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ZRX1200 Online
#51 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2013, 11:01 AM EST
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I bet he feels real guilty though.
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#52 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2013, 11:02 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Actually I do have a " personal story " but will NOT share in an open forum.....you really DON'T know every situation HD



Everybody who has kids has a personal story.
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#53 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2013, 11:03 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I bet he feels real guilty though.



Yeah, let's see how long before he gets his NEXT DUI etc.........some are MORE equal than others
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#54 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2013, 11:04 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I bet he feels real guilty though.



I doubt he does. I also doubt he makes it too long into his probation. I'm curious what his sentence would revert to at that point.
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#55 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2013, 11:18 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I doubt he does. I also doubt he makes it too long into his probation. I'm curious what his sentence would revert to at that point.



he'd prolly get a new identity and start over.. he's pretty ugly so a face lift and stuff would happen too... Mellow
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#56 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2013, 11:44 AM EST
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#21 ^^^^ Bloody

Shushhhhhh ......you MOFO.....

I am a member of
"the underground Poughkeepsie 15" ....
And you are now a drone target for giving away our "triple secret probation location"
YOU DUMB F#CK....

WE WILL not be blamed for anymore things till we can find a new base of operations.....Athens, Georgia is warmer this time of year...no more blaming us till we get comcast cable hooked up in our new secret bunker , in peachy keen Georgia.
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#57 Posted: Mon, Dec 16 2013, 2:06 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
#21 ^^^^ Bloody

Shushhhhhh ......you MOFO.....

I am a member of
"the underground Poughkeepsie 15" ....
And you are now a drone target for giving away our "triple secret probation location"
YOU DUMB F#CK....

WE WILL not be blamed for anymore things till we can find a new base of operations.....Athens, Georgia is warmer this time of year...no more blaming us till we get comcast cable hooked up in our new secret bunker , in peachy keen Georgia.

Scared Don't you make me whip out the white hispanic card in self defense!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAcucaracha!
Herfing
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#58 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 11:38 AM EST
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http://kfor.com/2013/12/16/victims-families-file-multimillion-dollar-lawsuits-against-affluenza-teen/
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#59 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 11:56 AM EST
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HD, you made me think & possibly reconsider. Quite an accomplishment- to make me think that is!
I don't know that I would use the rich defense any more now that unlike you (and other home brewers) I'm a poor schlub like most on these boards. Having said that, I would use any defense allowed if he killed accidentally. However, if my son were a crime mob or intentional murderer, I wouldn't let the early alzheimer's interfere with his deserved prosecution.
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#60 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 2:46 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
HD, you made me think & possibly reconsider. Quite an accomplishment- to make me think that is!
I don't know that I would use the rich defense any more now that unlike you (and other home brewers) I'm a poor schlub like most on these boards. Having said that, I would use any defense allowed if he killed accidentally. However, if my son were a crime mob or intentional murderer, I wouldn't let the early alzheimer's interfere with his deserved prosecution.



Don't. Give me that poor crap. This board is littered with upper middle class and upper class who like to masquerade as endangered species middle class because it is fashionable. Poor don't smoke cigars.

He did kill accidentally. He didn't run his car through a crowd of people on purpose. He didn't shoot anybody.

Maybe one day he'll cure cancer. Not if our noose-tieing crowd has their bloodlust satisfied.
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#61 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 2:56 PM EST
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wonder what's gonna happen the next time someone uses this as a defense... Think

do you have to kill someone to get off or will just hitting a tree or somethin work..?? Think
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#62 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:14 PM EST
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It wasn't a defense. The kid plead guilty. It was at sentencing.

He might need wtness protection from the Cbid outrage mob.

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#63 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:14 PM EST
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F. Scott Fitzgerald was the first to recognize "affluenza," although he identified the "disease" using a different name -- Tom and Daisy Buchanan. The Great Gatzby is an entire novel that represents an indictment of the clowns whose self-entitlement manifests in careless, destructive, narcissistic behavior. "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

Great thread.
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#64 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:15 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Don't. Give me that poor crap. This board is littered with upper middle class and upper class who like to masquerade as endangered species middle class because it is fashionable. Poor don't smoke cigars.

He did kill accidentally. He didn't run his car through a crowd of people on purpose. He didn't shoot anybody.

Maybe one day he'll cure cancer. Not if our noose-tieing crowd has their bloodlust satisfied.



I yam poor at the moment... but it's all relative, ain't it? I still smoke cigars though. Been doing it since HS. I was broke back then too.
What's eating you, Gilbert Grape? You going through manopause? I admitted that I would do all I could for him if he killed accidentally. Intentional murder? No. BUT I'd spring for an insanity plea & have him treated and committed but not before I gave him a thorough ass whuppin' and offered to make some sort of restitution to the families VOLUNTARILY.

