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pdxstogieman Offline
#151 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2014, 8:49 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Brilliant Retort !


This is the first known instance of you being correct. Savor it.
DrafterX Offline
#152 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2014, 9:12 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Can't we just allow women abortions if they need them and blame it on Obama?


Obama made someone have an abortion..?? I thought that was just a Clinton thing... Think
tailgater Offline
#153 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2014, 9:28 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Can't we just allow women abortions if they need them and blame it on Obama?


If the baby-momma had a daddy, he'd look just like Obama...
tailgater Offline
#154 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2014, 9:32 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
Realize one fundamental problem- there is no comparable punishment and imprisonment for men. If men make a mistake and impregnate a woman they never intended to start a family with; then all he has to do is pay child support and maybe alimony. its only money. The same woman will never have the family of her dreams again, her biggest goal in life. Then the question arises, how many lives are truly affected, or compromised, if she is not given another chance. Maybe she only wanted a child with a partner that would be the best for her child. Or the 3 other children she would have had with a good man.

So we cant be trowing stones on women, when the punishment is not the same. Or how can we even have laws that dont have equal ramifications.

Food for thought.



If someone argued that it is entirely the woman's fault, I'd be inclined to adopt a toned down (sane) version of your viewpoint.

I've never heard anyone suggest this.
In fact, we could discuss the situation when a father has no right to stop an abortion. Married or not.
His seed? Bull. It's his wallet that matters in the eyes of the law.
Somebody's gotta pay for the clinics and have enough left over for the lawyers and the politicians.
Never forget that.
tailgater Offline
#155 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2014, 9:33 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Obama made someone have an abortion..?? I thought that was just a Clinton thing... Think


Clinton's kid wasn't aborted. She's named Chelsea...
DrafterX Offline
#156 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2014, 9:42 PM EST
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I just find it interesting that Monica had an abortion during her stint with Bill... the explaination was she was dating Bill before but then some other unknown dude at the time but continued dating Bill after the fact... Think
Brewha Offline
#157 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2014, 10:50 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I just find it interesting that Monica had an abortion during her stint with Bill... the explaination was she was dating Bill before but then some other unknown dude at the time but continued dating Bill after the fact... Think

I'm more curious about what kind of cigars Bill smoked . . .
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#158 Posted: Tue, Feb 11 2014, 10:56 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I'm more curious about what kind of cigars Bill smoked . . .



I heard they were infused... Mellow
scompay Offline
#159 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 11:24 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
If someone argued that it is entirely the woman's fault





That statement is flawed. And precisely my point. Its entirely the man's fault. Tell me how its the woman's fault even by 10%??
tailgater Offline
#160 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 12:15 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
That statement is flawed. And precisely my point. Its entirely the man's fault. Tell me how its the woman's fault even by 10%??


I either can't believe what I'm reading, or I simply don't understand you.

What are you talking about?

If it's the abortion, then it's 100% the woman.
If it's the pregnancy, then it's 50% the guy and 50% the gal, assuming it's consensual.

Your math is flawed.
ZRX1200 Offline
#161 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 12:17 PM EST
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His brain is damaged.
DrafterX Offline
#162 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 12:25 PM EST
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Think
he's prolly always had to beg for sex..... Mellow
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#163 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 5:10 PM EST
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For those in search of a thoughtful discussion, this is from the current issue of The New Yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2014/02/17/140217taco_talk_talbot?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=facebook&mbid=social_facebook&mobify=0
gryphonms Offline
#164 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 6:24 PM EST
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LOL. This could be a great satire, I doubt it. Could this be Trojan horse I'm written form, I doubt it. I know what it is as Ron White said " You can't fix stupid". LOL.
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#165 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 8:10 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I either can't believe what I'm reading, or I simply don't understand you.

What are you talking about?

If it's the abortion, then it's 100% the woman.
If it's the pregnancy, then it's 50% the guy and 50% the gal, assuming it's consensual.

Your math is flawed.


I cannot understand your lack logic or the inability to see the equation from the other side.

A man is 100% in control whether a woman gets pregnant or not, he is in exclusive charge of whether he pulls out or not. Is that inaccurate? Can a woman force herself to get pregnant if the man doesnt want it? NO
A woman cannot control a mans secretions, a man can.

Now, the ONLY time a woman has an unwanted pregnancy is when a man was unable to control his secretion.

