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The only hate I'm seeing for those who simply want to turn a profit for their efforts is the republicans with their thirst for exploitation and unbridled capitalism.

As I wrote earlier, small businesses may well deserve special dispensation in order to stimulate local economies. But million and billion-dollar businesses? Why is it that you feel they deserve some special treatment too?

By the way, has it really been five years since you've given your staff raise? Hypothetically speaking of course.

Now my last round I shot a 42. That par 28 nine-hole will never be the same!

Nice casino there at Choctaw. Maybe we'll have to organize a round. I could be there . . .

we should make a plan....

Dude, lots of those employees need food stamps. Where do you think those come from?

unbridled Capitalism ?

what country are you living in,,,

We ( business owners) are smothered in regulations that cost $$$ and jobs for the underlings...


Btw,

Toyota is relocating from the chit hole California to the area you and I live in and have received an exemption pkge from the City of Plano. Well worth every penny.


wheel,,

I said "lots" not "all".

What's your guess, how many people who are on minimum-wage need food stamps and government support?

So you can' be drafted?

prolly just the ones with kids and no future and stuff , Walmart has lots of management opportunties and prolly pays them well...

Well I reckon you out clevered me there.

You can take your shotgun. Tell folks it's the new TaylorMade driver......

When do you guys wanna do this thing ?

They have a nice pool there and I have a new speedo !


wheel,,

Three times? I take it you're excited about your speedo.


Me not so much.

oops...

I'd prolly bring the Bounder down again.... it was cool sitting up most of the night watching the building change colors...

How about playing on a sunday hanging sunday afternoon/ night and heading home on monday ?


wheel,,

Sounds good. Two hour drive for me, we would need a late morning T time.

Drafter, you gonna hit some balls or not?


And a Sunday night would be better. Can't you call in sick??? I can call them for you - Dr. Brewha at your service . . . .

^ Is your handle like RacerX from Speed Racer?

In June ?

and yes Willam you are gonna play,,,

or else...

Brewha bring your wife or partner, whatever..

I'll get the golf set up when you girls decide a date .
can't do the weekend of the 21/22nd. My dad's B-day,,


wheel,,

Dude... you never took an economics class did you?
If the value of a labor is worth less than what the labor pool is willing to do the work for, then the work does not get done. This isn't hard to understand. If specific labor produces $1 worth of value for an hour's worth of work (as in the intrinsic value of the goods increases by $1 due to an hour's worth of labor), I can't pay $10 for the labor. If no one will work for the $1, then the work is not worth doing within our society.

And no, a job is NOT "worth what it costs to have people do it". If the product of that job is worth less than the labor the people producing it demand, then it's not going to happen.

You simply don't get it. You want to have your cake and eat it too. I have simply pointed out to you that your desire to raise the minimum wage (you've never said to what level, but as you claim all workers must have a living wage, I will assume it is to between $10 and $20 an hour) will have significant impact on the demand curve surrounding labor. I asked you to explain how you'd deal with that.... and you fall back to "you're an evil fat cat capitalist" claims.

Get better at your arguments Brew, and stop dodging my points, I get very bored when you don't actually engage in a conversation.

I keep saying it's just a way to make the small business dude support Obamacare..... Obama thinks the minimum wage worker will give him their new found moneys....

Another interesting twist on the concept of a minimum wage is demanded value.

On an extreme scale, you're looking at the difference between hiring 5 $2/hr laborers to monkey around and eventually maybe get something done, vs hiring 1 $10/hr laborer who can get the same work done in the same time. Employers will be more selective on who they hire, and as long as we have such a high unemployment, they will be able to be.

Essentially, if you fix the minimum wage to some value (let's say $10/hr) you are ensuring that individuals who are simply unable to produce anything of that value will never be hired. They will always have an income of 0, and will be eternal welfare draws. They have no opportunity to even contribute some part of their livelihood, because an hour of their work is not worth the federally mandated price.

Actually, Vic, for the most part an employer will only hire one of those $2/hour laborers.
The employer generally doesn't say "I've got $10 per hour to give."
They say "I need X amount of man-hours to perform a task"

Further, regardless of what the mandated minimum is, it doesn't make the worker any more qualified.
And even at the $2/hour you cite, why would an employer accept sub-par performance?
If a higher skill level is required, they'd have to pay MORE than the minimum regardless of where that is set.

Vic,
We're talking mandated minimum wages here.
Raising it from $2/hr to $10/hr doesn't make the worker worth more.
It doesn't make them more efficient and it doesn't make them work harder.
If one guy in a $2/hour world was indeed 5X better at his job, he'd be getting paid the $10/hour already.

Raising the minimums helps the teenagers, the part timers, and those whose work ability is worth less than $10/hour (by choice or by circumstance).

Good workers don't make minimum wage. At least not for very long.

Raising the minimums does not help teenagers or those with limited work history. It raises the lowest rung on the ladder to a level they don't have the work skills to meet and prices them out of work. Bottom line if you produce less than $10/hr or whatever the arbitrary minimum is you become unemployable.