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Hillary's probing Shifts into Fourth...
teedubbya Offline
#1201 Posted:
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I sure hope there is something solid found by the FBI or this will be an ugly part of history.
gummy jones Offline
#1202 Posted:
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this is already an ugly part of history
opelmanta1900 Offline
#1203 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
The American people should have been notified and have a right to know BEFORE the election. What ever law there is that prevents info from being released to the public before an election is simply wrong, and probably written by a Democrat.

my understanding is, it isn't a law but some kinda "longstanding agreement" or "understanding" or something... seems like eric holder and others have no problem talking about this once secret agreement between by the doj and fbi to keep americans in the dark when it comes to criminal actions of presedential nominees... I don't care which side of the aisle you're on, that should piss you the **** off...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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play that scenario out the other way... fbi keeps quiet about it until after hilldog is elected, then comes out and says hey we found 650,000 more emails right before the election but we didn't want to say anything in case it convinced people not to vote for her...
gummy jones Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
play that scenario out the other way... fbi keeps quiet about it until after hilldog is elected, then comes out and says hey we found 650,000 more emails right before the election but we didn't want to say anything in case it convinced people not to vote for her...


play it the other way even further

we never find out because the oligarchy deems it inconsequential for the purposes of the ruled class and our gov moves further towards lawlessness...

i assure you that in that situation very very few people actually "win" and it isnt us
DrafterX Offline
#1206 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I sure hope there is something solid found by the FBI or this will be an ugly part of history.



even if there's nothing substantial in those emails, the fact that even exist is or should be damning enough... she swore she turned everything over... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#1207 Posted:
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...how is she supposed to know what's on devices outside her control? You realize that most of this is probably duplicate emails of what's already been turned over... maybe they'll find something hillary thought she'd deleted... but most of it is probably just duplicate.

This means very little so far.. the most interesting part is that if it is emails outside her control they may not have been purged.
mikey1597 Offline
#1208 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
...how is she supposed to know what's on devices outside her control? You realize that most of this is probably duplicate emails of what's already been turned over... maybe they'll find something hillary thought she'd deleted... but most of it is probably just duplicate.

This means very little so far.. the most interesting part is that if it is emails outside her control they may not have been purged.



You think the investigation would have been re-opened if there was only speculation?
mikey1597 Offline
#1209 Posted:
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TRUMP 2016!!
jjanecka Offline
#1210 Posted:
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MAKE AMERICA 'MERICA AGAIN!!!
SmokeMonkey Offline
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I'm not sure they did a good job of handling any information, classified or other, if it's ending up on computers they're not aware of. Now, I'm aware you can't control what happens after you hit send, but if your top aide can't keep it straight....

Plus, Weiner. Which just cracks me up, because I'm like 12 and stuff.
victor809 Offline
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Mikey... the presence of emails opens the investigation to find out what's on it. You got ahead of yourself.

An investigation is to look to see if there is anything bad, not to prosecute bad things you have already found. Although this is starting to explain why people are having a fit about her being investigated.
victor809 Offline
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Monkey.... I'd green with you. But I know if someone erected investigating my emails I'd have copies of emails on 3 or 4 different devices, and that's just mine. The sender or receiver may have another 2-3... if I forward something that will increase the number again. Electronic information gets a bit out of control...
DrafterX Offline
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the told the FBI she turned them all over.. she told Congress she turned them all over... unless lying to the FBI & Congress is no longer a crime she should be worried.... it doesn't matter what the emails contain.. altho I am interested in finding out.. Mellow
mikey1597 Offline
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Ya but this is not your normal situation. If there was not a strong indication theres something there it wouldn't have been opened again..............

I had a top secret clearance during my time in the Air Force and dealt with secure communications and conduct like Hilldogs would have landed me in Ft Leavenworth in a heartbeat!
victor809 Offline
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Drafter... you really aren't grasping the concept that these may be the same emails already released...

Let's say you are being investigated for impregnating TW. In the process of the investigation they go through all the emails on your private server. Including the emails you and Mikey sent each other about how sexy i am. Months later, a different etc of authorities are investigating Mikey's wife on an unrelated matter . They find a pile of emails with your name on them. ... so they tell the first group "hey, you interested not these "?

