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cacman Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Jun 10 2014, 1:46 PM EST
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/politics/children-immigrant-crossings/index.html?hpt=us_c2
(CNN) -- A tide of border crossings by children mostly from Central America is not expected to end soon, and some in Congress blame President Barack Obama for policies they claim opened the floodgate.

Holding centers in Texas can no longer accommodate large numbers of children and mothers traveling alone with their kids, forcing the federal government to open additional facilities.

One is in Nogales, Arizona, where pictures of unaccompanied children lying on the floor of a large barren facility raised concerns of a humanitarian crisis.

But Nogales Mayor Arturo Garina said the site, which serves as an overflow center for up to 1,000, is addressing the immediate need for shelter.

"I'm very comfortable with what I saw," he said on CNN's "New Day."

He said there are makeshift cafeterias and medical centers and that telephone banks and computers have been set up to process people and contact relatives.



Leave no child behind, even if it's our own?
HockeyDad Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Jun 10 2014, 1:47 PM EST
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Open the FEMA camps!
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jun 10 2014, 1:52 PM EST
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book'em.. send'em back.... if they come back lock them up.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jun 10 2014, 1:58 PM EST
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Shoot them
deadeyedick Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jun 10 2014, 2:07 PM EST
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This is what happens when you start down this road with the "dreamers" policy. It will only get worse. Congress is being asked to authorize an extra $2 billion immediately to help deal with this short term.

There have been hundreds dropped off in Phoenix and Tucson at the bus stations in the last week alone.

If Barry can't get his way on "immigration reform" (amnesty) he will just go around congress as he has done on most everything else.

DED
TMCTLT Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jun 11 2014, 3:22 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Open the FEMA camps!



They're saving those for us...don't be silly!!

They flew even more Illegals to the East

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2014/06/11/military-bases-obamas-new-illegal-alien-dumping-grounds/?subscriber=1
Bitter Klinger Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jun 11 2014, 10:51 PM EST
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Bus 'em right up the White House steps and open the door.





That'll fix it overnight...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 9:37 AM EST
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The priorities the Kenyan King has amazes me...then again look who voted for the guy! A bunch of gimmie gimmie I want free stuff types...



Senate panel OKs $2 billion for child immigrants


WASHINGTON (AP) — A Senate appropriations panel voted Tuesday to give the Obama administration $2 billion it requested to handle the dramatic increase in child immigrants caught trying to illegally cross the Mexican border without their parents.

The money is more than $1.1 billion more than President Barack Obama initially asked for in his budget proposal for the Health and Human Services division that cares for and houses immigrant children caught alone at the border. It would effectively come from yet unspecified changes in mandatory programs.

The number of children found trying to cross the Mexican border without parents has skyrocketed in recent years. Between 2008 and 2011, the number of children landing in the custody of HHS's Refugee Resettlement fluctuated between 6,000 and 7,500 per year. In 2012 border agents apprehended 13,625 unaccompanied children and that number surged even more — to over 24,000 — last year. The total is expected to be as high as 90,000 this year.

Office of Management and Budget Deputy Director Brian Deese wrote to committee chairwoman Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., to formally ask for more money on May 30.

The HHS budget approved by the committee would also allow the government to move money from other areas if the flow of child immigrants grows beyond the latest estimate of up to 90,000.

The full Senate will have the final say on its version of the HHS budget. And the House has not yet acted on the issue.

Most children caught crossing the border alone are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala and cannot be quickly repatriated.

Under federal law, the children are supposed to be turned over to HHS within 72 hours. Most are then reunited with parents or other relatives already living in the United States.

Because of the massive influx of children this year, the Border Patrol has been forced to house many children in local patrol stations and recently has moved some young immigrants to Nogales, Arizona, where they are being quartered temporarily in a warehouse.

The administration has turned to the Department of Defense to use three military bases in California, Texas and Oklahoma to temporarily house other children once they are transferred to HHS care.


http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-06-10/senate-panel-oks-2-billion-for-child-immigrants

Yet...we have veterans just trying to use the benefits they earned...

http://nation.time.com/2013/04/23/the-va-disability-claims-backlog-and-the-vas-response/

Don't put the money there! Don't bring home our troops and put them on our borders to secure this travesty...don't pass legislation ending the wet foot/ dry foot and instant citizenship for a baby born here...NOOOOOOO...let's just run this nation into the ground!!!
gryphonms Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 10:28 AM EST
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Sadly this will get worse and worse since their answer is to spend more on the problem rather than spending to fix the problem. Man it is weird to say their answer, but I can't bring myself to say our answer. It's been a long time since I felt I was being represented.
cacman Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 11:57 AM EST
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What would you expect when the US policy is to feed, clothe, provide healthcare, and educate every child in the US regardless if they are citizens.

