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gryphonms Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 12:26 PM EST
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Good news for a change. This law would have increased minimum wage from $7.25/hour to $10.10/hour over 30 months. The congressional budget office estimated. 500,000 jobs would have been lost. I wonder how many businesses would have closed also? Wages should never be artificially inflated above the intrinsic wage value for a job. If an individual chooses not to gain a skill set that allows them to earn a good living that is their problem, not yours or mine.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 12:38 PM EST
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How are they supposed to afford ObamaCare now..?? Huh
gryphonms Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 12:39 PM EST
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We are already paying for it for them.
cacman Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 1:29 PM EST
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But government contractors still got their raise!!!
jetblasted Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 5:16 PM EST
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The Dems don't care now ... but you can be sure to bet it will be a theme during the elections . . .
jackconrad Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 7:54 PM EST
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There goes my raise,....Not talking
jetblasted Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 7:58 PM EST
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jackconrad wrote:
There goes my raise,....Not talking

I though you had a pen and a phone ? ?

Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 8:36 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
I though you had a pen and a phone ? ?



Two turntables and a microphone? Beer
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 8:37 PM EST
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Where it's at..?? Laugh
skillett Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, May 2 2014, 8:40 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
Good news for a change. This law would have increased minimum wage from $7.25/hour to $10.10/hour over 30 months. The congressional budget office estimated. 500,000 jobs would have been lost. I wonder how many businesses would have closed also? Wages should never be artificially inflated above the intrinsic wage value for a job. If an individual chooses not to gain a skill set that allows them to earn a good living that is their problem, not yours or mine.


Great to hear. Now, let's get back to normal. The ethic is called a desire to get an education either/or go to work. Government will probably buy you a push mower so go for it. DESIRE is what it's about.

We're paying for the free programs, so take advantage of education instead of sitting on your butt 'awaiting the next free load paid for by the others.
BlueDude Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, May 5 2014, 2:22 PM EST
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Minimum wage should be lowered.

If somebody wants a higher paying job, they should go out and learn a skill.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, May 5 2014, 2:28 PM EST
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California Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee, one her party’s most progressive members, thinks her home state should increase its minimum wage to as much as $26 an hour.

Lee said a few days ago on CNN’s “Crossfire” that she likes the mayor of Seattle’s proposal to increase the city’s minimum wage to $15 an hour, then said she would support such a plan in California without fear of increasing unemployment.

"In California, more than likely from what I remembered, a living wage where people could live and take care of their families and move toward achieving the American dream was about $25, $26 an hour," she told co-host Newt Gingrich, a former GOP House speaker and presidential candidate, as reported by Breitbart.com.

The high cost of living and taxes in California forcing some residents and businesses to leave is well known, with Toyota officially announcing last week its departure for Texas.

Maryland and other liberal-leaning states have recently increased their minimum-wage rates. However, many Republicans and other fiscal conservatives have argued such an increase would result in companies hiring fewer workers. And just last week, the Senate rejected a plan backed by President Obama and fellow Democrats to increase the federal minimum wage.

Appearing with Lee on “Crossfire,” Rep. Andy Harris, R-Md., said he also would back such a huge wage hike in California -- so the lost jobs will go to Maryland and other states across the country

Film at 11.... Not talking Not talking
cacman Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 9:11 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
"In California, more than likely from what I remembered, a living wage where people could live and take care of their families and move toward achieving the American dream was about $25, $26 an hour," she told co-host Newt Gingrich, a former GOP House speaker and presidential candidate, as reported by Breitbart.com.

WHAT THE FUQ IS SHE SMOKING IN CALI???
From what she remembers??? From when??? She's obviously a silver-spooner that never worked a minimum wage job in her life.
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 10:42 AM EST
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Kill the poor before they kill us.
dstieger Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 10:42 AM EST
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I've always been a states' rights guy. But, IMO, the Republicans are making a mistake here. If the feds do nothing at all, more and more states and cities are going to do really stupid ish, Like $25/hr in California, or $16/hr in Seattle. Now, maybe it is best to stand back and watch Seattle become West Detroit - teach them all a lesson?.....But I don't think so. Not yet, anyway.
Brewha Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 8:18 PM EST
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With the obscene wage gap between employees and CEO's it takes the GOP to block progress. And it takes the poorly informed American conservative middle class back them up.

It's the current portrait of America; with corporate welfare and white-collar crime at all time high, we all sit around and talk about how the enemy is the guy drawing welfare because works 40 hours a week at Walmart.

