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victor809 Offline
#101 Posted:
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....McCain was electable, until he started campaigning to get the far right...and added caribou barbie to his card.

I think it's funny you think, in a country with a close split on dem/reps population, one that goes back and forth constantly, that the way to win is to choose a candidate that appeals to the far right.... It's like you don't get democracy.

I think it's sad that these days the candidates aren't trying to run on issues which appeal to the majority, they are trying to yell about issues which will motivate the small percentage of the population which constitutes their "base" to vote.... This way we will never get a candidate who represents the people, but rather one who represents the small group most agitated. I suppose we brought it upon ourselves.

If you think trying to appeal to the fringes of either party is a good idea, you aren't trying to lead a country, you're trying to control it with a minority... About the only rep who hasn't been trying to get the fringe whackos riled up is Paul and kasich, both who seem like responsible candidates. Maybe Christie.... And Sanders and Hillary haven't been much better. But the loony fringe left is a little more palatable than the loony fringe right, because they aren't trying to tell you what to do in your bedroom. To think pushing far right is the solution is just silly at best, at worst it's an attempt at trying to wrest control from the majority to achieve the whim of the minority...
teddyballgame Offline
#102 Posted:
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This is the exact rhetoric they used to spew against Reagan. How a conservative would never get elected and the country had gone more left.

Kasich and Cristie both expanded their states medicaide roles through Obamacare and it will come back to overburden their states in a few years..but then those fools are long gone.

How did Reagan appeal to non republicans? He had millions cross from the democrat side and further more independents vote for him as well. Conservatism isn't far right wing. How is wanting to adhere to the Constitution far right wing?

The looney fringe left is moving further and further away from the constraints the Constitution puts on federal government.. and you think that is more desirable?

You are sad victor.
tonygraz Offline
#103 Posted:
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Did you forget Goldwater ?
teedubbya Offline
#104 Posted:
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Reagan was actually pretty moderate on a lot of things. He believed in expanding the tent rather than contracting it. He also believed compromise was possible without giving up his conservative values. No compromise only works in Rush's world which is entertainment not electability or governance. As a Reagan republican I can honestly say your view of him is very different than mine. He wasn't a no compromising demagogue but was a pragmatist with core values. Something you seem to find impossible and you are a reflection of many in the party. I know you don't believe it but if his ghost ran today in another body with another name he could never win the nomination. He wouldn't pass the right litmus tests. Then folks say he would be considered a rino they are not talking about going backwards and labeling him. They are talking about if he ran now. Teddy you wouldn't vote for him.
teedubbya Offline
#105 Posted:
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Someone willing to reach accross the aisle and give in on some things to get more than they give up is non viable at this point. Right now giving in on anything is sacrilidge. Reagan gave in on a lot of things to get a lot more. that is in no way acceptable now. Some want this but it's dysfunctional and damaging.
teedubbya Offline
#106 Posted:
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Someone like Palin uses Reagans name in vain. It's a fake praise because he is revered. Use his name but misattribute who he was or what he did. It works. There is proof in here.
victor809 Offline
#107 Posted:
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Teddy... You think I'm sad because I don't want to go to either fringe? Or because I don't like a politician telling me what I can or cannot do with my d!ck?

You're part of the problem, with your whining about RINOs and forcing the candidates to play in a far religious right, govt in your bedroom game, or fall out and never make it through the primaries. You're the one who forces me to choose between my pocketbook and my d!ck at election day, and I'll always vote for my d!ck.
victor809 Offline
#108 Posted:
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But tw! Republicans comprised the entire last 7 years! Don't you remember all the bipartisan bills and the government never shutting down ever!
teedubbya Offline
#109 Posted:
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The funny part is Cruz is nothing like Reagan. It's an insult to Reagans name to say so. Any true Reagan fan knows that and it's the abuse of his brand rather than anything based on reality. No current candidate is remotely close to him. The funny part is the very folks teddy disparages are close to Reagan than the ones he holds up. It's like bizzarro world.

