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Brewha Offline
#51 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 12:16 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Well duh. Didn't you get the memo??

List of things okay to make fun of:
Nazis
Southerners
White Supremacists (see Southerners)
West Virginians
Pollacks (that one's never going away)
Catholic Priests (only in relation to altar boys)
Fat men (see: drafter)
Wheel

List of things not okay to make fun of:
Blacks
Indians (feather)
Jews
Fat women (see: drafter)
Retards (exception: wheel)


Hope that clears things up.

Victor, you are becoming a valuable Cbid resource.
Thank you for this informative posting.
jetblasted Offline
#52 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 3:45 PM EST
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Victor & TW ... You're beginning to sound just like the intolerant self-righteous ass holes you seem to hate.

Come to think of it, there's not much difference, when it all boils down to it ...
mikey1597 Offline
#53 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 4:30 PM EST
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d'oh!
Gene363 Offline
#54 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 4:38 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Victor & TW ... You're beginning to sound just like the intolerant self-righteous ass holes you seem to hate.

Come to think of it, there's not much difference, when it all boils down to it ...


People with low self esteem love to crap on others the make themselves feel good and avoid looking in the mirror. Some of the are online master-baiters aka trolls. I'm just saying
fenderbendertex Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 5:09 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Fender just gave gene the finger ..... and the pinky toe.

Yep - first time I can remember I was called a savage outside of the bedroom...
Mattie B Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 5:45 PM EST
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I like to think I know TW well enough to say he's just screwing around with no ill will. He's just looking for a laugh. I'd even say he's not trying to upset anyone.

Victor I don't know so I can't speak on his behalf. Although most of what I see, his posts tend to chap some folks into a quarrel. It's hard to believe its unintentional. His persona just comes across as a Cross man.
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:16 PM EST
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I am just jacking around. I find the solution to absurdity is to act absurd your self and not get too upset about either part of it.

I have nothin against southerners other than they act just as goofy as northerners.
Brewha Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:18 PM EST
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Mattie B wrote:
I like to think I know TW well enough to say he's just screwing around with no ill will. He's just looking for a laugh. I'd even say he's not trying to upset anyone.

Victor I don't know so I can't speak on his behalf. Although most of what I see, his posts tend to chap some folks into a quarrel. It's hard to believe its unintentional. His persona just comes across as a Cross man.

Misanthrop. Victor is a misanthrop. And proud of it.

You're welcome.
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:19 PM EST
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And Victor is cool in my book it's just this place is filled with the anti-Victor and this isn't the most tolerant site in the world but Victor doesn't give a **** about that because he has thick skin and expects everyone else to have thick skin and thoroughly enjoys it when he find someone who doesn't
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:20 PM EST
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I will meet stupidity with more stupidity just to prove a point and the point is stupid

Lol
Mattie B Offline
#61 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:26 PM EST
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Well you can give it a rest.


Point proven.



We all are convinced you're STUPID!!!
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:30 PM EST
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You ain't seen nothing yet
Gene363 Offline
#63 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:42 PM EST
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fenderbendertex wrote:
Yep - first time I can remember I was called a savage outside of the bedroom...


No one called you anything, you're no more a savage than I am a slave owner.
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:44 PM EST
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What you to do in the bedroom together is none of our business
Gene363 Offline
#65 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 6:49 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What you to do in the bedroom together is none of our business


He's just trying to pat himself on the back. Applause
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 7:06 PM EST
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Kinky
elRopo Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 7:22 PM EST
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guess they'll have to change the name of the "White House", any suggestions?
Mattie B Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 8:24 PM EST
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How about CASA DE TW?
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 8:46 PM EST
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I prefer tee dub in the hizzy
Mattie B Offline
#70 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 9:26 PM EST
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I'm Southern



I don't speak Jive
teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 10:00 PM EST
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How bout the billy bob coon shed.
Gene363 Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 10:29 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
How bout the billy bob coon shed.


[email protected]
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 11:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And Victor is cool in my book it's just this place is filled with the anti-Victor and this isn't the most tolerant site in the world but Victor doesn't give a **** about that because he has thick skin and expects everyone else to have thick skin and thoroughly enjoys it when he find someone who doesn't

Don't misundertake me.
Victor is an honest Misanthrop. Pure and forthright. You can't fake that kind of insightful dis trophy.
And he does observe with clarity and has great comprehensive skills. Dispite being predisposed to the antisocial.
In fact, he might yet be as valuable an asset to Cbid as the liberals.....
jetblasted Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Jun 26 2015, 11:16 PM EST
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I value him very much. Except the constant manufactured outrage & willing to argue at the drop of the hat if 1+1=2. And of course the constant barrage of negativity of 1/3 this country's population.