Now, you and I know that these are just the emails you and Mikey send back and forth saying I'm dreamy. These are emails they have already seen from your server. But until they investigate all of them, they have no way of saying either way.

Look, I'm not saying there isn't anything there. But the investigation reopening to look at emails on another person's account is likely going to mainly because the same emails they saw before. They're doing due diligence, in case there is something Clinton managed to erase off her server which remained in her assistant's in box, and which happens to be something more valuable than the two of them gossiping about how sexy I am.
DrafterX Offline
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I am grasping that just fine... you're grasping at straws. .. if they were the same Comey prolly wouldn't have gone to congress with this.. but let's say they are just for fun... some were indeed classfied... why are they on weiners laptop. .?? Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#1218 Posted:
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I'm gonna delete all them emails Mikey and X forwarded to me right now.
I don't need any more problems.
victor809 Offline
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Drafter... Comey doesn't know they are the same or not until he investigates. When you're looking at thousands of emails you don't just say "hey these are the same as what I already saw" the same day you hear about it. ... it simply isn't humanly possible.

As to how they ended up on weiners computer... not sure there. Could be that she occasionally borrowed his computer to check her email and they got saved in a cache. Also could be he took a copy of her emails for an unknown future illegal purpose. Or she could have saved them to his computer for an unknown future illegal purpose. None of that has much to do with clinton.
frankj1 Offline
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yes, the reopening of the investigation at this point means a new source of emails has been discovered and they want to look (investigate) at them...it does not mean that they have already looked at them and found bad things, or good things.

That is why they want to investigate.

At this point, it makes sense that they have already been read elsewhere, but they must be checked.

Does this help clarify?
DrafterX Offline
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Comey was confronted with info by agents taking down the Weiner.. what ever the info is it's not speculation.. he knew he'd make enemies and he did... he wouldn't do that without something substantial. . Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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They can and prolly already have sorted out any duplicates. . It's over my head but programs can be created quick enough to flag or sort them out... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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The info is that there are emails with Clinton's name on them.

The agents investigating weiner wouldn't know any more info as to whether they are new emails or contain sensitive information or anything like that.
victor809 Offline
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You do realize that comey couldn't do any of that until he reopened the investigation and then got a warrant to pull that info, right?
frankj1 Offline
#1225 Posted:
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both of you should go to neutral corners
SmokeMonkey Offline
#1226 Posted:
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I just want to write wiener again. I'm started to feel like TW.
teedubbya Offline
#1227 Posted:
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We all evolve. I'm starting to feel my weiner.
mikey1597 Offline
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SmokeMonkey Offline
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Lol
DrafterX Offline
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victor809 wrote:
You do realize that comey couldn't do any of that until he reopened the investigation and then got a warrant to pull that info, right?



Yes, he did that before he went to Congress... the sheer number of emails should be telling.. 650,000 is over twice the number Hillary turned over and said this is it... Mellow


Against Lynch's approval I might add... she wanted him to bury it... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
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Found this.. Good info... Mellow


1.) Did FBI Director James Comey violate the “Hatch Act”, which prohibits federal employees from using their position to influence an election?

No, not even close. By leveling the accusation, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., demonstrates he is not an authority on the law. There is no evidence Comey was deliberately attempting to influence the election. His disclosure may have had that effect. But his intent is what’s relevant and essential. It appears Comey felt he had a legal duty to notify Congress that his earlier sworn testimony stating that the Clinton investigation was closed was no longer true. If he did not intend to influence the election, then there is no violation of law.

Comey was facing a Hobson’s choice. If he withheld the new information until after the election, he would be accused of protecting Clinton and violating the Hatch Act. By disclosing the information before the election, he stands accused of hurting Clinton and violating the Hatch Act. So, forget all that. As long as Comey’s intent was honesty and not partisanship, then he did not violate the law. It is important to note that the Hatch Act is not a criminal statute. Jail is not a penalty.