McCain (also no Reagan) would have been better than Obammy. He chose Palin out of desperation to pacify the extremists and it failed. Palin is an entertainer who had a brief stint as a partial term governor. Keep track of who thought she was a darling of the party and you will find the folks largely responsible for national losses. She and those like her are not the winning solution.
teedubbya Offline
#110 Posted:
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Reagan governed.
DrafterX Offline
#111 Posted:
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ya, but Palin was hot.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#112 Posted:
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True. True.

While Reagan was the anti establishment candidate in his party to an extent it was not the main or only thing that distinguished him like the 1 dimensional Cruz etc. Reagen was much more complex and had already shown his ability to compromise while governing. Funny thing compromise..... If you are good at it you tend to win your way more than you lose. If your not good at it you tend to reject ever compromising and always lose but can blame the other side. Reagan could horse trade and win. Cruz simply obstructs and Bolivians then blames. Cruz is nothing like Reagan.
teedubbya Offline
#113 Posted:
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Bolivians = bloviates just like Brazilian is a huge number.
DrafterX Offline
#114 Posted:
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Damn Bolivians..!! Mad
frankj1 Offline
#115 Posted:
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my work is done here.
DrafterX Offline
#116 Posted:
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A cowboy's work is never done.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted:
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Right wing does not equal conservative and vice versa.
Speyside Offline
#118 Posted:
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Seems to me far right wing does equal bat sh.t crazy.
banderl Offline
#119 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Seems to me far right wing does equal bat sh.t crazy.



Judging by the way that they're pandered to, that must be their base.
ZRX1200 Offline
#120 Posted:
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Commie.

Victor, tell me where the compromise is on both sides?
teddyballgame Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I know you don't believe it but if his ghost ran today in another body with another name he could never win the nomination. He wouldn't pass the right litmus tests. Then folks say he would be considered a rino they are not talking about going backwards and labeling him. They are talking about if he ran now. Teddy you wouldn't vote for him.




One of the silliest quotes I have seen here. Reagan would mop up and I would campaign and vote for him every day of the week.

He wouldn't win as a Governor in CA however, because that state is so far gone now.

Bizzaro world is holding up Christie or Kasich as "Reaganesque" when those two are about the furthest from him. You need to go back to school. Cruz is the closest thing we have to a Reagan in this go round and it is sad you don't see it.

teedubbya wrote:
McCain (also no Reagan) would have been better than Obammy. He chose Palin out of desperation to pacify the extremists and it failed. Palin is an entertainer who had a brief stint as a partial term governor. Keep track of who thought she was a darling of the party and you will find the folks largely responsible for national losses. She and those like her are not the winning solution.


responsible for national losses? Did you not see the landslides in favor of republicans? And this was not because of the Rove candidates (read establishment republicans). Many many of these candidates ran as conservatives and won. So I don't get your "national losses" argument, when the opposite is true.

Reagan would not horse trade with a socialistic minded party like the democrats are now. He would explain his case and again force the democrats to move right. I have never said ''no compromise ever." But if compromising, means always the republicans moving further left, then hell yeah, I am for no compromise ever in a situation like that. Why go further left toward socialism?
We are not Europe.
teddyballgame Offline
#122 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
But tw! Republicans comprised the entire last 7 years! Don't you remember all the bipartisan bills and the government never shutting down ever!



The president shuts down the government, not the congress- THE PRESIDENT- the government cannot be shut down by congress.

Obama is responsible for the government shut down. As he was THE PRESIDENT.. got that?

BTW, Carter shut down the government 5 times.

Reagan 8 times.

and when the government shuts down, is anyone really affected? Non essential government does not shut down and 83% of government was considered essential and was still NOT SHUT DOWN in the last shut down.

The government shuts down every weekend and on national holidays and how on earth do we "peons" cope with life?

"Oh mercy help me lordy! I can't function without big brother telling me what to do! Where are my pants? Who is going to tell me what to eat? A lightbulb in my home is out.. which type is government telling me to use? Why oh why can't I function?"