Can't be any plainer than that, HD. You think we is all phoney baloney, enraged, poor wannabees looking for payback from a system running on 3 tires?

Think Lemmee mull that one over. In the meantime, like Z6 said, use the legal system to squeeze the perps family before they hide the cash...(cough cough Goldman vs OJSimpson cough cough)
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#65 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:25 PM EST
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What's eating me! Maybe it is my kid!

Just kidding. I just like pointing out that our internet tough guys all sided with the victims and want blood. You're the only one who admitted you would do everything you could for him if he killed accidentally. The rest of the crowd wants us to believe they would smack their kid for snoring!
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#66 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:30 PM EST
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I don't know if it's 'what we do' so much as 'why it was allowed to happen'... I would have believed his anti-depresents reacted with the beer and made him kill people more than his affluenza defense.. Mellow
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#67 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:34 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
What's eating me! Maybe it is my kid!

Just kidding. I just like pointing out that our internet tough guys all sided with the victims and want blood. You're the only one who admitted you would do everything you could for him. If he killed accidentally. The rest of the crowd wants us to believe they would smack their kid for snoring!

Welcome to the club, brother. Gonz

You know, HD, sometimes it hurts to admit to "weakness" or that we often fall short, especially on a public forum so we post what we think others want to see.
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#68 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:35 PM EST
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He killed them because he was drunk and lost control of his vehicle. Affluenza only came in when it came to how harsh he should be punished.
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#69 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:43 PM EST
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did his mama cry..?? Huh
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#70 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 3:49 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
did his mama cry..?? Huh



After he got his shots!
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#71 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 5:27 PM EST
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I see little difference between this and someone who indiscriminately fires a gun in the direction of a group of people.

Perhaps I'm leaving out some details, but apparently this person had way too much to drink then got behind the wheel. Absent proof that someone Mickey Finn'd him, I say his choices led to the death of 4 people. Just as if he pointed a gun and shot them, they are dead by his hand.

No jail time. What a **** joke.
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#72 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 6:19 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
I see little difference between this and someone who indiscriminately fires a gun in the direction of a group of people.

Perhaps I'm leaving out some details, but apparently this person had way too much to drink then got behind the wheel. Absent proof that someone Mickey Finn'd him, I say his choices led to the death of 4 people. Just as if he pointed a gun and shot them, they are dead by his hand.

No jail time. What a **** joke.





Thanks for saving me the time and I couldn't agree more....
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#73 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 6:36 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
He killed them because he was drunk and lost control of his vehicle. Affluenza only came in when it came to how harsh he should be punished.




And he had NO IDEA drinking could lead to this......Not saying I wouldn't be **** heartbroken over one of my children going through this, but how do YOU look past those lives lost because of this kid and NOT hold him accountable????????
" who just didn't know any better " Not talking tough @ all, and who appointed you forum " know it all " ?
Seems to me your already suffering from " Attitudinal Affluenza "
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#74 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 9:59 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'm sure most posters here would have preferred their child to get 20 years in prison instead of 10 years probation. In fact, they probably would have testified against their child at the sentencing hearing.


If my drunk,high, spoiled POS kid killed four people, I he would do the time. Then again, people in Flyover Country teach values, where the Richers pay somebody else to raise their kids, and then don't understand how their kids have become so disengaged, warped,and valueless.

But no worries. Just write a check.
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#75 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 10:09 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:

I don't know that I would use the rich defense any more now that unlike you (and other home brewers) I'm a poor schlub like most on these boards. Having said that, I would use any defense allowed if he killed accidentally.


So if I find myself drunk or high, flying through your Maryland neighborhood and kill your wife two of you kids and a neighbor, if I can get out of it by writing a check, you would be good with that?

What is the price tag? What magical dollar amount allows me to kill your family and get out of jail free?
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#76 Posted: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 10:35 PM EST
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the kid acted stupidly... they just need summit or somethin.... Mellow

I wonder what a $450,000 dollar a year rehab center looks like... Think
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#77 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 1:26 AM EST
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That kid should spend some time in jail. 12 - 24 months say, studying the lives of his victims and writing reports about them. The families of those killed are already sentenced to life without their family members. At the very least he needs to be cured of 'affluenza,' what better way than jail?


I think HD is playing contrarian or channeling Rick's patented shizzle stirring.
ZRX1200 Online
#78 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 2:03 AM EST
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HD makes good points, most of us would defend our kid. Judging your own is different than a lynch mob.


I may resell some pitchforks and torches I bought in a Florida based company's going out of business sale. I am also raking in on carbon credits for people who actually light their torches.
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#79 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 2:12 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
HD makes good points, most of us would defend our kid. Judging your own is different than a lynch mob.


I may resell some pitchforks and torches I bought in a Florida based company's going out of business sale. I am also raking in on carbon credits for people who actually light their torches.