2.) Did the FBI need to get a warrant to examine these emails found on Anthony Weiner’s devices?

Not initially, but later, yes. When the disgraced former congressman was caught texting an underage girl, the FBI launched an investigation into whether he committed various crimes under both state and federal law. Agents issued a subpoena to seize Weiner’s various electronic devices. That is when the questionable emails relating to the separate Clinton investigation were discovered. At that point, the agents were wise to seek a search warrant based on “probable cause” that the new emails might constitute evidence of a crime. It was easy to get a judge to sign off on the warrant. It’s like police discovering bags of white powder in the backseat of a car stopped for speeding. They can seize the bags, but they should get a warrant to examine and test the contents.

3.) Can this be resolved before election day?

It seems impossible. The FBI needs to examine tens of thousands of emails. The Wall Street Journal reports there are around 650,000 emails, so this will be a Herculean task. It will take a long time for the feds to determine what documents were classified, whether they passed through Clinton’s server, and whether Clinton herself sent or received them. A government source confirms that the metadata on the Weiner devices turned up positive hits for Hillary Clinton emails. But it could take months to analyze all of them and determine if any laws were broken.

4.) If newly discovered classified emails are connected to Clinton, is that a crime?

Not necessarily. Even if the new emails show that classified documents were sent or received by Clinton from her private server (an unauthorized place), there is still the legal standard of intent and/or gross negligence that must be met by prosecutors --and we remember how that worked out last July 5 when Comey held his infamous news briefing and recommended no prosecution. He might reach the same conclusion all over again. Or, he might reverse himself. Much will depend on the content of this newly discovered evidence. But Comey must have seen something in the evidence that alarmed him enough to re-open the investigation.

5.) Could Clinton pardon herself if she becomes president?

She most certainly can. The power of pardon is without limitation. A president can pardon any person, including the president. Richard Nixon contemplated pardoning himself. In the end, he did not. His successor, Gerald Ford, did it for him. But it was immensely unpopular and contributed to Ford losing the 1976 election to Jimmy Carter. It would be even worse, if a president pardoned him or herself. So, if Clinton were to issue her own pardon, she would be poisoning herself politically. It is the equivalent of admitting guilt, but evading the consequences. The public outrage would be deafening.

6.) What would happen if Clinton is indicted after being sworn in as president?

This is where it gets dicey. Presidents have broad constitutional immunity against prosecution for ordinary crimes. The Framers wrote about it in The Federalist Papers. Law students are taught in their classes on constitutional law that a president could murder someone in the Oval Office and not be prosecuted, at least until the term of office expires. But it is unclear whether that same immunity applies to acts committed before taking office. The Founders wanted a president to be free of prosecutorial threats over actions taken in the course and scope of a commander in chief’s duties. They did not contemplate potential criminal acts of a candidate prior to an election or inauguration. So, the issue of immunity is unclear.

7.) Could Clinton step aside temporarily to face prosecution upon indictment?

She could do so by invoking the 25th Amendment if she decides she is “unable to discharge the powers of the presidency” due to public anger surrounding an indictment. Clinton could notify Congress in writing that she is temporarily stepping aside and submit herself voluntarily for trial. If she is acquitted, she could notify Congress that she is able to discharge her duties to as president and reassume the position. This, however, is the most unlikely of scenarios.

8.) Could Clinton be prosecuted after she leaves office?

Probably, but expect a legal challenge. Here’s why: if Clinton is indicted after being sworn in and thereafter invokes constitutional immunity, she could be prosecuted after leaving office only if the statute of limitations have not expired. Thus, it depends on how long she serves and the nature of the charges. Some statutes could lapse during her presidency, especially if it runs more than one term. However, prosecutors might argue the statutes are “tolled,” or suspended, due to “legal impossibility,” thus allowing prosecution of Clinton.

9.) Could Clinton be impeached over this?

Historically, no. Presidents can only be impeached for actions committed during their presidency. Alleged crimes committed before a president takes office were never considered impeachable offenses. At least that was the conclusion of Congress dating back to the latter half of the 19th century.