That **** gets old, real quick.

Where is our resident argumentative liberal tonight? I'm guessing out celebrating the Supreme Court's ruling today.

Not that there's anything wrong with that ...
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 2:24 AM EST
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Not surprisingly, yes. A friend of mine sings in the SF gay men's choir. They sang Elton John covers tonight... Everyone was very excited about being able to marry. I'm now home, sitting on my couch with the gf and a friend of mine and drinking some Scotch
tamapatom Offline
#76 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 6:32 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I’d say it got there the old fashion way – One of your relatives boinked a native.
So was it a savage thing to do, or just doing a savage?

Most whites with Indian blood are from the south. Cherokee were one of what we're called the five civilized tribes before the trail of tears. Unlike other Indian tribes they adapted white ways....farming and building cabins and raising cattle. The white and Indian mixing started with the fur traders. Most of the key Indian chefs had up to 1/4 Indian blood. Some were even Masons and received peace medals from George Washington. The great Indian chief Alexander McGalvery was one.

So what happened? The Creek war between northern creeks and southern creeks. Whites took sides and when it got bloody the northern creek massacred southern creeks and whites taking refuge in a U..S. fort. Congress did not want to get involved so Andrew Jackson assembled volunteers from Tennessee (hence the nickname ) to get revenge. The horror of the massacre was so unthinkable (think Indians cutting babies out of pregnant women and sticking them on poles) that Jackson was forever an indian hater and made it his life goal to purge us of the savages. This tore up families not unlike the civil war. In the end all Indians had to go even though the Indians were part white and the whites were part Indian.
Gene363 Offline
#77 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 10:00 AM EST
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tamapatom wrote:
Most whites with Indian blood are from the south. Cherokee were one of what we're called the five civilized tribes before the trail of tears. Unlike other Indian tribes they adapted white ways....farming and building cabins and raising cattle. The white and Indian mixing started with the fur traders. Most of the key Indian chefs had up to 1/4 Indian blood. Some were even Masons and received peace medals from George Washington. The great Indian chief Alexander McGalvery was one.

So what happened? The Creek war between northern creeks and southern creeks. Whites took sides and when it got bloody the northern creek massacred southern creeks and whites taking refuge in a U..S. fort. Congress did not want to get involved so Andrew Jackson assembled volunteers from Tennessee (hence the nickname ) to get revenge. The horror of the massacre was so unthinkable (think Indians cutting babies out of pregnant women and sticking them on poles) that Jackson was forever an indian hater and made it his life goal to purge us of the savages. This tore up families not unlike the civil war. In the end all Indians had to go even though the Indians were part white and the whites were part Indian.


Ah, that explains your "Cherokee" reference and my reference to "savages" it also highlights the mistake of "broad brushing" condemnations. People are people, doing both good and despicable things for thousands of years, no group, sect, ethnicity etc, is totally innocent.
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#78 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 2:04 PM EST
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And the real reason of the old saying, "I'll be there, Lord Willing & if the Creek don't rise", was attributed to the guy in charge of washington's effort to deal with Indians through treaty & negotiating, when the creek wars started. He was summoned back to DC & his response was, I'll be there, Lotd willing & if the Creek don't rise, meaning the Indians, not a body of water, ie; flooding ...

Little known fact :-)
tamapatom Offline
#79 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 3:21 PM EST
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Washington's treaty was so critical to America because at that time the Indians had weathered the deseases that had cleared the land for European settlement and had grown populous and strong. They learned white ways and language. If they had risen against whites at that point in history, they would have knocked the wave of manifest destiny back into the Atlantic. Popular opinion at the time said he was a weenie for giving up so much land and money in the treaty. What he bought was time.
Gene363 Offline
#80 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 5:02 PM EST
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Interesting history lessons today.
tamapatom Offline
#81 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 5:22 PM EST
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History is relived every day. In school we got bored stiff memorizing dates without any one realizing the exact names and dates are not what is important to learn about history.
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#82 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 5:24 PM EST
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William McIntosh was a prominent Chief of the Creek Nation. His plantation is/was a few miles from my house. And yes, he owned ... gasp ... Slaves. In 1825 he signed a treaty that ceded much of North Georgia to the U.S.

