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DrMaddVibe Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 7:28 PM EST
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Supreme Court isn't backing her play.


Game over.


Fire her...fine her the difference and send her to jail!


Where the **** is a Judge Roy Bean when you need them?
victor809 Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 7:29 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Wrong.
It IS about offending some people.

Our government wasn't "sponsoring" a religion 30 years ago when a school sang a song with the word Christ in it.
And the women in question IS offended. And she is blaming religion. Which we all know is a crock, and she simply wants to hate.
But the battle cry of "being offended" is what makes this news. Otherwise she'd have been fired and none of us would have known unless our kids ate at the cafeteria where she'll find her next job.



Actually, if the school is funding/organizing a gathering in which songs are sung in a reverntial manner towards any deity, that IS the government sponsoring a religion.
I can't pretend to know what's in that woman's head, but when you are trying to get other people to obey your religion, the argument isn't about being offended... she's telling others (an entire county) that they are required to follow the rules of her personal religion... I'd call that what makes the news... but I suppose I could be wrong.
tailgater Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 7:38 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Actually, if the school is funding/organizing a gathering in which songs are sung in a reverntial manner towards any deity, that IS the government sponsoring a religion.
I can't pretend to know what's in that woman's head, but when you are trying to get other people to obey your religion, the argument isn't about being offended... she's telling others (an entire county) that they are required to follow the rules of her personal religion... I'd call that what makes the news... but I suppose I could be wrong.


Vic,
You may want to reconsider your "government sponsorship" comments.

A public school in a Christian community sings a song of grace.
It doesn't ask for subservience or to show up again on Sunday for review of the lyrics.

Sometimes a song is just a song.

And anyone who is offended by a community singing together is worthless and weak.

Under a precisely defined but altogether unlikely set of circumstances (That I'm sure you or someone will concoct) I'm sure you could try to poke holes in my honest statement.
But barring the ridiculous, I stand by that statement.

You don't like the song my town sings? Too bad Sally.
banderl Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 8:01 PM EST
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If you want your kids to sing religious songs, send them to a religious school.
My parents paid 9 1/2 years of tuition for Catholic school education for me.
I sent my two boys to Catholic school for 8 years.
If it's really that important to a parent that their kids learn Christian songs in school send them to private school.
Don't waste my tax dollars teaching them religious songs in a public school.
Gene363 Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 8:20 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I noted that you said it was time for her to do what she was told or quit. I was disagreeing with you on whether this consisted of "tacit approval".

Actually. Nevermind. I think I understand the argument you were making. I think my arguments were incorrect in their application here. I was not arguing the right point.

You're right. If she has a moral objection to the marriage which is so strong, she should quit.


Beer
DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 8:31 PM EST
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banderl wrote:

Don't waste my tax dollars teaching them religious songs in a public school.



I don't think it's all your tax money.. I'm perfectly fine with my tax dollars teaching children religious songs .. Mellow
banderl Offline
#107 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 8:37 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I don't think it's all your tax money.. I'm perfectly fine with my tax dollars teaching children religious songs .. Mellow



Wouldn't that be unconstitutional?
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 8:40 PM EST
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maybe if you bend it far enough... but it's the style of the times... Mellow
banderl Offline
#109 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 8:51 PM EST
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I'm 60 years old and went to Catholic schools, I don't remember my public school friends learning religious songs in school. Although they all wore onions on their belts.
teedubbya Offline
#110 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 8:53 PM EST
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We learned em and said prayers.

Since we get to chose where our individual tax money goes now I want mine to buy sharks with laser beam eyes.
gummy jones Offline
#111 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 8:57 PM EST
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is it freedom of or freedom from, i can never remember d'oh!
DrafterX Offline
#112 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 9:00 PM EST
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I doubt if they were ever singing Amazing Grace... the big uproar was over Christmas music I think... Mellow
jetblasted Offline
#113 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 9:09 PM EST
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Durka Durka bin salam ! !

Baka laka mohammad jihad ! !
tailgater Offline
#114 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 10:09 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
If you want your kids to sing religious songs, send them to a religious school.
My parents paid 9 1/2 years of tuition for Catholic school education for me.
I sent my two boys to Catholic school for 8 years.
If it's really that important to a parent that their kids learn Christian songs in school send them to private school.
Don't waste my tax dollars teaching them religious songs in a public school.