But an examination of Article II, section 4 of the Constitution reveals no defining limitation. Other than precedent, there is nothing to prevent a new and different Congress from taking a completely different view. As Gerald Ford famously said, “An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.” So the question is an interesting one… and the answer is debatable.

There is one obvious caveat: If Clinton were to do something as president which constitutes new alleged crimes, such as obstructing an investigation or lying about what she did, then she could be impeached.

10.) Will congressional investigations of Clinton continue after she takes office, assuming she wins election?

If Republicans retain control of the House of Representatives, various chairmen are vowing to pursue multiple investigations of Clinton. They include potential perjury, obstruction of justice, bribery, fraud, “pay-to-play” corruption, and illegal use of a non-profit (her foundation). Clinton could end up mired in scandal from the outset of her presidency in the same way that Nixon was disabled by Watergate. He squandered the trust and good will of the American people, and lost the ability to work with Congress to pass any meaningful legislation for the benefit of the American people. Clinton could suffer a similar fate.
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Your own cut and paste says they need to investigate to determine if a crime has been committed.
DrafterX Offline
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Ya, I learned some stuff from it... but also confirmed some stuff.... next time I'll modify it to try to solidify my opinion better tho... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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I'd expect nothing less...
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Laugh
gummy jones Offline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR3ih75Fzq0

when a black female supports trump peoples heads explode. when they explain he is "mean" and she still doesnt care they literally go brain dead.
DrafterX Offline
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I like her.... ThumpUp
DrMaddVibe Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Your own cut and paste says they need to investigate to determine if a crime has been committed.



Um...Huma does NOT have a security clearance.

Just sayin'!
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considering there are 650,000 emails on that laptop should be another big red flag... Hillary turned over less than half that number... are we gonna see stuff that Hillary thought was deleted..?? Prolly more classified for sure... Think
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DrafterX wrote:
considering there are 650,000 emails on that laptop should be another big red flag... Hillary turned over less than half that number... are we gonna see stuff that Hillary thought was deleted..?? Prolly more classified for sure... Think


I heard they're running the hard drive searching key words and seeking for duplicates. Now, there's news coming out that the Chi Coms had access to her server through a 2nd company that was in charge of backing up the drives.

ANYTHING that's either marked or not but is "CLASSIFIED" is a BIG red flag.

Yet, she and the media STILL blame Trump and Putin for this. They didn't set the server up in her basement. They didn't create an email address to operate outside the FOIA. They didn't lie to Congress. SHE DID! She's going to have to own her own behavior sooner or later.


http://nypost.com/2016/10/29/hillary-only-has-herself-to-blame-for-the-mess-shes-in/

horse
teedubbya Offline
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What we know is of the 650,000 emails on the computer is 1 or more may have gone through the Clinton server. That's it.
DrafterX Offline
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How many times have we seen CEOs or Leaders in almost any branch of govt take the fall for their subordinates when they screwd up... somethin about being held accountable on your watch.. If in fact Abbydeen allowed these emails to fall into her husbands hands (which is highly unlikely he took them) shouldn't Hillary take the fall..?? they are her classified emails out loose on da streets and stuff right..?? How many Chiefs of Police and Mayors have stepped down recently..?? Think
teedubbya Offline
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And of the 650,000 emails we know at least 1 came through the Clinton server and of that 1 or more there is absolutely zero indication that any are classified at this time.
DrafterX Offline
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it's early.... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
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I hear Drafter asked the FBI for copies of the Weiner emails.
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tonygraz wrote:
I hear Drafter asked the FBI for copies of the Weiner emails.


I heard it was the other way around.



DrafterX Offline
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New day.. more new scandals.... d'oh!

How could she possibly do any Presidenting with all this hanging over her..?? Mellow
gummy jones Offline
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b'cause i heard trumps mean and stuff
he really hates all women, blacks, mexicans and chinese people
DrafterX Offline
#1249 Posted:
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I bet Hillary's hating a bunch of peoples right now... Mellow
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#1250 Posted:
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maybe she should play the woman card a little harder now... Mellow
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