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Brewha Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 9:54 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Mine have been here like a million years or so.... Mellow



did you know the daddy long-legs spider has been around for like 200 million years and pre-dates the dinosaurs..?? Huh

And even though they were here first - for a time we made them illegals.
Your peeps I mean, not the spiders….
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 9:55 AM EST
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true... true.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 10:05 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard socialism means illegal aliens get to vote and stuff.

Is that how Cruz gets a vote?
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#54 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 10:09 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Illegal aliens can’t get welfare. But they do come for jobs . And undocumented workers pay taxes and social security – while not being eligible for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.

But at least we agree that we need the bridal on capitalism....


bridal on capitalism = crony capitalism

the list of people who have become uber rich with this formula includes the clintons and many other dems/repubs
teddyballgame Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 11:15 AM EST
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bridle on capitalism? There has been a massive bridle on capitalism. The government is involved in everything, telling light bulb companies what they can make, regulating coal factories to the point they have to shut down.
The problem as gummy jones stated is that it is crony capitalism.

The free market system hasn't had a chance to work in ages.
If you let the free market work, the market will dictate what it needs and is willing to pay, etc.
A man acting in his own self interest to make a profit by making a product or providing a service that the market needs is good for everyone.

Big statist government puts hurdles in front of people and businesses, call it socialism, communism, marxism, fascism, et all.
Capitalism is a Karl Marx term by the way (oh it is boys).

The massive problem with immigration now is that they are coming for the welfare they can get in this country.
It used to be that you came to Ellis Island, and there were interviews. You couldn't have a sickness you were bringing in, you had to have money to support yourself, or somebody vouch for you, you had to have skills and a job lined up.

It is not like it is now, where you are just getting free stuff. No country can have open borders and a welfare state and expect to continue.
Milton Freidman pointed this out in the 70s.
tailgater Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 11:36 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Illegal aliens can’t get welfare. But they do come for jobs . And undocumented workers pay taxes and social security – while not being eligible for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.

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Holy crap.
This is the most insanely naive post in the existence of the internets.

Illegals can't get welfare? That's like saying immigrants can't get into our country without a visa.

Undocumented workers pay taxes? Maybe half true. Remember, the employer can't hire an illegal, so most of this is done under the table.

Public benefits do indeed go to the illegals.
Why do you think the old women cross the border illegally? It isn't to pick lettuce and roof your house.

And throw that 5 year crap out the window.

Lazy Americans know how to work the system, and so do the illegal immigrants.
It's so common that it's almost the exception when they don't.
ZRX1200 Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 11:38 AM EST
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Pish posh.....ilegals don't eat the food with the ebt card their anchor babies qualified for.
ZRX1200 Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 11:39 AM EST
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Our ebt program here ADVERTISES.

wrap your brain round that nugget.
MACS Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 12:04 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Our ebt program here ADVERTISES.

wrap your brain round that nugget.


It's the liberals... their fishing for votes.
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 12:14 PM EST
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Z I never will understand that. Medicare advertises. WTF? some Medicaid programs do too.
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 1:09 PM EST
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When's the last time you saw an Armed Forces Recruitment commercial..?? Think Think
Brewha Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 1:10 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Holy crap.
This is the most insanely naive post in the existence of the internets.

Illegals can't get welfare? That's like saying immigrants can't get into our country without a visa.

Undocumented workers pay taxes? Maybe half true. Remember, the employer can't hire an illegal, so most of this is done under the table.

Public benefits do indeed go to the illegals.
Why do you think the old women cross the border illegally? It isn't to pick lettuce and roof your house.

And throw that 5 year crap out the window.

Lazy Americans know how to work the system, and so do the illegal immigrants.
It's so common that it's almost the exception when they don't.

Ok, so you didn't read post #55....

Illegals are not eligible for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. That does not mean that Illegals don't or can't steal. In fact lot of people steal lot of things. Top my list are banks that are "too big to fail" - and they steal real money - not piddling monthly benefits.

but at least acknowledge that business profit from the cheap labor of illegals. And that we some times have lower cost goods because of them.

Mad about welfare - look at how may Wal-Mart workers are on welfare because they can't get a working wage. Or even military families.
DCLover Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 4:40 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Illegal aliens can’t get welfare.

Sorry, but you are dead wrong here. All they need is a US born child. US citizens have limits on how long they can draw welfare benefits, 5 years total I believe. Illegals with US citizen children have no such limit. This may vary by state, but is NC policy. And our state govt is controlled by repubs. Wonder what the policy is in blue states?
Brewha Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 5:28 PM EST
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DCLover wrote:
Sorry, but you are dead wrong here. All they need is a US born child. US citizens have limits on how long they can draw welfare benefits, 5 years total I believe. Illegals with US citizen children have no such limit. This may vary by state, but is NC policy. And our state govt is controlled by repubs. Wonder what the policy is in blue states?