Lets put that in a formula, and see if you can prove it wrong: Woman cannot get pregnant without man's consent. Man can get woman pregnant without her consent.

No you are dead wrong that "If it's the abortion, then it's 100% the woman" A man can drag a woman to an abortion clinic, beat miscarriage or give her the morning after pill. MOREOVER, the only reason she is having an abortion is because the pregnancy was a result of him impregnating someone that did not want to be impregnated.
ZRX1200 Offline
#166 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 8:19 PM EST
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Right.


No woman EVER IN THE HISTORY OF PROPHYLACTIC S LIED OR MANIPULATED A PROPHYLACTIC to get pregnant.


Biggest moron here in awhile. Quite impressive.
scompay Offline
#167 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 10:22 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Right.


No woman EVER IN THE HISTORY OF PROPHYLACTIC S LIED OR MANIPULATED A PROPHYLACTIC to get pregnant.


Biggest moron here in awhile. Quite impressive.



Thank you sir, its because of brilliance such as yours that abortion is legal today. So you say astute folks such as yourself have been fooled by a woman that cumming cannot result in pregnancy- and then these she-devils have gone on to have an abortion anywayz. You make an excellent argument for abortion. Changed my perspective.

Have a good evening sir.
gryphonms Offline
#168 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 10:46 PM EST
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ZR:

Sometimes your insults go to far, even if well placed. Your giving our morons a bad name by comparison.

Sarcasm
ZRX1200 Offline
#169 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 11:00 PM EST
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Again your reading comprehension shows.

You said without question a woman cannot trick a man to get pregnant. To answer when shown to be an idiot you insinuate that I have been tricked.

I don't like abortion but your mamma should have been more into BJ's.
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#170 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 11:07 PM EST
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"pulling out" is not what you should teach if you are teaching about how to have sex without resulting in pregnancy. I remember Catholic friends talking about "rhythm" method decades ago, also stupid. Some had kids they loved, but never planned.

My wife and I went out for 8 years (16 yo to 24 yo) before getting married, and were married for close to 4 years before she became pregnant. 12 years of non-pregnancy sex. Why? We were not ready to have a baby. How? By having safe sex, and by my respect for her, not at all difficult.

We had our first when we really wanted her and when we were really ready.

And she just had her (planned) first baby a month ago at the age of 32, after going with the guy for 3 years and married for 3 more.

Many here will attest that I am a idiot (I did that on purpose), yet even I was able to avoid the need to consider abortion...something I could never live with and even at that age knew it could be avoided.

But this nonsense about secretions and pulling out...the secretions alone are enough.
scompay Offline
#171 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 11:10 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Right.


No woman EVER IN THE HISTORY OF PROPHYLACTIC S LIED OR MANIPULATED A PROPHYLACTIC to get pregnant.


Biggest moron here in awhile. Quite impressive.


Sir allow me to ask you in dumbass language that you would understand. How can a woman trick a man with contraceptives when ALL contraceptives say right on the packaging that it does not completely prevent a pregnancy.

I hope you have wizened up to the fact that you dont need to use contraceptives while having sex with yourself.
scompay Offline
#172 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 11:28 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
"pulling out" is not what you should teach if you are teaching about how to have sex without resulting in pregnancy. I remember Catholic friends talking about "rhythm" method decades ago, also stupid. Some had kids they loved, but never planned.

My wife and I went out for 8 years (16 yo to 24 yo) before getting married, and were married for close to 4 years before she became pregnant. 12 years of non-pregnancy sex. Why? We were not ready to have a baby. How? By having safe sex, and by my respect for her, not at all difficult.

We had our first when we really wanted her and when we were really ready.

And she just had her (planned) first baby a month ago at the age of 32, after going with the guy for 3 years and married for 3 more.

Many here will attest that I am a idiot (I did that on purpose), yet even I was able to avoid the need to consider abortion...something I could never live with and even at that age knew it could be avoided.

But this nonsense about secretions and pulling out...the secretions alone are enough.



Yes you are correct that pulling out, while simple in concept, is extremely difficult for men. Which makes the case that when there is a mistake made, its made because a man cannot stop. This is the point and its a big one, if there was something similar that a woman could do to prevent herself from going through lifelong misery, she would do it. If she could cut a finger off, she would do it! because its easier than an abortion to live with.
tailgater Offline
#173 Posted: Wed, Feb 12 2014, 11:49 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
I cannot understand your lack logic or the inability to see the equation from the other side.