I'm not saying they should. Just that it's not the end of the world if they do.

It's that attitude that clouds the whole "freedom of religion" issue.

Waste of tax dollars? Like they're somehow better spent learning a nonsecular song? Is that your idea of fiscal responsibility?

When did Americans become such whining victims?
tailgater Offline
#115 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 10:11 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Durka Durka bin salam ! !

Baka laka mohammad jihad ! !


That's got quite a beat.
Or is it a bang?
tailgater Offline
#116 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 10:20 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
I'm 60 years old and went to Catholic schools, I don't remember my public school friends learning religious songs in school. Although they all wore onions on their belts.


Your friends in public school never sang God Bless America?
That infamously tax-wasting song that rocked the atheists and non-Christians to their knees?
Surely you must remember that?
frankj1 Offline
#117 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2015, 10:29 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Your friends in public school never sang God Bless America?
That infamously tax-wasting song that rocked the atheists and non-Christians to their knees?
Surely you must remember that?


Heck Joe, it was written by a Jew!
teedubbya Offline
#118 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 5:03 AM EST
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I never sang God bless America in church. But I'm not a Jew. Maybe they do.
DrafterX Offline
#119 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 7:27 AM EST
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I remember singing a song about Liza the Ho and her bucket... always wondered about that... Think
frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 7:39 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I never sang God bless America in church. But I'm not a Jew. Maybe they do.

that's silly. We don't even go to church.


a side note, God Bless America isn't a song about or praising God. No single religion is identified nor magnified.
America is the subject.
DrafterX Offline
#121 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 7:41 AM EST
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maybe the 'Onward Christian Soldiers' song was a bit over the top.. but it was a catchy tune... :-" :-"
banderl Offline
#122 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 8:13 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Your friends in public school never sang God Bless America?
That infamously tax-wasting song that rocked the atheists and non-Christians to their knees?
Surely you must remember that?




I have no problem with a generic god.
It's on our money, in the pledge.
The problem is when they want to use a specific god, Jesus, Allah, whatever.
tailgater Offline
#123 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 8:42 AM EST
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banderl wrote:
I have no problem with a generic god.
It's on our money, in the pledge.
The problem is when they want to use a specific god, Jesus, Allah, whatever.


All kidding aside, do you really have a problem with a simple song that mentions Jesus, or are your projecting in case someone else is offended, or if some rogue religion tries to force their own songs?
Honest question.
Because I can not for the life of me see how anyone could be offended by a song about peace that just happens to be from the predominant mainstream religion of that region.
banderl Offline
#124 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 9:20 AM EST
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I'm not offended by much of anything, but public school kids shouldn't be taught about Jesus, Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
If you want your kids to sing about Jesus, send them to a Christian school and quit being so cheap.
Or you could send them to Sunday school.
As far as the public schools, there are millions of songs that the kids can be taught that don't mention any specific deity.
DrafterX Offline
#125 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 9:28 AM EST
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I think many of those songs were trying to teach Patriotism... unfortunately someone got offended by that too... Mellow
banderl Offline
#126 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 10:38 AM EST
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I'm not an atheist.
I spent close to $100,000 on Catholic school education for my two boys.
I didn't expect to have someone else carry my water concerning my kid's religious education.
tailgater Offline
#127 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 11:56 AM EST
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banderl wrote:
I'm not an atheist.
I spent close to $100,000 on Catholic school education for my two boys.
I didn't expect to have someone else carry my water concerning my kid's religious education.


Didn't you get a tax credit for sending your kids to a private school?
If so, why you complaining about tax dollars going towards schools that allow songs with the word Jesus in them?
banderl Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 1:15 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Didn't you get a tax credit for sending your kids to a private school?
If so, why you complaining about tax dollars going towards schools that allow songs with the word Jesus in them?




There's no tax credit for that, tuition isn't deductible.
What country do you live in?
tailgater Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 2:01 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
There's no tax credit for that, tuition isn't deductible.
What country do you live in?