I don't see US citizens crashing the border of any other country for these benefits. Spend the money to send them all home and secure the border.
Buckwheat Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 12:12 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Shoot them


Ja wohl, Mein Fuhrer.

I guess this is why the government has been buying all of the ammo? Sarcasm

Never give an order that you wouldn't carry out.
tailgater Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 12:14 PM EST
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
Bus 'em right up the White House steps and open the door.



Uh, that's called an Obama Family Reunion.
TMCTLT Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 12:19 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Ja wohl, Mein Fuhrer.

I guess this is why the government has been buying all of the ammo? Sarcasm

Never give an order that you wouldn't carry out.



While the good Dr's comment are a bit extreme, when We The People request that SOMETHING be done about our porous border to the S.....let alone BEFORE any kind of " Path to Citizenship " F'n Bill is passed and NOTHING is done to address these serious concerns....what do you recommend? Why should ANYONE be willing to allow these Law Breakers to stay??
DrMaddVibe Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 12:26 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Ja wohl, Mein Fuhrer.

I guess this is why the government has been buying all of the ammo? Sarcasm

Never give an order that you wouldn't carry out.



Now, where have I heard "Landmines, Gun Turrets and Predator Drones" before?
Mr Roso Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:04 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Shoot them


Big guy behind the monitor. RollEyes
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:09 PM EST
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Mr Roso wrote:
Big guy behind the monitor. RollEyes



We have a right way to immigrate here and there's this way the White House is ramming down. Sorry you feel your nation should give away everything at your expense!

We deserve better. Our borders are as easy to cross as your mind.

Keep on giving it away.
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:10 PM EST
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Launch a military invasion of Mexico. Annex it. Provide a few trillion dollars for restoration. Illegal immigration solved.
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:12 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Launch a military invasion of Mexico. Annex it. Provide a few trillion dollars for restoration. Illegal immigration solved.



It would create a smaller southern boarder. We should go all the way to panama. Too bad jimmy gave the canal away.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:14 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It would create a smaller southern boarder. We should go all the way to panama. Too bad jimmy gave the canal away.



Yup...think the ChiComs will care?
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:14 PM EST
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so not wanting to shoot children = wanting to give away everytihng at your expense = an easily crossed mind.

got it.
Mr Roso Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:15 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
We have a right way to immigrate here and there's this way the White House is ramming down. Sorry you feel your nation should give away everything at your expense!

We deserve better. Our borders are as easy to cross as your mind.

Keep on giving it away.


You misunderstood. Immigration is a huge problem, but I feel that your 'shoot them' comment was irresponsible in this day and age where sadly things like school shootings happen so frequently.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:15 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yup...think the ChiComs will care?


meh..... shoot them.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
so not wanting to shoot children = wanting to give away everytihng at your expense = an easily crossed mind.

got it.



Good.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:16 PM EST
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Mr Roso wrote:
You misunderstood. Immigration is a huge problem, but I feel that your 'shoot them' comment was irresponsible in this day and age where sadly things like school shootings happen so frequently.



"Buy a shotgun...buy a shotgun!" - VP Joe Biden
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:17 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
"Buy a shotgun...buy a shotgun! the spray pattern can hit more children at once and if you don't agree with me you have a crossed mind and stuff" - VP Joe Biden



I'm having a hard time tracking apparantly
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:18 PM EST
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poor cros
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:28 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Launch a military invasion of Mexico. Annex it. Provide a few trillion dollars for restoration. Illegal immigration solved.



Sounds like a subcontracting opportunity to me.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:30 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Sounds like a subcontracting opportunity to me.



Shhh


We're not talking 'bout picking low hanging fruit!
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:32 PM EST
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we could fund the whole thing by selling arms to Iran
DrMaddVibe Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:33 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
we could fund the whole thing by selling arms to Iran



That didn't work out the first time we tried that!


2nd time either...matter of fact.
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:35 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
That didn't work out the first time we tried that!


2nd time either...matter of fact.



so what's your point?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:35 PM EST
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That it didn't work.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:36 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
That it didn't work.


have you tried the blue pill?
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:37 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Launch a military invasion of Mexico. Annex it. Provide a few trillion dollars for restoration. Illegal immigration solved.