To your point, they could also use falsified documents to get welfare. But they are still not legally getting welfare.

True the leagal guardian of a US citizen can get their welfare to take care of them and is not required to be a citizen. I suppose they could keep the checks and put the baby in a dumpster.

Now you may disagree with citizenship being granted at birth. Maybe you see them as "anchor babys". But by current law, they are citizens.

You see DC, there are people that honestly think any illegal alien can make it across the boarder, apply for welfare, and get it along with a fist full of food stamps so they can buy beer and cigarettes. And that is not how the law works.
tonygraz Online
#65 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 5:35 PM EST
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All this carrying on about illegals, but the complainers and their representatives won't pass a bill on immigration. So who's at fault ?
teddyballgame Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 5:43 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
All this carrying on about illegals, but the complainers and their representatives won't pass a bill on immigration. So who's at fault ?


Big bloated federal government (which you embrace) and the representatives selling out to the crony chamber of commerce and other lobbying groups.
Not to mention the President who would Veto the whole thing anyway as it would cut into his executive amnesty orders.

..Hey, you asked
jnichols Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 6:27 PM EST
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Sorry but i am with Cacman! Threw up in my mouth about 5 times, and decided to change the channel!
DCLover Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 8:51 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You see DC, there are people that honestly think any illegal alien can make it across the boarder, apply for welfare, and get it along with a fist full of food stamps so they can buy beer and cigarettes.

No one we know would think that, would they?
The part that bothers me is a US born mom has limits on the duration of time they can draw benefits, but an illegal mom can draw as long as she has eligible children.

Back on the debate:
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/Izm8x
CNN touting Hillary victory while their own poll shows Sanders the overwhelming favorite. The media in this country is a joke.

While she speaks, she seems to look down almost constantly....as if she's avoiding any eye contact. I know it's a small thing, but made her look dishonest to me.
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 8:56 PM EST
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I don't think there's a limit for US born moms either... Think
DCLover Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 9:03 PM EST
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There is. My wife administered the program for 10 years.
Brewha Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 9:04 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
All this carrying on about illegals, but the complainers and their representatives won't pass a bill on immigration. So who's at fault ?

Oh that. Well the GOP has a plan. Lucrative guvmut contracts to a few special companies to build and staff a wall. Now the contracters hire the local undocumented workers to build the wall (extra profit for the firm), and taxpayers foot the endless bill to staff the wall. All to protect us from the 1/2 price labor that so many business depend on. Bet they get Halliburton in on it....
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 9:07 PM EST
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DCLover wrote:
There is. My wife administered the program for 10 years.



how does it work..?? is it per kid..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Oct 15 2015, 9:25 PM EST
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DCLover wrote:
No one we know would think that, would they?
The part that bothers me is a US born mom has limits on the duration of time they can draw benefits, but an illegal mom can draw as long as she has eligible children.

Back on the debate:
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/Izm8x
CNN touting Hillary victory while their own poll shows Sanders the overwhelming favorite. The media in this country is a joke.

While she speaks, she seems to look down almost constantly....as if she's avoiding any eye contact. I know it's a small thing, but made her look dishonest to me.

Oh, I don't particularly trust Clinton. And to me the whole thing seemed, well a bit staged. For what little it is worth, I think Sanders is spot on. But I don't see how he can get those kind of changes made. Can you imagine the private banking cartels that own the Fed, or the people that call the shots on Wall Street would allow laws and regulations to work against them?

i think the media is pointing us to Clinton......

I read a satire peice once that said that it is not the job of the president to wield power. It is their job to draw attention away from those who do.
I'm not so sure that's a joke.
tailgater Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 8:52 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Ok, so you didn't read post #55....

Illegals are not eligible for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. That does not mean that Illegals don't or can't steal. In fact lot of people steal lot of things. Top my list are banks that are "too big to fail" - and they steal real money - not piddling monthly benefits.

but at least acknowledge that business profit from the cheap labor of illegals. And that we some times have lower cost goods because of them.

Mad about welfare - look at how may Wal-Mart workers are on welfare because they can't get a working wage. Or even military families.


"That does not mean that illegals don't or can't steal..."

Actually, I'd say that since they're here illegally, by definition they DO steal.

And yes, I recognize that many businesses profit from illegals. I wish those business owners would be prosecuted more often. I have refused to hire contractors who hire illegals (one guy actually bragged about it, while describing how the workers fake documents covered his butt if he were investigated). The hiring of illegals is as much to blame for the influx as our social services are.