We all rejoice when the DMV and the Post office again reopens, so we can breathe a sigh of relief that all is right with the world.
DrafterX Offline
#123 Posted:
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Carter or Obama never got shot either... Not talking
banderl Offline
#124 Posted:
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Pretty sure that O'Reilly said that raygun was already senile by the time that he was shot.
Nancy took care of things after that.
Speyside Offline
#125 Posted:
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Good astrologists are hard to find these days.
tonygraz Offline
#126 Posted:
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T-ball needs a better astrologist and maybe a psychiatrist too.
teedubbya Offline
#127 Posted:
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Where did I say anything about Christie or Kasaich? Argue with yourself much?

Reagan did horse trade. Period. And he won. He was good at it. Saying he wouldn't now is convenient but it would mean him being totally different than he was which is sort of the point. Reagan dealt with the other side, negotiated and normally won. It's part of what made him great. He engaged and buried them with ideas and ambition. He didn't just bury his head and say no. He didn't capitulate and had his line, but Cruz isn't worthy of washing his taint. Cruz is a flash in the pan one dimensional lightweight. An asterisk. To compare him to Reagan is an insult to Reagan. Simply being a no guy is easy. Reagan did not take the easy path. The only thing in common is they are/were not the preferred establishment guy. But neither is Elmer Fudd.

Reagan was multidemsional and not simply against things. He was actually quite positive rather than negative. As a small minion it was quite fun to work for his campaign. I'm not sure what I could learn about him in school that I didn't learn from experience during the campaigns in Iowa but I'm willing to try. I do value higher learning as long as it's not revisionist.

Teddy there really is only one national election others are statewide or regional. so no I've not seen republican landslides by any republicans in quite some time with the possible exception of a Rove second termer and the reasons for that are interesting and include a sh1tty dem candidate. The fact you don't get it isn't a surprise. It jives with your skewed view of my favorite contemporary President and the first campaign I ever worked on.
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted:
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And in the 80s, just like now, there certainly were some extremely wacky socialist lib types to deal with, which he did, and he schooled them. He also dealt with them socially at times over drinks before during and after the deal. He did not make them the enemy to be opposed at every turn. He recognized the enemy was beyond our borders not within. His political opponents were simply wrong on some things not evil or misintentioned. Hijacking his name pisses me off.
ZRX1200 Offline
#129 Posted:
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Too bad he was wrong.

The socialist frog has been boiling, and the broth is getting more concentrated.
teedubbya Offline
#130 Posted:
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Lol. They should be cooked soon.
ZRX1200 Offline
#131 Posted:
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I think we're going from braise to deep fried.
teedubbya Offline
#132 Posted:
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He chose the things he would/could not waiver on and didn't. He also chose the things he would like to have or not have and put them as chits on the table. Then he played the game and usually won. But without a willingness to lose a few chits you can't win and are not even playing the game.

Rush used to take issue with that all the time when it was contemporary. Rush is an entertainer not someone who must govern a diverse country. I still remember the ronaldus Maximus stitchk being created just because it riled the libs who hated Ronnie because he kept beating them at the game.
ZRX1200 Offline
#133 Posted:
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You gotz a boner for Rush.

Fact is part of the Repubs want what Soetoro and the left fringe want they just don't want their names on it. What legislation has the Dog Eater wanted he hasn't gotten? Gun control? HIS fuggin VA is mislabeling thousands of Veterans that now cannot own firearms. His DOJ has ran entrapment efforts on others.....sorry back on point. Show me where the left compromises? Please, I'll listen. But Rush is right about the controlling faction of the left using Alinsky tactics.

See what I did there? I brought it back to him so you could have a happy ending.
teedubbya Offline
#134 Posted:
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They way to beat them is to engage them armed with better ideas.

