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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:38 AM EST
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Why haven't you been complaining about activist County Clerks?

http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/ky-county-clerk-ordered-to-issue-marriage-licenses-agai-1726916848

Woman's been ordered to do her job a number of times, and has flat out refused. Somewhere along the line it seems like she should either get fired for refusing to do what she is told at work, or should get in some sort of legal trouble for refusing to follow the law... but what do I know....
banderl Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:46 AM EST
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That's different, libtard!
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:46 AM EST
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Maybe she issued an executive order?
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:50 AM EST
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I think she is a freedom fighter fighting against the militants
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:53 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Why haven't you been complaining about activist County Clerks?

http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/ky-county-clerk-ordered-to-issue-marriage-licenses-agai-1726916848

Woman's been ordered to do her job a number of times, and has flat out refused. Somewhere along the line it seems like she should either get fired for refusing to do what she is told at work, or should get in some sort of legal trouble for refusing to follow the law... but what do I know....


In her case, she will suffer any consequences, not so for judges. She also isn't making up laws that others must follow. I suppose you would advocate throwing Rosa Parks into jail then?

Outrage level: zero, failure to launch

Personally, WTF do I need a licence from the government to get married? It's ridiculous racist control thing to make sure you don't marry outside your race and they want to make collect another fee. Age of consent laws cover underage brides and grooms.
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:58 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
In her case, she will suffer any consequences, not so for judges. She also isn't making up laws that others must follow. I suppose you would advocate throwing Rosa Parks into jail then?

Outrage level: zero, failure to launch

Personally, WTF do I need a licence from the government to get married? It's ridiculous racist control thing to make sure you don't marry outside your race and they want to make collect another fee. Age of consent laws cover underage brides and grooms.


Hey, I've advocated taking marriage out of the government all along. If marriage is whatever your church defines it to be and has no legal papers whatsoever, then people can finally stop whining about the government interfering with their religion.

However, this woman is NOT rosa parks. She is in a position of "power" (bureaucratic power) and refusing to do her job.
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:06 PM EST
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Speyside Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:12 PM EST
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Why isn't she fired already?
Gene363 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:15 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Hey, I've advocated taking marriage out of the government all along. If marriage is whatever your church defines it to be and has no legal papers whatsoever, then people can finally stop whining about the government interfering with their religion.

However, this woman is NOT rosa parks. She is in a position of "power" (bureaucratic power) and refusing to do her job.


You're just sore because she is following her personal religious beliefs, just wait until a mulim is in charge of liquor licenses.
victor809 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:16 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
You're just sore because she is following her personal religious beliefs, just wait until a mulim is in charge of liquor licenses.


Didn't you just prove my point?
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:17 PM EST
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I heard she has a phone and a pen, and she's not afraid to use them.
HockeyDad Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:20 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Why isn't she fired already?



She's part of a protected class.
Gene363 Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:26 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Didn't you just prove my point?


Did I say I agreed with her? And no, it is still different from the power of a judge making up laws, a far more serious problem. So a few people are inconvenienced, they are just making a point. Besides, I doubt there are many, time constrained, shotgun weddings in the gay community.
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:29 PM EST
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Isn't she attempting to create a legal precedent?
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 12:53 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Isn't she attempting to create a legal precedent?


No, I'm no attorney, but unless it goes to some court and a decision is rendered, it's not going to become case law.
cacman Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 1:09 PM EST
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Snowden should have just done what he was told to also.
Heck, we should all become sheep and blindly do what the guberment tells us to do, regardless of our personal moral & religious beliefs..
SmokeMonkey Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 1:17 PM EST
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Call me crazy, but if the requirements of your job change and now you have a level of discomfort based on your personal beliefs, wouldn't the best solution be to find another job?