The shrewdest thing we could do is to make sure that the low class working stiff earns a decent living and lubricates the economy with the coin he turns. But that's not the way for the rich to get richer is it?
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 8:41 PM EST
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ya, what the hell... we'll all pay 10 bucks for a happy meal right..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 8:46 PM EST
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I admire your farsighted vision of economics.
Beer
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 8:53 PM EST
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as good as it may sound to the minimum wage worker a whole bunch of them will find themselves unemployed... small business owners will work 18 hour days until they throw in da towel and go to work for Walmart... if there's an opening.... Mellow
cacman Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, May 6 2014, 10:16 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
It's the current portrait of America; with corporate welfare and white-collar crime at all time high, we all sit around and talk about how the enemy is the guy drawing welfare because works 40 hours a week at Walmart.

As CEO, President, and single slave for a company I own I can tell you that employees are given and afforded more free programs to better their earning abilities and quality of life than my company is. As a business owner, all I get is the freakin tax bill! It's because of taxes, unemployment "insurance", and healthcare costs that we no longer hire employees, only sub-contractors.
stogiefan Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 7:08 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
With the obscene wage gap between employees and CEO's it takes the GOP to block progress. And it takes the poorly informed American conservative middle class back them up.

It's the current portrait of America; with corporate welfare and white-collar crime at all time high, we all sit around and talk about how the enemy is the guy drawing welfare because works 40 hours a week at Walmart.

The shrewdest thing we could do is to make sure that the low class working stiff earns a decent living and lubricates the economy with the coin he turns. But that's not the way for the rich to get richer is it?


The problem isn't minimum wage pay. The problem is the lack of decent paying jobs available that are forcing people into taking these minimum wage jobs that they otherwise wouldn't be working. These jobs were really meant for young, inexperienced workers who don't need income to support themselves and/or older folks looking for supplemental income. Trying to force minimum wage jobs to be primary income sustaining jobs is solving one economic imbalance by creating another.
HockeyDad Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:19 AM EST
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stogiefan wrote:
Trying to force minimum wage jobs to be primary income sustaining jobs is solving one economic imbalance by creating another.



Then the Democrats will fix that next economic imbalance!



(Brewha, get back to work you bum)
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:22 AM EST
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and what Obama doesn't realize is the minimum wage worker's new found wealth will be spent on beer... not Obamacare... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
as good as it may sound to the minimum wage worker a whole bunch of them will find themselves unemployed... small business owners will work 18 hour days until they throw in da towel and go to work for Walmart... if there's an opening.... Mellow

Oh.

So corporation like Walmart paying wages to its workers that require them to get welfare in order to get by is the best way. And if I owned a multi-billion-dollar company then the government should supplement my workforce to. it's only fair right?

I mean if we made big companies is forced to pay a living wage that would be socialism right?

If any company is so unprofitable that it cannot afford a living wage for its workers should really be in business?
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:29 PM EST
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I guess Walmart will have to comply also so no more welfare for walmart workers.... until they raise that standard also.. shouldn't be too long.... can't have da welfare paying less than minimum wage can we... that would be terrible.. Not talking
Brewha Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:34 PM EST
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:37 PM EST
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I'm evil..?? Huh

damn me for being comcermed about the little business dudes... Sad
Brewha Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:43 PM EST
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Would you run a business based on slave labor?

Would you get fat and rich off the backs of the poor?

This is about big business. Little businesses have special rules.
Brewha Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:46 PM EST
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And if a little business is so unprofitable it cannot afford to pay a living wage then they really should not be in business, should they?
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:47 PM EST
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little business doesn't have to pay minimum wage..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:52 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And if a little business is so unprofitable it cannot afford to pay a living wage then they really should not be in business, should they?


I'm sure they're all greedy bassards too... Mellow


You don't find it odd that this push for a nation wide increase is happening the same time Obamacare is being rolled out..?? Why wasn't it an issue in the past..?? Huh
HockeyDad Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:53 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
little business doesn't have to pay minimum wage..?? Huh



I heard they have special rules
Brewha Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:57 PM EST
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What makes you think this wasn't an issue in the past?

And the need for socialized medicine has been there for decades. Because of corporations not wanting to pay for the health care of their workers.

Do you not know class struggle when you see one?
Brewha Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 8:58 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I heard they have special rules

Shouldn't you be working?
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:03 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
What makes you think this wasn't an issue in the past?

