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iamuser1see Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:16 AM EST
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The word of the day is, "crisis."

Thankfully, Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) helped the entire nation to understand what it means, more or less, sort of not. Here's what I came away with from her photo op, err, I mean briefing the other day at the boarder.

Crisis, something that is, or sounds like it is, but it's not, unless it is, when those who say it is, but its not because it is, when it is a blessing, it can't really be not is and it's beautiful (in 17 years or so) probably.

To think that I thought that I knew what crisis meant. Thanks to Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) for clearing that up for me!
HockeyDad Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:20 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
While I don't believe your claims are actually correct.

My answer is a flat. Meh.

We're getting more labor out of these illegals than we are out of our average american citizen demanding benefits... so at least something is getting done.




We need to look into a policy where the illegals get citizenship and the career government-dependent gets deported on a 1 for 1 basis.
DrafterX Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:22 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
We need to look into a policy where the illegals get citizenship and the career government-dependent gets deported on a 1 for 1 basis.




Think Think
gryphonms Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:23 AM EST
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That island off of Brazil should be available HD.
HockeyDad Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:25 AM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
That island off of Brazil should be available HD.



I doubt Brazil would let us have it. They're clearly using it to develop a snake army which they will use to conquer Argentina.
pdxstogieman Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 1:54 PM EST
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This situation is like a plague of locusts. The seagulls saved the Mormons from that back in the day. Maybe we can air drop millions of sardines in a 100 yard wide strip on our side of the border and seagulls would come and eat the children entering that zone illegally.
HockeyDad Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 1:57 PM EST
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Note to self: invest in sardine production facilities
MACS Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 1:59 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Note to self: invest in sardine production facilities


And stop feeding seagulls alka seltzer...
HockeyDad Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:00 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
And stop feeding seagulls alka seltzer...



Drafterx does that.
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:03 PM EST
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no way man... Not talking


I did notice somebody was pulling one of legs off the seagulls down there tho.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:08 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Note to self: invest in sardine production facilities



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZNNwzA0J4M
victor809 Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:16 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
We need to look into a policy where the illegals get citizenship and the career government-dependent gets deported on a 1 for 1 basis.




I'd be interested in seeing how that works.

I can guarantee you the average career gov't worker isn't going to have the drive to make it back into the US through miles of desert. They'll be MUCH easier to keep outside the wall.
MACS Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:18 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing how that works.

I can guarantee you the average career gov't worker isn't going to have the drive to make it back into the US through miles of desert. They'll be MUCH easier to keep outside the wall.


I believe he meant those being paid by the government who do NOT work for it, not the ones who have government EMPLOYMENT.

Although...
victor809 Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:21 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I believe he meant those being paid by the government who do NOT work for it, not the ones who have government EMPLOYMENT.

Although...


Is there a difference?
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:22 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Is there a difference?



not according to Bloody..... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:23 PM EST
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Vacationing is damned hard work!
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:27 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZNNwzA0J4M



great movie... ThumpUp
DrMaddVibe Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:28 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
great movie... ThumpUp



Better book!
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:29 PM EST
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Shame on you I don't want No Dead Frogs..!! Not talking Not talking
HockeyDad Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:40 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I believe he meant those being paid by the government who do NOT work for it, not the ones who have government EMPLOYMENT.

Although...



Let's not rule out any ideas!!!
MACS Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:44 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Is there a difference?


Indeed there is, sir. Military men and women actually work for their pay. So do cops, firefighters, garbage collectors, and the like.

I believe the group HD was referring to was the career welfare recipients. Sit at home, squeeze out a couple kids, sit back and watch the love stories while the taxpayers foot the bill.
victor809 Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:50 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Indeed there is, sir. Military men and women actually work for their pay. So do cops, firefighters, garbage collectors, and the like.

I believe the group HD was referring to was the career welfare recipients. Sit at home, squeeze out a couple kids, sit back and watch the love stories while the taxpayers foot the bill.


So can we send the bureaucrats across the border on a 1:1 trade?

Hell, I'd take 10 illegal Mexican or Guatemalans for every bureaucrat we can get rid of.
TMCTLT Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 9:45 PM EST
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But wait....more positive news on What these folks are bringing WITH THEM and how those FORCED to deal with the problem are being silenced under threat.


http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2014/07/02/dangerous-conditions-at-illegal-alien-camps-but-its-illegal-to-talk-about/?subscriber=1
TMCTLT Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 9:47 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So can we send the bureaucrats across the border on a 1:1 trade?