In spite of my religious beliefs, we are, by our constitution, a secular nation, not a theocracy. I respect her belief, but either do your job or resign. Simple.
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 1:24 PM EST
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Why do you hate women..?? Huh
SmokeMonkey Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 1:40 PM EST
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Ha!
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 1:53 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Snowden should have just done what he was told to also.
Heck, we should all become sheep and blindly do what the guberment tells us to do, regardless of our personal moral & religious beliefs..


Well.... if you're a government employee, it would kind of make sense to do what the government tells you to do.
SmokeMonkey Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 1:55 PM EST
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I wasn't on this board when the court ruled on Citizens United. Out of curiosity, was there much outrage?
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 2:07 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
I wasn't on this board when the court ruled on Citizens United. Out of curiosity, was there much outrage?


... hehehe
tailgater Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 3:51 PM EST
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For the record, being outraged at certain newsworthy stories does not mean that you have to show equal outrage to everything.
I mean, we're not liberals here.
You seem outraged at our lack of outrage. Which is, unto itself, an outrageous outrage.
SmokeMonkey Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 4:04 PM EST
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I'm outraged at that response! Outraged I tell you!

Sorry, I got confused with all the laid back non-liberal threads and responses on here. Conservatives never get outraged over every little thing. ;)

No, seriously, I was curious about that. It's fascinating to see (on both sides of the aisle) what people get worked up about and what they do not. Not passing judgment on any of it, just a student of human thinking.
gummy jones Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 4:23 PM EST
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Moving on...
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 4:31 PM EST
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to da east side..?? Huh
gummy jones Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 4:35 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
to da east side..?? Huh

Back to the jungle. Grrr
victor809 Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 4:55 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
For the record, being outraged at certain newsworthy stories does not mean that you have to show equal outrage to everything.
I mean, we're not liberals here.
You seem outraged at our lack of outrage. Which is, unto itself, an outrageous outrage.


OUTRAGE!

Just stirring the pot Tail... just stirring the pot. :)
tonygraz Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 6:16 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
For the record, being outraged at certain newsworthy stories does not mean that you have to show equal outrage to everything.
I mean, we're not liberals here.
You seem outraged at our lack of outrage. Which is, unto itself, an outrageous outrage.


What ! You live in liberal land. You must be an outcast.
Gene363 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 6:18 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Snowden should have just done what he was told to also.
Heck, we should all become sheep and blindly do what the guberment tells us to do, regardless of our personal moral & religious beliefs..


Applause Applause Applause
jetblasted Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 7:56 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Heck, we should all become sheep and blindly do what the guberment tells us to do, regardless of our personal moral & religious beliefs..


Thank God we live in a free country . . .

USA !!!

USA !!!

USA !!!
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 7:58 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
What ! You live in liberal land. You must be an outcast.


Everywhere I go.
Everywhere I go.
frankj1 Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 7:58 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
What ! You live in liberal land. You must be an outcast.

Joe lives where I live. he's allowed to believe as he chooses. But he is not allowed to have a Rep in our Senate.

(insert some kinda smiley thing here)
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 10:24 PM EST
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Snowden should be in jail.
cacman Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 10:45 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Well.... if you're a government employee, it would kind of make sense to do what the government tells you to do.

In Snowden's case, that kind of defeats the point doesn't it?
If you worked for a guberment agency and the guberment agency tells you to jump of a bridge, are you going to do it?

Snowden should be in jail??? Isn't it ironic that some of the surveillance practices he exposed of the US guberment where ruled unconstitutional (illegal). But the whistle-blower himself is still considered a criminal, while the guberment isn't???
tailgater Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 10:52 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Joe lives where I live. he's allowed to believe as he chooses. But he is not allowed to have a Rep in our Senate.

(insert some kinda smiley thing here)


My voting precinct is actually quite conservative.
And during the Brown/Warren election only incumbent Scott Brown came to our Octoberfest.
Liz had a heap busy schedule that day.
frankj1 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:00 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
My voting precinct is actually quite conservative.
And during the Brown/Warren election only incumbent Scott Brown came to our Octoberfest.
Liz had a heap busy schedule that day.