And the need for socialized medicine has been there for decades. Because of corporations not wanting to pay for the health care of their workers.

Do you not know class struggle when you see one?



wasn't it a State thing in da past... I totally understand Cal's wage being higher than OK's...


And there are plenty of Jobs with Skills out there... why pay a high school drop out the same as someone who actually learned a trade... do you not see the chain reaction..?? everybody will have to get a raise.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:12 PM EST
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They can get a raise or the taxpayers can supplement them. Which would you prefer?
victor809 Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:13 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Would you run a business based on slave labor?.


If I thought I could get away with it? Hell yeah.
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:16 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
They can get a raise or the taxpayers can supplement them. Which would you prefer?



you're throwing a woman with kids in the same catagory with a high school kid living at home... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:18 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
If I thought I could get away with it? Hell yeah.

People would have trouble with that.

It's people I'm talking about here.....
HockeyDad Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:18 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Shouldn't you be working?



I am
HockeyDad Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:19 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
If I thought I could get away with it? Hell yeah.




You can! We call it "offshoring"!
Brewha Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:20 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
you're throwing a woman with kids in the same catagory with a high school kid living at home... Mellow

Do you disagree with that child labor laws?

You know, 10-year-olds are a great source of labor......
HockeyDad Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:20 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
They can get a raise or the taxpayers can supplement them. Which would you prefer?



If I don't shop there, they can get a raise.

If I shop there, the taxpayers can supplement them.
Brewha Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:20 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I am

Like you know what working is......
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:22 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Do you disagree with that child labor laws?

You know, 10-year-olds are a great source of labor......



wtf..??? Huh
Brewha Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
wtf..??? Huh

I'm talking about fair wages for fair work. Not paying children, young adults or women less for what they do. That's all.
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#47 Posted: Wed, May 7 2014, 9:41 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I'm talking about fair wages for fair work. Not paying children, young adults or women less for what they do. That's all.



so, a woman with kids can flip fries better than a high school kid..?? the minimum wage knows no such boundaries... Mellow
cacman Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 1:24 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Little businesses have special rules.

WTF??? Really?!?! d'oh! I would sure like to know what these "special rules" are?? If you mean small business' are NOT afforded the tax breaks and incentives larger companies are, then yes you could consider that a "special rule". But cash speaks the loudest. LOL

Brewha wrote:
And if a little business is so unprofitable it cannot afford to pay a living wage then they really should not be in business, should they?

So now you're against small businesses too??? Big businesses come from small business start-ups. Do you think companies like Apple, Microsoft, or Ford started out as the huge companies they are today. IIRC they all where small businesses that started in the garage. Small business growth is IMHO what helps builds the middle-class economy. Raising the minimum wage hurts small business far more that it does big business. And the guberment should not be dictating what business owners are required to take as a salary from their own business either. As a business owner if you choose to pay yourself $1/yr, you should be allowed.
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#49 Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 7:13 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
WTF??? Really?!?! d'oh! I would sure like to know what these "special rules" are?? If you mean small business' are NOT afforded the tax breaks and incentives larger companies are, then yes you could consider that a "special rule". But cash speaks the loudest. LOL


So now you're against small businesses too??? Big businesses come from small business start-ups. Do you think companies like Apple, Microsoft, or Ford started out as the huge companies they are today. IIRC they all where small businesses that started in the garage. Small business growth is IMHO what helps builds the middle-class economy. Raising the minimum wage hurts small business far more that it does big business. And the guberment should not be dictating what business owners are required to take as a salary from their own business either. As a business owner if you choose to pay yourself $1/yr, you should be allowed.


Spot on. Larger corporations like Walmart and McDonalds wouldn't mind a higher minimum wage. They have the money to absorb it while some of their competition does not. The only reason they haven't raised the wages ahead of their competition without minimum wage being increased is because it would put them at a competitive disadvantage. But once everyone has to follow the same law the top dogs are going to benefit. The additional cost of labor will be a small price to pay as they seize a greater share of the market. This means a shift to less competition and higher prices which would offset any raise in minimum wage.
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#50 Posted: Thu, May 8 2014, 7:19 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I'm talking about fair wages for fair work. Not paying children, young adults or women less for what they do. That's all.


So if an employee is only capable of producing $7.50/hr worth of labor its fair to force the employer to pay him/her $10/hr?
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