A man is 100% in control whether a woman gets pregnant or not, he is in exclusive charge of whether he pulls out or not. Is that inaccurate? Can a woman force herself to get pregnant if the man doesnt want it? NO
A woman cannot control a mans secretions, a man can.

Now, the ONLY time a woman has an unwanted pregnancy is when a man was unable to control his secretion.

Lets put that in a formula, and see if you can prove it wrong: Woman cannot get pregnant without man's consent. Man can get woman pregnant without her consent.

No you are dead wrong that "If it's the abortion, then it's 100% the woman" A man can drag a woman to an abortion clinic, beat miscarriage or give her the morning after pill. MOREOVER, the only reason she is having an abortion is because the pregnancy was a result of him impregnating someone that did not want to be impregnated.


Best.
Load.
of
Crap.

Ever!

If you'd like a discussion, or even an argument, then you'll have to take two giant steps towards sanity first.
Otherwise, this exercise is akin to teaching the tax laws to a four year old.
scompay Offline
#174 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 1:00 AM EST
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Here is some real food for thought.

How many abortions would we see, if we could make contraceptives for men in a pill form, but a pill that worked just minutes before having sex. Even better if it was combined with viagra.
tailgater Offline
#175 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 9:37 AM EST
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scompay wrote:
Here is some real food for thought.

How many abortions would we see, if we could make contraceptives for men in a pill form, but a pill that worked just minutes before having sex. Even better if it was combined with viagra.


Or we could just make anal sex the go-to choice.
I call this idea "thinking outside the BOX"...
scompay Offline
#176 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 9:54 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Or we could just make anal sex the go-to choice.
I call this idea "thinking outside the BOX"...



Thats why we dont let some folks think outside the box. Its a slippery slope.
Next you will deduce that if you are having anal sex, you may as well use your buddies, who you know better. And you can swap a box of cigars afterwards.

Carry on thinking outside the box...
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#177 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 9:57 AM EST
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I read a story once by some lady that got pregnant from giving a ****... Mellow
scompay Offline
#178 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 10:43 AM EST
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The abortion problem is a male problem, and the best proof can be found right here..

The picture post section is full of pictures of kids you wanna fck. These kids would make horrible mothers. See men wanna fck, not have children, at least according to this board. Go find a womans blog, you will see the opposite, they are looking for fathers, not fcking kids.

There is the conundrum, men want sex, without children, women want children. Now we see where abortion fits in.
DrafterX Offline
#179 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 10:44 AM EST
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scompay wrote:
The abortion problem is a male problem, and the best proof can be found right here..

The picture post section is full of pictures of kids you wanna fck. These kids would make horrible mothers. See men wanna fck, not have children, at least according to this board. Go find a womans blog, you will see the opposite, they are looking for fathers, not fcking kids.

There is the conundrum, men want sex, without children, women want children. Now we see where abortion fits in.



are you a woman..?? Huh
scompay Offline
#180 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 11:25 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
are you a woman..?? Huh


No but my job lets me see this the average person would not. Do you know when we audit for taxes, how many times we see folks sneaking money to give to children they have had outside marriage, never, when they do give, they want to claim it. Guess how much money we see being snuck out for mistresses and sex??

I bet you know yourself.
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#181 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 11:29 AM EST
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I bet you're a woman... Mellow
scompay Offline
#182 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 11:33 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I bet you're a woman... Mellow



I imagine your life has been a series of bad bets.
DrafterX Offline
#183 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 11:46 AM EST
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ok Shirley... or is it Sara..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#184 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:07 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
Thats why we dont let some folks think outside the box. Its a slippery slope.
Next you will deduce that if you are having anal sex, you may as well use your buddies, who you know better. And you can swap a box of cigars afterwards.

Carry on thinking outside the box...


I even put "box" in capital letters, but the pun still sailed over your head.

But I'm glad that your train of thought led you directly to dude-on-dude activity.
And I'm glad you're posting here, because your suggestions themselves are abortions.
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#185 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:11 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
No but my job lets me see this the average person would not. Do you know when we audit for taxes, how many times we see folks sneaking money to give to children they have had outside marriage, never, when they do give, they want to claim it. Guess how much money we see being snuck out for mistresses and sex??

I bet you know yourself.


What a warped, convoluted perspective.
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#186 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:12 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I even put "box" in capital letters, but the pun still sailed over your head.