Hell, I'd take 10 illegal Mexican or Guatemalans for every bureaucrat we can get rid of.



Victoria, can we start with your Aunty Nancy from your Thunshine State
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:40 PM EST
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You can start with whoever you want to TCBY... I look forward to reading the news story.
TMCTLT Offline
#76 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 5:58 AM EST
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Here's the full story for those not willing to check the link:



What is happening to our country? We are absolutely being flooded with a new wave of illegal aliens, and the Obama administration is doing nothing about it. Americans are deeply concerned that their country is being overrun, and now it appears that expressing some of those concerns, such as the health condition of some of these people, can get you arrested.

As Fox News reports, doctors and nurses at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, the site of an illegal alien "refugee camp," were being threatened with arrest "if they divulged any information about the contagion threat."

"There were several of us who wanted to talk about the camps, but the agents made it clear we would be arrested," a psychiatric counselor told me. "We were under orders not to say anything."

The sources said workers were guarded by a security force from the Baptist Family & Children's Services, which the Department of Health and Human Services hired to run the Lackland Camp.

The sources say security forces called themselves the "Brown Shirts."

"It was a very submissive atmosphere," the counselor said. "Once you stepped onto the grounds, you abided by their laws - the Brown Shirt laws."

She said the workers were stripped of their cellphones and other communication devices. Anyone caught with a phone was immediately fired.

"Everyone was paranoid," she said. "The children had more rights than the workers."
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 7:47 AM EST
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
DrMaddVibe Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 7:52 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Here's the full story for those not willing to check the link:



What is happening to our country? We are absolutely being flooded with a new wave of illegal aliens, and the Obama administration is doing nothing about it. Americans are deeply concerned that their country is being overrun, and now it appears that expressing some of those concerns, such as the health condition of some of these people, can get you arrested.

As Fox News reports, doctors and nurses at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, the site of an illegal alien "refugee camp," were being threatened with arrest "if they divulged any information about the contagion threat."

"There were several of us who wanted to talk about the camps, but the agents made it clear we would be arrested," a psychiatric counselor told me. "We were under orders not to say anything."

The sources said workers were guarded by a security force from the Baptist Family & Children's Services, which the Department of Health and Human Services hired to run the Lackland Camp.

The sources say security forces called themselves the "Brown Shirts."

"It was a very submissive atmosphere," the counselor said. "Once you stepped onto the grounds, you abided by their laws - the Brown Shirt laws."

She said the workers were stripped of their cellphones and other communication devices. Anyone caught with a phone was immediately fired.

"Everyone was paranoid," she said. "The children had more rights than the workers."



The Kenyan King is doing something...he's spending more tax dollars on a solution he's scoffed at. Time to pay the band if you liked all the dancing...and even if you didn't!

As for the "brown shirts" comment...we all know it's code for Nazi...hell even Homeland Security is too. We're on little push from going down the same brand of crazy Germany did and most don't even know it. All it will take is one flip of the switch and it's done.
DrafterX Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 7:56 AM EST
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they're gonna need lots of ammo if they plan on somethin like that... Not talking Not talking


ohh wait... d'oh!
TMCTLT Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 7:57 AM EST
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Every Mayor and every Governor should be turning these buses away and head them towards Washington DC, our elected officials want to use them as PAWNS let them enjoy them 24/7 365.
TMCTLT Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 7:59 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
they're gonna need lots of ammo if they plan on somethin like that... Not talking Not talking


ohh wait... d'oh!



They still don't have the personel to pull it off....and I do not believe for one moment that the majority of service members would turn on American Citizens.
Mr. Jones Offline
#82 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 11:10 AM EST
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Whatever happened to stopping a bus at the
boarder crossings IN FREAKIN MEXICO?
and checking for passports and or visas??

I say stop those buses in "NO MANS LAND" BETWEEN CHECKPOINTS ,check their I.D.'s and if they are illegal minors travelling alone.....send'm
Right back to Mexico.

Now the kids on foot crossing rivers and fences
Is a different animal altogether...that will be tough
To stop.
victor809 Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 11:36 AM EST
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Jones,
I believe these buses are trying to shuttle children who were found inside the US. They aren't gathering these buses at the border and driving them further into the country. These are children of illegal immigrants, so the whole family is probably caught in the US, and the parents are sent to a processing center for adults to be sent back over the border. You can't put children in the same detention facilities, so we have this issue. In fact, this has nothing to do with immigration policies.... even with the strictest immigration policies, someone's going to make it across the border. When they do we have to process them and their children (if they brought them).


