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wheelrite Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:29 PM EST
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Very sad indeed....


wheel,
victor809 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:32 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Very sad indeed....


wheel,


Blah blah blah.

Have you adopted an unwanted child yet? If not, I don't want to hear you bitch that other people don't want them.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:33 PM EST
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just think of all the tax money the gubment is missing out on now.... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:36 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
just think of all the tax money the gubment is missing out on now.... Mellow


I'm gonna bet most of them were not slated for being "producers".
wheelrite Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Blah blah blah.

Have you adopted an unwanted child yet? If not, I don't want to hear you bitch that other people don't want them.




Brilliant Retort !
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:37 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Brilliant Retort !


well? have you?

If you aren't going to adopt and care for an unwanted child, then you're just part of the problem.
wheelrite Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'm gonna bet most of them were not slated for being "producers".


Thank you Margaret Sanger,,,
wheelrite Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:38 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
well? have you?

If you aren't going to adopt and care for an unwanted child, then you're just part of the problem.


Archie Bunker logic ?
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:40 PM EST
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So, you're admitting you're part of the problem?

Every day, day in, day out there are people on this forum whining endlessly about the freeloaders taking government money, EBT cards etc etc...

And you are telling me you wish we had added 55 million (plus or minus a couple) more to the government dole?
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:41 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
well? have you?

If you aren't going to adopt and care for an unwanted child, then you're just part of the problem.



I can see this being the latest new trend... 'Be the first in your yuppie neighborhood to adopt a crack baby'.. ThumpUp
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:44 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So, you're admitting you're part of the problem?

Every day, day in, day out there are people on this forum whining endlessly about the freeloaders taking government money, EBT cards etc etc...

And you are telling me you wish we had added 55 million (plus or minus a couple) more to the government dole?


Nice way to justify murder...

BTW,
Have you ever seen a 3D Sonogram of a fetus ?

If not you should and you may change your mind...

All women seeking abortions should be required to do so...

wheel,
victor809 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 2:52 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Nice way to justify murder...

BTW,
Have you ever seen a 3D Sonogram of a fetus ?

If not you should and you may change your mind...

All women seeking abortions should be required to do so...

wheel,


Thats the same tired argument.

Have you ever bothered asking the age of these sonograms? Have you ever seen a sonogram of a fetus at the number of months in which it's actually legal? Probably not, since it doesn't further your agenda.

For the record, you probably can't even do a 3d sonogram of a fetus within the age window abortions are legal.
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#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 3:01 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So, you're admitting you're part of the problem?

Every day, day in, day out there are people on this forum whining endlessly about the freeloaders taking government money, EBT cards etc etc...

And you are telling me you wish we had added 55 million (plus or minus a couple) more to the government dole?



Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause
Gene363 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:29 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Archie Bunker logic ?


Wow, that is kind of an insult... to the Archie Bunker character.
HockeyDad Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:34 PM EST
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Republicans hate abortions almost as much as they hate welfare babies.
Gene363 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:37 PM EST
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What would be great is teaching birth control in schools. And this message, "You spread your legs and start popping out kids, you better have a way to pay for them. You baby daddies are also going to pay, we will track you down with your DNA."

Just because you and your baby daddy want to screw without birth control is not my problem it yours. The only theing the government should be funding is a tubal ligation. Let the people that want abortions pay for them.
Gene363 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:40 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So, you're admitting you're part of the problem?

Every day, day in, day out there are people on this forum whining endlessly about the freeloaders taking government money, EBT cards etc etc...

And you are telling me you wish we had added 55 million (plus or minus a couple) more to the government dole?


Why not extend your logic a step further? How about post birth abortions on welfare kids, slow learners, cripples and other less than normal children?
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#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:41 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Republicans hate abortions almost as much as they hate welfare babies.



Hehe.... which is why I find this thread so interesting.
z6joker9 Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:43 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Why not extend your logic a step further? How about post birth abortions on welfare kids, slow learners, cripples and other less than normal children?


But then I'd have nobody to talk to here Crying
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:46 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Why not extend your logic a step further? How about post birth abortions on welfare kids, slow learners, cripples and other less than normal children?


Now gene... as someone I've clearly seen rail against the welfare state over and over and over again (don't get me wrong, I'm as excited about kicking homeless people as you are... probably more), how do YOU reconcile the idea of adding close to 55million more people onto it?

Or do you want to create 55million more poor, then take away all government assistance so we simply have more people suffering through short, brutal, lives?
HockeyDad Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:57 PM EST
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It is possible that the 55 million babies could have grown up and became viable middle class white taxpayers.
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#22 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 4:58 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'm gonna bet most of them were not slated for being "producers".


So...you can put a value on an unborn child? In your opinion, "most of them" are worthless.
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#23 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 5:07 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is possible that the 55 nillion babies could have grown up and became viable middle class white taxpayers.


No.
daveincincy Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 5:13 PM EST
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GhostTown wrote:
No.