To the Creek Council of Nations, this was an act of Treason and sentenced him to death. The remnants of his plantation today is the "McIntosh Preserve" and he's buried near the banks of the Chattahoochee River, just south of me.
tamapatom Offline
#83 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 7:00 PM EST
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Slavery was different and not a permanent condition in many of the Indian nations. Most were escaped slaves tgat took refuge among the indians. Another reason that Jackson wanted Spanish Florida where slaves were free under Spanish rule. Look up Maroons of Florida. Free blacks were often called "slaves" to appease the southern white mans sensabilities who could not deal with freedom among the blacks. And yes many of the Chiefs sold out for personal gain claiming to represent peoples they may have not even had dominion over.
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#84 Posted: Sat, Jun 27 2015, 7:03 PM EST
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Lets not forget Delaware and Maryland also approved slavery.

Slavery wasnt just a Southern thing.
tamapatom Offline
#85 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 6:39 AM EST
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Mattie B wrote:
Lets not forget Delaware and Maryland also approved slavery.

Slavery wasnt just a Southern thing.

Indians were fist slaves but died or ran away too easily...so it's not just a black thing either.

Can't speak for other tribes but the Seminole used an indentured servant share cropper type arrangement and relied on blacks to be conscripted into battle and to serve as interpreters.

Brewha Offline
#86 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 10:53 AM EST
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If you ask me they didn't end slavery, they industrialized it.
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#87 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 11:22 AM EST
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TPP ?
jetblasted Offline
#88 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 11:40 AM EST
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Speaking of indentured servants, my family came to Colonial Virginia in the mid-1600's as indentured servants to escape the English Civil Wars. The story gets real interesting from that point on, but that's how we arrived on these shores many centuries ago.
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#89 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 12:38 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
TPP ?


Trans Pacific Partnership

What Is the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)?
Quote:

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a secretive, multinational trade agreement that threatens to extend restrictive intellectual property (IP) laws across the globe and rewrite international rules on its enforcement. The main problems are two-fold:

(1) Intellectual Property Chapter: Leaked draft texts of the agreement show that the IP chapter would have extensive negative ramifications for users’ freedom of speech, right to privacy and due process, and hinder peoples' abilities to innovate.

(2) Lack of Transparency: The entire process has shut out multi-stakeholder participation and is shrouded in secrecy.

Why You Should Care

TPP raises significant concerns about citizens’ freedom of expression, due process, innovation, the future of the Internet’s global infrastructure, and the right of sovereign nations to develop policies and laws that best meet their domestic priorities. In sum, the TPP puts at risk some of the most fundamental rights that enable access to knowledge for the world’s citizens.



https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp
fenderbendertex Offline
#90 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 12:47 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
No one called you anything, you're no more a savage than I am a slave owner.

Gene - just kidding. Not upset at all. Hell, I remember when school history books in Oklahoma called Native Americans much worse...
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#91 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 12:49 PM EST
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I am mad about this TPP however. A big part of my job includes encouraging students to create intellectual property.
jetblasted Offline
#92 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 12:49 PM EST
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And, we ship off manufacturing to Asia where they pay pennies a day for 18hr shifts, 7 days a week.

Ain't modern day slavery grand ?!!
Gene363 Offline
#93 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 1:07 PM EST
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fenderbendertex wrote:
Gene - just kidding. Not upset at all. Hell, I remember when school history books in Oklahoma called Native Americans much worse...


No problem here either, but thank you for letting me know.

Speaking of Oklahoma, when I was a dam operator in California I worked for a guy from Oklahoma. Rudy said he was, (and FWIW looked like) 100% Native American. He was always happy to be living in California and not Oklahoma.
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#94 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 5:59 PM EST
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The word "black" and it's use with other words has mostly a negative connotation.
Here's some, think of others:

Blackballed
Black Market
Black listed
Black mark
fenderbendertex Offline
#95 Posted: Sun, Jun 28 2015, 6:50 PM EST
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So what's this TPP chit? Destruction of the right to invent, write, compose, copyright, and get paid for your own inventions? American copyright/patent laws are already worse than Canada or the UK by and large. (If you get ripped off it costs more to sue than you would ever win. I know.) No internet protection? What happened to the 1st Amendment?
Brewha Offline
#96 Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2015, 7:15 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
The word "black" and it's use with other words has mostly a negative connotation.
Here's some, think of others:

Blackballed
Black Market
Black listed
Black mark


Black and Decker
Black label
Black & Mild
And “once you had Black you’ll never go back”…
frankj1 Offline
#97 Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2015, 7:19 AM EST
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paint it Black
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#98 Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2015, 7:22 AM EST
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Black Lab... just sayin.. Mellow
Brewha Offline
#99 Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2015, 7:48 AM EST
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Black jack, Cadillac, baby meet me out back…..

Sorry, too much partying this weekend…..
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