Ok...
This is getting a little out of hand. Here are a few things about this which don't add up.
1 - Baptist Family and Children Services is providing "security"? Since when do church organizations even have security details? And don't you guys usually accuse Obama of being muslim?? Be consistent and at least accuse him of having a "Muslim Family and Children Services" organization provide security.
2 - the "brown shirts"? We're going to say Obama is a nazi because some high school drop-outs 50 levels below him are calling themselves "brown shirts"?
3 - We're accusing Obama of creating Homeland Security now too??????

If it would make you guys feel better we can just execute the kids on your front lawn or something... I don't know. Seriously... this is a screwed up situation for a bunch of kids who are essentially being dragged from one country to another by their parents (do you expect them to say "no mom, I'm gonna stay behind here in Mexico"..) then separated from their family when they're caught, stuffed in a bus, yelled at by protesters when they try to shuttle them to some orphanage-style detention center while the parents are processed....

I think you guys need to step back a little and try to determine exactly why you're angry at these kids.... or why you're angry at Obama for not just dumping them in the desert south of the border... or whatever you're angry about.
Mr. Jones Offline
#84 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 11:53 AM EST
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^^ thanks Victor
I used to be a big news hound....now i really dont give a $HIT, why worry about crap you cant fix.

This is why i stay away from the politics forum,
I'm uninformed and dont really care.

It's sad for the kids though, gettng seperated from their parents. What a quagmire this will become or already is.
The U.S. will spend it's way into ruin.
Bring back "No Deficit BILL", HE CAN BALANCE A BUDGET...and then some.
victor809 Offline
#85 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 11:59 AM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
^^ thanks Victor
I used to be a big news hound....now i really dont give a $HIT, why worry about crap you cant fix.

This is why i stay away from the politics forum,
I'm uninformed and dont really care.

It's sad for the kids though, gettng seperated from their parents. What a quagmire this will become or already is.
The U.S. will spend it's way into ruin.
Bring back "No Deficit BILL", HE CAN BALANCE A BUDGET...and then some.


To clarify, I don't know for sure that's where all the kids are coming from. It's the best I can surmise... the news stories are frighteningly short on "news"... they're more concerned that some gov't contractor referred to their group as "brown shirts" than why the kids are actually there.

It's a mess, I agree. What I find so weird is I don't think it's really germane to either side's argument... they're just trying to make political points on a bus full of scared kids. Seems a little cheap to me.
TMCTLT Offline
#86 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 12:24 PM EST
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victor809[h wrote:
[/h]]To clarify, I don't know for sure that's where all the kids are coming from. It's the best I can surmise... the news stories are frighteningly short on "news"... they're more concerned that some gov't contractor referred to their group as "brown shirts" than why the kids are actually there.

It's a mess, I agree. What I find so weird is I don't think it's really germane to either side's argument... they're just trying to make political points on a bus full of scared kids. Seems a little cheap to me.




Your opening statement IS exactly right....but that does NOT stop you from running your mouth on what YOU think YOU know. My understanding is that of the approximate 52,000 kids who've Come here did so without their parents, and those who were helped by " other " adults to get here....once here that we're abandoned AGAIN. It is a mess that has been dumped on the US's doorstep because they know that bleeding hearts here will screw American children over to make the US look good in the Worlds eye....pffft
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#87 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 12:37 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Your opening statement IS exactly right....but that does NOT stop you from running your mouth on what YOU think YOU know. My understanding is that of the approximate 52,000 kids who've Come here did so without their parents, and those who were helped by " other " adults to get here....once here that we're abandoned AGAIN.


Ok... I decided to look into this.
Here's what I found:

The Kids are coming from countries south of Mexico. Our congress passed a law (in the Bush years) which said we cannot turn back children from countries south of Mexico... we can turn back mexican children:
http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5813406/explain-child-migrant-crisis-central-america-unaccompanied-children-immigrants-daca

So an entire bus of children COULD show up at our border from guatemala and we would have to bring them into the country and try them in a court. During this period, we have to do something with them, which is where the "permiso"s come in (I think)... these are apparently notices that we are going to send you out of the country, but until we give you the deportation trial, we're going to let you chill here...
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/06/27/undocumented-immigrant-children-spurred-by-reuniting-with-families-not-just/

Interestingly, Obama is pushing to let us just turn them away at the border... so I'm not sure why people are blaming the obama administration at all for this...