And I'm not mad about "welfare" as an entity.
Rather, I'm mad at the welfare cheats. I'm mad at the fraud.
The rules should require able bodies to work.
The local agencies shouldn't tell people how to maximize dollars (for instance, an ex employee "separated" from his live-in wife and daughter in order to keep her on welfare and get the "free" health care. He wasn't very bright, but was told how to do this by the local social services office).

Who ever said that stocking a shelf at Walmart would earn a living wage?
Don't work at Walmart and collect welfare.
Work at Walmart and flip burgers. Or else train for a skill. Don't expect Uncle Sam to make rules to save your lazy azz.
Brewha Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 9:54 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
"That does not mean that illegals don't or can't steal..."

Actually, I'd say that since they're here illegally, by definition they DO steal.

And yes, I recognize that many businesses profit from illegals. I wish those business owners would be prosecuted more often. I have refused to hire contractors who hire illegals (one guy actually bragged about it, while describing how the workers fake documents covered his butt if he were investigated). The hiring of illegals is as much to blame for the influx as our social services are.

And I'm not mad about "welfare" as an entity.
Rather, I'm mad at the welfare cheats. I'm mad at the fraud.
The rules should require able bodies to work.
The local agencies shouldn't tell people how to maximize dollars (for instance, an ex employee "separated" from his live-in wife and daughter in order to keep her on welfare and get the "free" health care. He wasn't very bright, but was told how to do this by the local social services office).

Who ever said that stocking a shelf at Walmart would earn a living wage?
Don't work at Walmart and collect welfare.
Work at Walmart and flip burgers. Or else train for a skill. Don't expect Uncle Sam to make rules to save your lazy azz.

I agree with your sentiment on welfare – People stealing from the system bothers me too. Cheats steal from the benevolence of others – pretty low.

As far as Wal-Mart goes – I think we will disagree. Here’s my opinion:
Large companies that have full time workers should be required to pay them a living wage, even if it means slightly higher prices to their customers. Because when they don’t, their employees wind up on welfare with the taxpayers subsidizing them, and their company. So yes, I think we should have a minimum wage because I don’t like paying welfare to the working - or subsidizing Wal-mart.
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 10:08 AM EST
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Then companies will only hire part time help.

Legislating pay scales based on need rather than worth is too complex.
Should a single mom of 8 make more than a married man with no kids? For the same job?
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#77 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 11:14 AM EST
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You can't pick and choose which companies, large or small, pay "$X" to their employees and be a free society.

What is your definition of a "living wage?" $15/ hour?

Why not $25/hr? Why not $50.

Who decides this?

How much is flipping hamburgers worth, even if you do it at McDs? You raise the min wage again and again.. McD's figures out how to automate flipping burgers and BAM There goes the entry level jobs for people with no skills, teenagers and poorer people get HAMMERED.

Do you think that if we didn't have a min wage, that people are so dense that they could not figure out that they should not take a job that pays $1/hr?? The business would HAVE to raise their salaries to attract people of better quality. This happens in expensive cities throughout the nation. A business figures out they can't get good applicants unless they offer higher than what the min wage is anyway.

Min wage hikes hurt the poor and low skilled workers and most of these min wage jobs are held by people getting their first jobs.

We are talking less than 5% of the 16 and over workforce here, when we talk min wage.

This is what should be taught, you get a min wage job when you are starting out and then you strive to work your way up and THEN you consider having a family.
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#78 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 11:45 AM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:


This is what should be taught, you get a min wage job when you are starting out and then you strive to work your way up and THEN you consider having a family.



Racist...
Brewha Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 12:49 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Then companies will only hire part time help.

Legislating pay scales based on need rather than worth is too complex.
Should a single mom of 8 make more than a married man with no kids? For the same job?

Well, I told you we would likely disagree….

But I am not suggesting we legislate pay scales based on need rather than worth. I am suggesting that fulltime employment (40 hrs) have a wage that is sufficient to live on – without guvmut aid.
You are right about the part-time trick. Companies do that now to weasel out of benefits. And it is another reason that a minimal hourly wage is needed.

And yes, I would agree that small firms should have special roles to foster startups and mom & pop shops.
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#80 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 1:28 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
You can't pick and choose which companies, large or small, pay "$X" to their employees and be a free society.

What is your definition of a "living wage?" $15/ hour?

Why not $25/hr? Why not $50.

Who decides this?

How much is flipping hamburgers worth, even if you do it at McDs? You raise the min wage again and again.. McD's figures out how to automate flipping burgers and BAM There goes the entry level jobs for people with no skills, teenagers and poorer people get HAMMERED.

Do you think that if we didn't have a min wage, that people are so dense that they could not figure out that they should not take a job that pays $1/hr?? The business would HAVE to raise their salaries to attract people of better quality. This happens in expensive cities throughout the nation. A business figures out they can't get good applicants unless they offer higher than what the min wage is anyway.