Are those from the, Burn the Killa Zimmerman trial or Burn the Biotch Casey Anthony trial?

They spoiled him so of course they must defend him, besides, he is still a minor so they have to defend him.
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#80 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 3:35 AM EST
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Man, I butchered my edited post above. LOL

8trackdisco wrote:
So if I find myself drunk or high, flying through your Maryland neighborhood and kill your wife two of you kids and a neighbor, if I can get out of it by writing a check, you would be good with that?

What is the price tag? What magical dollar amount allows me to kill your family and get out of jail free?



You cut off my post. The question I answered related to my son being the perp... not an assailant murdering my family.
HockeyDad wrote:
Don't. Give me that poor crap. This board is littered with upper middle class and upper class who like to masquerade as endangered species middle class because it is fashionable. Poor don't smoke cigars.
He did kill accidentally. He didn't run his car through a crowd of people on purpose. He didn't shoot anybody.
Maybe one day he'll cure cancer. Not if our noose-tieing crowd has their bloodlust satisfied.


bloody spaniard wrote:
...I admitted that I would do all I could for him if he killed accidentally. Intentional murder? No. BUT I'd spring for an insanity plea & have him treated and committed but not before I gave him a thorough ass whuppin' and offered to make some sort of restitution to the families VOLUNTARILY.

Can't be any plainer than that, HD. You think we is all phoney baloney, enraged, poor wannabees looking for payback from a system running on 3 tires?

Think Lemmee mull that one over. In the meantime, like Z6 said, use the legal system to squeeze the perps family before they hide the cash...(cough cough Goldman vs OJSimpson cough cough)


Now to answer your question, there would be no magical price tag if it were done to my family. If it were an accident, I'd probably be angry, forgive, and then feel sorry for him. He's wrecked his life & will be tormented to some degree unless he's a psychopath and has no inner voice. The law would do the rest and there would be an even greater judgement eventually awaiting him. If on purpose, as was done to a relative (you know the details), I'd be angry again and then probably forgive again just as I did in real life. My family thought I was nuts. So be it.

I would have answered this question differently years ago but I've come to a point in my life where I understand the uselessness of hate and anger and the inevitability of a just resolution either here on earth or afterwards. Not trying to be a pollyanna just trying to speak honestly from the heart about a situation I can only conjecture.
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#81 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 6:23 AM EST
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When something like this becomes debatable, it leaves little hope.

So i the end, there aren't any consequences for your actions if the check is big enough.

Guess I learned something new.
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#82 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 7:19 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
And he had NO IDEA drinking could lead to this......Not saying I wouldn't be **** heartbroken over one of my children going through this, but how do YOU look past those lives lost because of this kid and NOT hold him accountable????????
" who just didn't know any better " Not talking tough @ all, and who appointed you forum " know it all " ?
Seems to me your already suffering from " Attitudinal Affluenza "



Heartbroken.....don't start going softee on me now. We've already established that if your kid shoplifted you would bury him in an ant hill and cover his head with honey.
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#83 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 7:27 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
If my drunk,high, spoiled POS kid killed four people, I he would do the time. Then again, people in Flyover Country teach values, where the Richers pay somebody else to raise their kids, and then don't understand how their kids have become so disengaged, warped,and valueless.

But no worries. Just write a check.




You probably wouldn't even help with bail money and would sit in court with the victim's family. Probably throw rotten tomatoes at him as they drag him away.

It is fine to teach values but sometimes values fail even just for a moment. Then what? What is plan "B"? Discard and make another little farmhand?

I wonder how many people on this forum ever got a DUI? Got in a DUI wreck? Drove drunk and didn't get caught? Drank when they were 16? I wonder how many will do it again between now and New Years Day? I guess somebody should have taught them values.
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#84 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 7:31 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
When something like this becomes debatable, it leaves little hope.

So i the end, there aren't any consequences for your actions if the check is big enough.

Guess I learned something new.




No check has even been written.

The only way to re-establish hope is to send a 16 year old kid to prison for 20 years. Then all is right in the world again.
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#85 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:15 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Heartbroken.....don't start going softee on me now. We've already established that if your kid shoplifted you would bury him in an ant hill and cover his head with honey.





I'm not lacking the conviction to do the right thing here HD....YOU ARE
So make ALL the cute little analogies you want...knock yourself out (personally I think you have recieved TOO much Sun on the brain)
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#86 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:19 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You probably wouldn't even help with bail money and would sit in court with the victim's family. Probably throw rotten tomatoes at him as they drag him away.

It is fine to teach values but sometimes values fail even just for a moment. Then what? What is plan "B"? Discard and make another little farmhand?