But I'm glad that your train of thought led you directly to dude-on-dude activity.
And I'm glad you're posting here, because your suggestions themselves are abortions.



Hilarious, that you think the pun went over my head.
You sir are a tailgater. Did I use a pun then?
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#187 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:18 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
... women want children.



55 MILLION abortions since Roe v wade.

I'm glad that these woman wanted those children. I'd hate to see the number otherwise.
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#188 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:22 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
Hilarious, that you think the pun went over my head.
You sir are a tailgater. Did I use a pun then?


Actually, I'm THE tailgater.

And I KNOW the pun was missed in your haste to insert your homo-erotic suggestions.
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#189 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:22 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
55 MILLION abortions since Roe v wade.

I'm glad that these woman wanted those children. I'd hate to see the number otherwise.





Thank you for a non-personal post.
Again; 55 million men who got these women pregnant. Or are we saying that these 55 million women got pregnant because they wanted to and then changed their minds.
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#190 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:25 PM EST
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It was prolly only around 10 million men who caused all that.
gryphonms Offline
#191 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:28 PM EST
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HD:

How about just Dorian Gray?
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#192 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:32 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It was prolly only around 10 million men who caused all that.


Exactly. Folks want it both ways. They dont want to see a whole bunch of illegitimate children. They dont even want legitimate children born to Mexicans (god it must be a horrible time to be alive if you are Mexican). And they want folks not to have an abortion. They are like French women who say No when they mean Yes.
HockeyDad Offline
#193 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:33 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
HD:

How about just Dorian Gray?



He's not real...plus he was white.

55 million abortions served is real.
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#194 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:40 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
Exactly. Folks want it both ways.


I knew a few girls that wanted it both ways.

Made contraception a lot easier.
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#195 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I knew a few girls that wanted it both ways.

Made contraception a lot easier.



Now thats the most sensible explanation. The tea party men are whining about Rove V Wade, because they are not the ones impregnating these women, they believe in alternative sex. Leonard Cohen warned us of this.
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#196 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 12:55 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
Thank you for a non-personal post.
Again; 55 million men who got these women pregnant. Or are we saying that these 55 million women got pregnant because they wanted to and then changed their minds.



None of this should be taken personally.

But your logic on this topic is practically beyond comment.
You are basically calling men rapists.
They finish their business without the woman's consent.
They drag girls to abortion clinics.
They hate children.

It's ridiculous and any one of these points could barely describe even a small fraction of the population.
Yet you attribute this to 100%.
We all run around impregnating helpless women, who are then FORCED to have an unwanted abortion against their will.


I could sit here and be civil and tell you how your logic is merely inconclusive.
But then I'd be woefully understating the reality of it all.
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#197 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 1:07 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
None of this should be taken personally.

But your logic on this topic is practically beyond comment.
You are basically calling men rapists.
They finish their business without the woman's consent.
They drag girls to abortion clinics.
They hate children.

It's ridiculous and any one of these points could barely describe even a small fraction of the population.
Yet you attribute this to 100%.
We all run around impregnating helpless women, who are then FORCED to have an unwanted abortion against their will.


I could sit here and be civil and tell you how your logic is merely inconclusive.
But then I'd be woefully understating the reality of it all.





Civility is a two way street.

Lets not look at who the villain is in an abortion. Just as in law, one should look for motive to solve a problem.

What sense does it make for a woman to get pregnant, and then go though humiliating and scaring surgery. What motive could they have???

(I can answer what motive a man has should you ask)
scompay Offline
#198 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 1:12 PM EST
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Let me rephrase:

Explain your logic to me.
Why would a woman get pregnant, only to turn around and go through humiliating, painful and life scaring surgery.

Do you have any other precedence of them doing such counterproductive things without any upshot.
tailgater Offline
#199 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 4:35 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
Let me rephrase:

Explain your logic to me.
Why would a woman get pregnant, only to turn around and go through humiliating, painful and life scaring surgery.

Do you have any other precedence of them doing such counterproductive things without any upshot.


Is this a serious question?

Because it's posts like these last two that give me the impression that I'm not dealing with an adult.
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#200 Posted: Thu, Feb 13 2014, 5:00 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Is this a serious question?

Because it's posts like these last two that give me the impression that I'm not dealing with an adult.





Could the reason for you resorting to personal attacks be that you dont have an answer. I thinks its all you have.
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