Min wage hikes hurt the poor and low skilled workers and most of these min wage jobs are held by people getting their first jobs.

We are talking less than 5% of the 16 and over workforce here, when we talk min wage.

This is what should be taught, you get a min wage job when you are starting out and then you strive to work your way up and THEN you consider having a family.



Aren’t you the guy who thought Reaganomics was the answer?
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#81 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 1:34 PM EST
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Reaganomics IS the answer.

Free market capitalism IS the answer.

Trickle down economics works.

Unlike Obama, the black work force increased their standard of living under Reagan- immensely.

So, yeah.. I am that guy.
Brewha Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 1:38 PM EST
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LOL



Reaganomics is like giving one dog a wiener and expecting him to share….
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#83 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 1:51 PM EST
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Mellow
Brewha Offline
#84 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 1:57 PM EST
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Anxious
DrafterX Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 1:59 PM EST
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we had a black lab in our neighborhood that used to bring my puppy-dog bones and stuff.... he was a good dog.. RIP Jake.. Pray
Brewha Offline
#86 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 2:12 PM EST
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Sounds like a really nice dog there drafter.

He was prolly a liberal.....
DrafterX Offline
#87 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 2:16 PM EST
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he ate a lotta dirt and dead fish and stuff.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#88 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 2:21 PM EST
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Hmmmm - he could be more conservative than I thought....

And he tried to give you puppy-dog a bone...
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#89 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 2:23 PM EST
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Only dog I ever seen dig a hole just to eat the dirt... he was a good boy tho... Sad
Brewha Offline
#90 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 2:24 PM EST
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Poor Jake.....
DrafterX Offline
#91 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 2:25 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:


And he tried to give you puppy-dog a bone...




he brought her bones all the time... he even brought her a deer head once... freaked my wife out a little tho... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#92 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 3:17 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Well, I told you we would likely disagree….

But I am not suggesting we legislate pay scales based on need rather than worth. I am suggesting that fulltime employment (40 hrs) have a wage that is sufficient to live on – without guvmut aid.
You are right about the part-time trick. Companies do that now to weasel out of benefits. And it is another reason that a minimal hourly wage is needed.

And yes, I would agree that small firms should have special roles to foster startups and mom & pop shops.


Sufficient to live on.

In Oshkosh Wisconsin? Or in NYC?

Either way, why should company X pay an unreasonably high wage for unskilled labor?
Why should the government tell them what a shelf-stocker should be paid?
teddyballgame Offline
#93 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 3:55 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
LOL



Reaganomics is like giving one dog a wiener and expecting him to share….


First off, keep your wiener in your pants, congressman.

Secondly, your simile is weak.

Like trying to explain to a democrat that the absolute merit of a program is not how it makes him feel, but if the program works or not.
Kawak Offline
#94 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 4:03 PM EST
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After each liberal santa spoke one could only conclude,

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
MACS Offline
#95 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 4:42 PM EST
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Billy Madison reference... nice!
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#96 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 5:11 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
how does it work..?? is it per kid..?? Huh

First off, cash assistance is not called welfare anymore. It's called Work First. This name is state specific afaik, but the program's rules are federal. A mother may only draw benefits for 5 years or thereabouts. Benefits are dependent on # of children but duration is not. The time limit goes out the window if you are a guardian (say a grandmother) or an illegal. Other programs have no such time limits (housing, food stamps, medicaid, etc...ad infinitum).
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#97 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 5:28 PM EST
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wJust watched the Dem Debate..

Booooring.

No big topics discussed, why don't they just hand it to Hillary as nobody will go agin' her.

Man, that was a very WHITE stage.

...well, it is the party of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow laws, so par for the course

(that Obama is probably playing on- what is that 300 rounds now?)
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#98 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 5:56 PM EST
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Almost as much as Ike and W, but not quite.
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#99 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 6:30 PM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
wJust watched the Dem Debate..

Man, that was a very WHITE stage.

...well, it is the party of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow laws, so par for the course



That must be why the south always votes democrat.d'oh!
Brewha Offline
#100 Posted: Fri, Oct 16 2015, 6:49 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Sufficient to live on.

In Oshkosh Wisconsin? Or in NYC?

Either way, why should company X pay an unreasonably high wage for unskilled labor?
Why should the government tell them what a shelf-stocker should be paid?

We the people passed the Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938. FLSA was a comprehensive federal scheme which provided for minimum wages, overtime pay, record keeping requirements, and child labor regulations. The purpose of the minimum wage was to stabilize the economy and protect the workers in the labor force. The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees. Others have argued that the primary purpose was to aid the lowest paid of the nation's working to protect them from predatory business practices.

In short, history shows that laws are needed to protect labor.

Now, the devil is in the details. And perhaps the minimum standard of living should be adjusted regionally. But the need remains.
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