Can I borrow your crystal ball?
Gene363 Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 5:14 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Now gene... as someone I've clearly seen rail against the welfare state over and over and over again (don't get me wrong, I'm as excited about kicking homeless people as you are... probably more), how do YOU reconcile the idea of adding close to 55million more people onto it?

Or do you want to create 55million more poor, then take away all government assistance so we simply have more people suffering through short, brutal, lives?



100% more, I'm not kicking anyone. It's the fault of people that screw and dump children into poverty. Not my problem, you make them, you take care of them. If you personally feel the need to help them, by all means, be my guest, just don't take tax money.
Gene363 Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 5:16 PM EST
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z6joker9 wrote:
But then I'd have nobody to talk to here Crying


Be careful what you ask for. jester
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 5:36 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

What would be great is teaching birth control in schools.

well, apparently you are too practical. Certainly parents don't feel comfortable with the task.

I seem to remember a time when sex ed was (a funded) part of the curriculum. The truth is that conservatives railed against liberals okaying and teaching kids how to have sex, which was not really part of the lesson plan.

Sometimes the other guy has to be right.

I learned that here!
victor809 Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 5:55 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
So...you can put a value on an unborn child? In your opinion, "most of them" are worthless.


In all fairness, you can put a value on a born child too.
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 6:00 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

100% more, I'm not kicking anyone. It's the fault of people that screw and dump children into poverty. Not my problem, you make them, you take care of them. If you personally feel the need to help them, by all means, be my guest, just don't take tax money.


It's the fault and problem of people who screw and dump children into poverty... not your problem.

However, you're making it your business to say they can't abort the child.

Your stance is that they MUST have the child, but that the child is absolutely not your problem at all.

You do realize, that if these are irresponsible people, they're likely not going to be responsible parents either. the kid WILL become your problem. Either through tax money for food, shelter, prison, police force...

People don't seem to realize that poor people cost them money, even if you don't give them ANY government assistance. Give them nothing, and you have to pay more for police to ensure they don't try taking anything. And you have to pay for a justice and penal system after they try taking something. The entire time, you have to spend your days dodging the trash and sh#t the poor leave on the sidewalk after sleeping there.
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#30 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 6:23 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
It's the fault and problem of people who screw and dump children into poverty... not your problem.

However, you're making it your business to say they can't abort the child.

Your stance is that they MUST have the child, but that the child is absolutely not your problem at all.

You do realize, that if these are irresponsible people, they're likely not going to be responsible parents either. the kid WILL become your problem. Either through tax money for food, shelter, prison, police force...

People don't seem to realize that poor people cost them money, even if you don't give them ANY government assistance. Give them nothing, and you have to pay more for police to ensure they don't try taking anything. And you have to pay for a justice and penal system after they try taking something. The entire time, you have to spend your days dodging the trash and sh#t the poor leave on the sidewalk after sleeping there.


Ever hear the story about "assume"? When I said I don't want to pay for abortions, I didn't say I want them to be illegal. I personally think they are immoral, brutal and amount to murder. Abortion is a total mind F'ing for women and diabolically opposed to inherent maternal instincts. At the same time, I do not believe the government has any business up a woman's skirt.

If you keep paying idiots to breed children you will soon have a society of idiots, there are consequences for every answer, pick your poison.
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#31 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 6:32 PM EST
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If White, middle aged men were the ones giving birth, Abortion would be completely unrestricted and free.



Just sayin.....
Gene363 Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 6:38 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
well, apparently you are too practical. Certainly parents don't feel comfortable with the task.

I seem to remember a time when sex ed was (a funded) part of the curriculum. The truth is that conservatives railed against liberals okaying and teaching kids how to have sex, which was not really part of the lesson plan.

Sometimes the other guy has to be right.

I learned that here!


Yes, unfortunately a lot of folks think making something illegal or not talking about the subject will make it go away. Like putting men and women on Navy ships and getting all surprised when sailors turn up pregnant.

Perhaps if the curriculum stayed with how babies are made they wouldn't have been badgered into discussing all sexual activities, e'g', gay sex. Even calling it Human Reproduction vs Sex Education would help sell the program; even lesbians can get pregnant.
Gene363 Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 6:41 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
If White, middle aged men were the ones giving birth, Abortion would be completely unrestricted and free.



Just sayin.....


Point.


OTOH, say what you wish, lots of abortions have a male, I won't call them a man, in the background pushing the abortion solution.
victor809 Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 6:58 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Ever hear the story about "assume"? When I said I don't want to pay for abortions, I didn't say I want them to be illegal. I personally think they are immoral, brutal and amount to murder. Abortion is a total mind F'ing for women and diabolically opposed to inherent maternal instincts. At the same time, I do not believe the government has any business up a woman's skirt.

If you keep paying idiots to breed children you will soon have a society of idiots, there are consequences for every answer, pick your poison.


I suppose it was my error to make that assumption.

I don't believe this thread is discussing who should pay for it though. It's just Wheel whining about the fact there are 55 million.

For the record, if you didn't pay for them, you'd be cool with all 55 million?
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#35 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 7:12 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I suppose it was my error to make that assumption.