On second thought we could just redraw the boundry and call them citizens with out all the bloodshed.
HockeyDad Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:38 PM EST
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Maybe we need to just shoot them.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:44 PM EST
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Yea I'm getting confused too. keep it simple.
BuckyB93 Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:55 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Maybe we need to just shoot them.


Nah. Takes too long and you have to address the emotional impact on the troops.

Gas chambers are more efficient. Have we not learned anything from history?
Buckwheat Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Jun 13 2014, 1:58 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Maybe we need to just shoot them.


Or we could pen them up and harvest their organs for the Tax Paying Citizens of the US. Gas would be the least expensive final solution to this problem.

All sarcasm aside; I honestly don't see a workable solution to this problem without spending a lot of money and manpower to stop them from getting here in the first place. And even that will probably not work very well. The area to cover is just too large IMO. I agree that there should be something done. Not sure what that should be. Oh well...Brick wall
T Z Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2014, 3:27 PM EST
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Mine the border and let us use them for target practice. but first make them clean up all the trash they are leaving spread out across the desert.
ZRX1200 Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2014, 4:00 PM EST
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Sell hunting tags and create tax revenues
gryphonms Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2014, 5:17 PM EST
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The problem is the risk is minimal, deportation. The reward is great, a better life. HD is right there certainly is no obvious solution. Though if we can change the above stated paradigm that would be a good start. The best way I see to do that is to lower the reward. The way I see to do that is to make the penalty for highering an illegal alien so onerous that there is no employment opportunity for an illegal alien. While this would not directly impact the influx of illegal alien children I think it would deflate the problem. If they have no family here it makes it less likely in my mind that a parent would send their child here.
dkeage Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2014, 5:34 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
The problem is the risk is minimal, deportation. The reward is great, a better life. HD is right there certainly is no obvious solution. Though if we can change the above stated paradigm that would be a good start. The best way I see to do that is to lower the reward. The way I see to do that is to make the penalty for highering an illegal alien so onerous that there is no employment opportunity for an illegal alien. While this would not directly impact the influx of illegal alien children I think it would deflate the problem. If they have no family here it makes it less likely in my mind that a parent would send their child here.



How would Wheelrite get his house cleaned and his yard mowed??? Think
ZRX1200 Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2014, 5:36 PM EST
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Wouldn't stop free benefits errrrr.....


Wellfare.
gryphonms Offline
#44 Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2014, 5:50 PM EST
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True, but we have to start somewhere. I do not seem my idea as a complete solution but it could be done and would be a start.
dkeage Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2014, 6:06 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
True, but we have to start somewhere. I do not seem my idea as a complete solution but it could be done and would be a start.



I'm agree, but doubt it can happen. It's easier not to give benefits Almost impossible to take them away
cacman Offline
#46 Posted: Sun, Jun 15 2014, 3:25 AM EST
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dkeage wrote:
I'm agree, but doubt it can happen. It's easier not to give benefits Almost impossible to take them away

Correction… It's easier to give benefits to those breaking the law, give them amnesty, and allow them to take advantage of the Dem's policy of buying votes. But it's almost impossible to give the same benefits to US citizens.

Our education system suffers and our children receive a poorer education to serve the needs of illegal immigrants? Why is it cheaper for an immigrant to receive an education (and often receive cash for attending an American college) while US citizens struggle with education debt?
Stinkdyr Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Jun 15 2014, 6:40 PM EST
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Catapult them back over the border.

Word will spread, you won't have to launch very many...


Herfing
ZRX1200 Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Jun 15 2014, 11:16 PM EST
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Cacman I slightly disagree, the US is pretty high on the per student cost......it's what we get (largely but not in every case) per dollar is poor.
victor809 Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 11:30 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
Correction… It's easier to give benefits to those breaking the law, give them amnesty, and allow them to take advantage of the Dem's policy of buying votes. But it's almost impossible to give the same benefits to US citizens.

Our education system suffers and our children receive a poorer education to serve the needs of illegal immigrants? Why is it cheaper for an immigrant to receive an education (and often receive cash for attending an American college) while US citizens struggle with education debt?


While I don't believe your claims are actually correct.

My answer is a flat. Meh.

We're getting more labor out of these illegals than we are out of our average american citizen demanding benefits... so at least something is getting done.

TMCTLT Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:03 AM EST
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Finally....Americans who feel as though their backs are to the wall watching their Federal Government do NOTHING to " stem the flow " are taking things in their own hands Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause


http://www.gopusa.com/news/2014/07/02/ca-protesters-block-bus-carrying-illegal-aliens/?subscriber=1
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