I wonder how many people on this forum ever got a DUI? Got in a DUI wreck? Drove drunk and didn't get caught? Drank when they were 16? I wonder how many will do it again between now and New Years Day? I guess somebody should have taught them values.




Got something you'd like to tell us there Mr Know it all?


Do you hold the same views if your kid got drunk and " accidentally robbed and killed a store owner ) Just curios how far your mamby pamby protect my little "ferm hand " thing goes
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#87 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:32 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
I'm not lacking the conviction to do the right thing here HD....YOU ARE
So make ALL the cute little analogies you want...knock yourself out (personally I think you have recieved TOO much Sun on the brain)



Nobody says you lack the conviction. You've made it perfectly clear that you're just waiting for one of your little darlings to screw up so you can shoot them in the face with a bazooka.
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#88 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:36 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Nobody says you lack the conviction. You've made it perfectly clear that you're just waiting for one of your little darlings to screw up so you can shoot them in the face with a bazooka.



Your crossing a line you ****....but I don't expect YOU to recognize THAT either F.....K you



Got something you'd like to tell us there Mr Know it all?

I'm going to ASSUME since you did not address this that YOU ARE one of those.
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#89 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:36 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
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Got something you'd like to tell us there Mr Know it all?


Do you hold the same views if your kid got drunk and " accidentally robbed and killed a store owner ) Just curios how far your mamby pamby protect my little "ferm hand " thing goes



I'm not sure it is possible to "accidentally" rob and kill a store owner.

Well....what type of store owner? Are we talking like convenience store run by an arab or Indian or like a real store?
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#90 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:39 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Your crossing a line you ****....but I don't expect YOU to recognize THAT either F.....K you



Oh crap....an invisible line.
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#91 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:45 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Got something you'd like to tell us there Mr Know it all?

I'm going to ASSUME since you did not address this that YOU ARE one of those.



You got me Bazooka Joe!

I got a speeding ticket in 1987. 65 in a 55 zone. My radar detector didn't pick him up because of a bend in the road.

(Now I have a much better radar detector. Dare I say....an affluent one!)
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#92 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:46 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Oh crap....an invisible line.



Look HD you've made you point very clear, your what society calls an " enabler " it's ok lots of parents today are so no worries YOUR in good??? company. Beer
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#93 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 8:51 AM EST
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There is a huge difference between being an enabler versus trying to rehabilitate someone versus locking a 16 year old away for 20 years in prison as the solution.

The enabler is the one who gave the kid the truck keys and the booze before the accident.
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#94 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 9:24 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
There is a huge difference between being an enabler versus trying to rehabilitate someone versus locking a 16 year old away for 20 years in prison as the solution.

The enabler is the one who gave the kid the truck keys and the booze before the accident.



EVERY 16 yr old knows full well by that age what the ramifications of drinking and driving are!!!! And so do their " Enabling parents " I don't think NO Time Served is the way to go either, maybe not 20 yrs but 5-10 absolutely!
In some states where it is proven they " knowingly drank/ drove and killed....they're looking at murder charges NOT involuntary manslaughter. WHY??? Because they KNEW what they were doing was WRONG and could lead to someone elses DEATH. Texting and killing hopefully won't be far behind in regard to the perps getting " what they deserve"
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#95 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 9:25 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
There is a huge difference between being an enabler versus trying to rehabilitate someone versus locking a 16 year old away for 20 years in prison as the solution.

The enabler is the one who gave the kid the truck keys and the booze before the accident.



I'm frankly surprised you've NOT gone as far as blaming the victims here. Somehow coming up with a reason or excuse as to what " they " could have done to avoid their own death.....But no, nothing regarding the RIGHTS of those who lost family members or their own lives....just POOR little richie rich
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#96 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 10:16 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
There is a huge difference between being an enabler versus trying to rehabilitate someone versus locking a 16 year old away for 20 years in prison as the solution.

The enabler is the one who gave the kid the truck keys and the booze before the accident.

IMHO 20yrs is not enough for killing 4 people, and severely injuring 2 others. If the kid is so affluent that he lives in his own mansion and was treated like an adult, then he should be tried as an adult. His parents should be forced into bankruptcy through damages in Civil Court. An example should be set showing that regardless how "affluent" you are, the laws are the same for everyone.
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#97 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 10:43 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
I'm frankly surprised you've NOT gone as far as blaming the victims here. Somehow coming up with a reason or excuse as to what " they " could have done to avoid their own death.....But no, nothing regarding the RIGHTS of those who lost family members or their own lives....just POOR little richie rich



Not relevant
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#98 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 10:54 AM EST
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maybe the kid had diplomatic immunity.... Mellow
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#99 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 11:13 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
maybe the kid had diplomatic immunity.... Mellow


Rich people should.
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#100 Posted: Wed, Dec 18 2013, 11:53 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Not relevant



According to you.
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