I don't believe this thread is discussing who should pay for it though. It's just Wheel whining about the fact there are 55 million.

For the record, if you didn't pay for them, you'd be cool with all 55 million?


No, "they" = abortions

Gene363 wrote:

...I personally think they are immoral, brutal and amount to murder...


Are you happy with all 55 million?
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#36 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 7:12 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Point.


OTOH, say what you wish, lots of abortions have a male, I won't call them a man, in the background pushing the abortion solution.




No argument there. Too often abortion is used as a method of birth control
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#37 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 7:24 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
No, "they" = abortions



Are you happy with all 55 million?


Sure. At that stage they are non-viable parasites. Depending on the specific age they may not even have a brain yet.

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#38 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 7:26 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
No, "they" = abortions



Are you happy with all 55 million?


And you kind of have to pick a side here. Wheel's bitching about the abortions having happened. Are you bitching about the abortions having happened too, or just bitching about having had to pay for some of them (although, I'm not sure you really did have to pay for any... but it's not part of the discussion anyway).
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z6joker9 wrote:
But then I'd have nobody to talk to here Crying


LMAO!!!
rfenst Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:14 PM EST
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Why does every abortion argument here presume the women are poor and living on government?
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#41 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:17 PM EST
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I thought the poor people kept them, for more gov money.
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#42 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:19 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Republicans hate abortions almost as much as they hate welfare babies.

Almost, but not quite that much.

But at least the welfare babies might become disadvantaged cheap labor.
And that is something republicans love . . .
wheelrite Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:19 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Thats the same tired argument.

Have you ever bothered asking the age of these sonograms? Have you ever seen a sonogram of a fetus at the number of months in which it's actually legal? Probably not, since it doesn't further your agenda.

For the record, you probably can't even do a 3d sonogram of a fetus within the age window abortions are legal.


you are a moron,,,,

View these images of a 20week old pre-born human...

https://www.google.com/search?q=20+week+ultrasound&tbm=isch&source=iu&imgil=uR_JoHtV1PXeHM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcTXisdjK6FPSx3i160ETLMA5DYghF3cUrvhrKoWKrMJxpXgnoHZ%253B747%253B564%253BAJqg9r8Niw-VbM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fknockedup.nl%25252Fzwanger-worden%25252F2013%25252F05%25252F02%25252Fhet-geslacht-van-je-baby-bepalen%25252F&sa=X&ei=GL_hUsLABLPhsASxmYDwCA&ved=0CCsQ9QEwAg&biw=1093&bih=479#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=uR_JoHtV1PXeHM%253A%3BAJqg9r8Niw-VbM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fstatic.knockedup.nl%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F04%252F20-WeekUltrasound_Profile.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fknockedup.nl%252Fzwanger-worden%252F2013%252F05%252F02%252Fhet-geslacht-van-je-baby-bepalen%252F%3B747%3B564


wheel,
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:21 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Why does every abortion argument here presume the women are poor and living on government?



I know better... knew a little white rich girl that 3 before she was 18.... d'oh!
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#45 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:22 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
I thought the poor people kept them, for more gov money.



some truth to that... Mellow
sd72 Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:23 PM EST
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Didn't we do this a couple months ago? Same arguments, usual suspects?
wheelrite Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:29 PM EST
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sd72 wrote:
Didn't we do this a couple months ago? Same arguments, usual suspects?


yes,,,

But obviously you don't keep up with current issues,,,,

Yesterday was the annual walk for Life on Washington,,,,
(The Anni of the Roe V Wade decision)...


wheel,
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#48 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:29 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Why does every abortion argument here presume the women are poor and living on government?

Consider the narrow minded conservatives who make the argument. The last thing they would do is put it in a clear light . . . If they did, it would be obvious they are just pushing a religious agenda.

It is a telling dichotomy that those who shead crocodile tears for a terminated pregnancy (even with a morning after pill) are the first to call for an end to social programs that might actually help the unwanted children whom the parents simply cannot afford to have.
wheelrite Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:32 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Consider the narrow minded conservatives who make the argument. The last thing they would do is put it in a clear light . . . If they did, it would be obvious they are just pushing a religious agenda.

It is a telling dichotomy that those who shead crocodile tears for a terminated pregnancy (even with a morning after pill) are the first to call for an end to social programs that might actually help the unwanted children whom the parents simply cannot afford to have.



bottom line,,,,

Sucking a baby from the womb is murder,,,,

why do you think a person can be prosecuted for the killing of a Pregnant woman and/or her unborn baby ?

splain please...


wheel,
victor809 Offline
#50 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2014, 8:33 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
you are a moron,,,,

View these images of a 20week old pre-born human...


wheel,


20 weeks.
Do you know how many abortions are performed at 20 weeks? (Just so you know... because I'm not sure you understand, 20 weeks is 5 months. That's 2nd trimester.)

Only 4.6% of all abortions are performed from 16weeks onward. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/06/02/GR2009060200592.html)

You're using an absolute outlier as an argument. That's kind of a "moron" thing, don't you think?
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