So, I WAS incorrect... these are not accompanied mexican minors. These are kids being sent up alone to take advantage of a Bush era law put in place which Obama is trying to reverse. According to the law, we have to provide these kids with a deportation trial (or something like that)...

But I'm sure this still has something to do with obama trying to create brown shirts and nazis.
DrafterX Offline
#88 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 12:41 PM EST
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I heard that's how Obama got into the country.... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#89 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 3:35 PM EST
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#82 ^^^^^
Mr. Glida Radner sez,
"Nevermind"
MACS Offline
#90 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 3:45 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Finally....Americans who feel as though their backs are to the wall watching their Federal Government do NOTHING to " stem the flow " are taking things in their own hands Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause


http://www.gopusa.com/news/2014/07/02/ca-protesters-block-bus-carrying-illegal-aliens/?subscriber=1


Neighboring city. Right next to the city I live in... I'm glad they did it.

We need more people protesting illegal immigration, but the solution to stopping it is simple: Don't allow them citizenship, don't speak their language, stop press 2 for spanish, don't give them ANY government handouts, etc... they'll stop coming.

But we make it so inviting... we meaning our ass-pipe government.
8trackdisco Offline
#91 Posted: Fri, Jul 4 2014, 12:18 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/politics/children-immigrant-crossings/index.html?hpt=us_c2
(CNN) -- A tide of border crossings by children mostly from Central America is not expected to end soon, and some in Congress blame President Barack Obama for policies they claim opened the floodgate.

Holding centers in Texas can no longer accommodate large numbers of children and mothers traveling alone with their kids, forcing the federal government to open additional facilities.

One is in Nogales, Arizona, where pictures of unaccompanied children lying on the floor of a large barren facility raised concerns of a humanitarian crisis.

But Nogales Mayor Arturo Garina said the site, which serves as an overflow center for up to 1,000, is addressing the immediate need for shelter.

"I'm very comfortable with what I saw," he said on CNN's "New Day."

He said there are makeshift cafeterias and medical centers and that telephone banks and computers have been set up to process people and contact relatives.



Leave no child behind, even if it's our own?


Land mines.
jetblasted Offline
#92 Posted: Fri, Jul 4 2014, 4:41 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Land mines.

Yes
tailgater Offline
#93 Posted: Fri, Jul 4 2014, 5:42 PM EST
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Obama said that he's bypassing congress because "they" (the GOP) are doing nothing.

Well, guess what?
We shouldn't have to "do anything" because we already have immigration laws.
The fact that the federal government isn't enforcing these laws isn't a solid reason to make even more laws.
jetblasted Offline
#94 Posted: Fri, Jul 4 2014, 6:11 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
#82 ^^^^^
Mr. Glida Radner sez,
"Nevermind"


That was Emily Litella . . .
jetblasted Offline
#95 Posted: Fri, Jul 4 2014, 6:13 PM EST
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[quote=MACS]We need more people protesting illegal immigration . . . [quote]

I heard there are protesters protesting the protesters . . .
victor809 Offline
#96 Posted: Fri, Jul 4 2014, 6:31 PM EST
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Tail... The law is being followed right now.

Apparently there's a specific law for immigrants other than mexico and it requires they be brought into the country and given a trial. This is being followed.
gryphonms Offline
#97 Posted: Fri, Jul 4 2014, 7:58 PM EST
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I believe the law is specific to juveniles.
teedubbya Offline
#98 Posted: Fri, Jul 4 2014, 8:34 PM EST
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So it applies to most of us in here?

By the way I'd be careful to jump to quickly on the band wagon of the protesters. In the end you may not like who they are. Then again maybe you will.
TMCTLT Offline
#99 Posted: Sun, Jul 13 2014, 6:46 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... The law is being followed right now.

Apparently there's a specific law for immigrants other than mexico and it requires they be brought into the country and given a trial. This is being followed.



I would like to know why they are dispersing them ALL across the US, everyone knows once released and awaiting trial......they'll disappear into the masses.

For those living in Michigan, they're getting ready to dump a bunch on you in the Vassar area.
Brewha Offline
#100 Posted: Sun, Jul 13 2014, 8:19 PM EST
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Of course this immigration surge is rooted in a law to curb child trafficking - brought into law by George W. Bush.

See Williams Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization act of 2008.




Yes, it's all Bush's fault . . . . .
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