I see what you did there, Injun Joe.

was at Old Silver today, woulda called ya but we went straight home.
victor809 Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:24 PM EST
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Cacman, in snowdens case he was exposing the illegal activities the government was doing (if I remember correctly, I could misremember). In this case it's the clerk refusing to follow the law. These are not equivalents.
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2015, 11:35 PM EST
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sounds right Victor.
cacman Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 5:04 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Cacman, in snowdens case he was exposing the illegal activities the government was doing (if I remember correctly, I could misremember). In this case it's the clerk refusing to follow the law. These are not equivalents.

Snowden refused to follow the LAW by not keeping quiet and breaking his confidentiality/security clearances. (Shame on you for not remembering!)

What's the difference? In its basic simplicity, both have broken the law and refused to blindly do what the guberment told them to do.

And you've failed to address why the guberment shouldn't be held just as accountable for them breaking your constitutional rights as Snowden and the county clerk are held to.
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 7:15 AM EST
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Snowmen should be in jail. There are whistle blowing mechanisms he could have followed. There were other mechanisms as well. Instead he is blowing Putin. If he's so right let it play out in court.

It's amazing to me some think they should get to pick and choose when it's treason.
DrafterX Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 7:25 AM EST
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not issuing a marriage license is treason..?? Huh
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#43 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 7:28 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Snowmen should be in jail. There are whistle blowing mechanisms he could have followed. There were other mechanisms as well. Instead he is blowing Putin. If he's so right let it play out in court.

It's amazing to me some think they should get to pick and choose when it's treason.




Others HAVE followed your prescribed " mechanisms " and to NO avail.


Now on that last part you wrote, is that Q for the Gubmint.....or Snowden???


And the Federal Government has NO Business getting involved in STATES business regarding Homosexual / Lesbian civil unions.
teedubbya Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 8:05 AM EST
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If that's an excuse to take things in to your own hands and ignore the law then I'm sure you are no longer bothered by illegal aliens.

Pick and choose when it comes to law rarely works. Treason is treason, illegal immigration is illegal immigration. Just because others tried the other path and it didn't turn out to their liking doesn't mean it's ok to break the law.

You are ok with him hanging out with Putin? He should be in jail. He can take pollards cell.
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 8:09 AM EST
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I heard they ride horses and stuff together... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 8:10 AM EST
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And yes illegal aliens are breaking the law and should be treated accordingly, just like snow den. Don't like the law? Change it. But until you do if you break it you should suffer the consequences.

And government officials like this clerk don't get to make the laws but they must follow it. You can't choose which you like and don't like. If that's what you want to do you must leave the position. I'll give snowmen that.

I wonder what Putin would do if snowden crosses him. Oh well there is no need. He's now someplace where the government is much more transparent than ours.
tonygraz Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 8:11 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
not issuing a marriage license is treason..?? Huh


No, it's your job and if you don't do it you should resign or be fired. In this case the legislature needs to impeach the clerks to fire them, and that's why nothing has been done yet.
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#48 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 8:13 AM EST
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ok... I heard it was treason... Mellow
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#49 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 8:35 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And yes illegal aliens are breaking the law and should be treated accordingly, just like snow den. Don't like the law? Change it. But until you do if you break it you should suffer the consequences.

And government officials like this clerk don't get to make the laws but they must follow it. You can't choose which you like and don't like. If that's what you want to do you must leave the position. I'll give snowmen that.

I wonder what Putin would do if snowden crosses him. Oh well there is no need. He's now someplace where the government is much more transparent than ours.

I know, right? He really traded up.
SmokeMonkey Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, Aug 28 2015, 9:32 AM EST
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It's so interesting to watch these threads morph.

Yes, she should be removed from her post for refusing to do her job.

Yes, Snowden should be held legally accountable.

Yes, the people in the government who put the processes in place should be held accountable. Those that contunued the practice after the precedent was already in place? I'm of two minds on that.
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