Not federal taxes.
A large portion of your town taxes go to the public schools (known by you as religious-indoctrination-through-song camps, but I digress).
Many municipalities will issue credits when you don't put your child into their school system. It's like school choice, only instead of your town paying another town, they pay you to place them elsewhere.
The same is true, I believe, for home schooling.

Your mileage may vary.
tailgater Offline
#130 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 2:10 PM EST
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Those credits might actually go directly to the private school?
I'm not sure. My kids go/went to public schools. Both town and charter.
banderl Offline
#131 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2015, 3:15 PM EST
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Illinois has no such program. Plus I still get to pay my full share of property taxes towards the public schools.
cacman Offline
#132 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 2:24 PM EST
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So who here is bailing her out of jail?
banderl Offline
#133 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 2:57 PM EST
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Did they toss her fat, ugly, adulterous ass in the slammer?
DrafterX Offline
#134 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 2:59 PM EST
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Obama will pardon her... Mellow
cacman Offline
#135 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:04 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Obama will pardon her... Mellow

Is she Mexican?
banderl Offline
#136 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:04 PM EST
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Maybe, she is a Democrat.

For Drafter.
victor809 Offline
#137 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:08 PM EST
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Yeah... her azz is going to jail.
http://gawker.com/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-jailed-for-refusing-to-issue-s-1728512107


And like whack-a-mole, once you take care of one, another pops up... now a judge in Tenn won't let people get divorced. Because if the federal gov't has to tell him what marriage is, he refuses to act on a divorce until he's told when it's ok to be divorced... or something along those lines.
http://gawker.com/dumbass-tennessee-judge-if-gays-can-get-married-no-on-1728447299
dstieger Offline
#138 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:10 PM EST
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Why wasn't she just fired?
DrafterX Offline
#139 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:16 PM EST
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Gubment job and stuff... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#140 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:16 PM EST
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First I cared enough to read anything on the subject and learned:

"Davis served as her mother's deputy in the clerk's office for 27 years before she was elected as a Democrat to succeed her mother in November. As an elected official, she can be removed only if the Legislature impeaches her, which is unlikely in a deeply conservative state."

That leads me to wonder why in the wide wide world are County Clerks elected officials???? Really?? What's the rationale there?
banderl Offline
#141 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:30 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Why wasn't she just fired?



An elected official can't be fired.
banderl Offline
#142 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:32 PM EST
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This is the best part of the whole mess:

She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second.
dstieger Offline
#143 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:44 PM EST
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We can only hope the twins are/will be gay
DrafterX Offline
#144 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 3:47 PM EST
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with each other..?? Huh


freaks.. Not talking
MACS Offline
#145 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 4:14 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I think she should give the license or be fired.
But I also think it's OK to sing a beautiful song that mentions Christ.

People need to get over themselves. There is no law stating that thou shalt not be offended.

Buncha whining pukes.



Amen, brother...
frankj1 Offline
#146 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 6:21 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
This is the best part of the whole mess:

She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second.


I love when adulterers give me lessons in morality.
gummy jones Offline
#147 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 7:40 PM EST
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so an official who has held a post for >2 decades has her job description abruptly changed at the whim of a handful of judges to something that is against her morals and she is should be in jail or resign for not upholding the law

a president orders his attorney general to ignore a law on the books known as the defense of marriage act and he is a hero. maybe the same president orders border agents and homeland security to ignore immigration laws and he is a freedom fighter.

a governor refuses to defend a law passed by the majority of voters in his state following proper legislative processes (prop 8) and he is a visionary

i guess it all depends on what set of morals you follow. champions of the liberal, statist morality seem to get a pass.


and for those saying she has no right to object to homosexual "marriage" because she has had multiple marriages herself, I'm very happy that our rights persist regardless of whether we are a "good" person or not
banderl Offline
#148 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 7:50 PM EST
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Her mother held the position before her. Sounds like her whole family has been sucking on the people's teet for too long.
Plus, she's a Democrat so she obviously sucks.
DCLover Offline
#149 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 8:29 PM EST
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Is "statist" the new fox news buzzword?
banderl Offline
#150 Posted: Thu, Sep 3 2015, 8:33 PM EST
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DCLover wrote:
Is "statist" the new fox news buzzword?



I believe so.
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