I wonder how people will remember him in another hundred years..... Sad
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poor Abe... I wonder how people will remember him in another hundred years..... Sad


that's the problem. you are trying to apply todays context rather than the one back then. the plaque has not been controversial until some idiot from today got ahold of it. Abe was accused of being a dictator (no not a spud shaped like a koch) and someone who wasn't even an American who destroyed the country during and following the war of northern aggression. This was a plaque put up for some reason in his home state to honor him and I'll give you it had intent. But my guess is the intent wasn't to call him blue rather than red. It's plain silly.
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I heard Abe only had one ball.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard Abe only had one ball.... Mellow


See he is only branded a democrat for a hunnert years and you are already comparing him to hitler
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d'oh!
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I heard the same person who put up that plaque trying to claim honest abe as member of the party of jack asses also had a hand in a certain kenyan birth certificate scandal... the dude was very forward thinking. (don't tell anyone but I think it was that rostankowski (sp?) guy...... or maybe daley
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