The campus stuff trying to kill expression of opposing view points that are not pc or racially approved is dangerous. Why fear the opposing view if yours is superior? But the same is true on the other side of the coin. When did we become such self absorbed mind numbed wussies that demand our way or else?
teedubbya Offline
#135 Posted:
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I used to listen to rush all the time. I could listen to him at work at the time and rarely missed him for several years. I have nothing against him. I got bored with his act though. He is what he is. An entertainer. A good one too. He's no different than Moore, Stewart, maher etc. And if you listen enough to some it will get old. Meh.

The libs are worse but they always have been. That doesn't mean you can **** the bed and say it doesn't stink. If you want to be like them that's fine but let's not pretend differently. Reagan didn't want to be like them nor was he scared of them.

There are things that could get done if someone blinks first and the other blinks back. Then the game is on. Win it.
ZRX1200 Offline
#136 Posted:
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I can't take your premise, because of the lefts tactics it's a new battle.
teedubbya Offline
#137 Posted:
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Not much in politics is truly new.
teedubbya Offline
#138 Posted:
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Someone needs to take the high road and lead. I don't see that person in either party and indeed it's discouraged in both. But ultimately one will emerge or we will simply deteriorate as stubborn dumb asses. My guess is we deteriorate untim one must emerge or we become more multi party which in the end requires more compromise. That's not all bad or good. It just is.
teedubbya Offline
#139 Posted:
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That said if the current strategy works for both parties why change?
ZRX1200 Offline
#140 Posted:
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Just like a stone wheel and a Bugatti wheel are the same.
teddyballgame Offline
#141 Posted:
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teeddub, sorry about the Christie/Kasich thing, I think I crossed you with victor. My bad
teedubbya Offline
#142 Posted:
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Easy mistake to make with victor being a cross dresser and all.

So the equipment is more refined but the concept is the same. I've always thought of politics as a circle rather than a straight line. The further left or right you go the closer you get to the bottom of the circle and the more alike you become. The top of their circle (that y'all hate and drone on about) are similar as are the bottom. The bottom while being similar to each other in extremism and tactics are ideologically opposite however and won't work together. The top and east west sides if you will may work together. Both parties will ultimately reject the bottom and will work things out marginalizing the bottom. But the pendulum always swings back for awhile. The one constant is neither party's extreme wing every controls policy for any length of time relatively speaking. And the loons will bee ultimately seen for what they are even if not obvious to some at the time. Right now the loons are loose. It will change.
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#143 Posted:
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teddyballgame wrote:
teeddub, sorry about the Christie/Kasich thing, I think I crossed you with victor. My bad

Ladies and gentlemen, Teddyballgame, the apologetic.

And some don't believe in God......
victor809 Offline
#144 Posted:
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teddyballgame wrote:
The president shuts down the government, not the congress- THE PRESIDENT- the government cannot be shut down by congress.

Obama is responsible for the government shut down. As he was THE PRESIDENT.. got that?

BTW, Carter shut down the government 5 times.

Reagan 8 times.

and when the government shuts down, is anyone really affected? Non essential government does not shut down and 83% of government was considered essential and was still NOT SHUT DOWN in the last shut down.

The government shuts down every weekend and on national holidays and how on earth do we "peons" cope with life?

"Oh mercy help me lordy! I can't function without big brother telling me what to do! Where are my pants? Who is going to tell me what to eat? A lightbulb in my home is out.. which type is government telling me to use? Why oh why can't I function?"

We all rejoice when the DMV and the Post office again reopens, so we can breathe a sigh of relief that all is right with the world.


First.... huh? Now I'm not a government expert, but I'm guessing you aren't either, because I did a rudimentary wikipedia search and the government shutdown (2013) was due to the house and senate being unable to come to an agreement on the budget. Since the president doesn't get to write or approve the budget, I don't see how he can be responsible for the shutdown. I'm sure as the government expert you can enlighten us all... (and I'm sure your answer will be "obama shut it down because he threatened to veto the bills they would have submitted so they couldn't submit anything")...

As for "is anyone really affected"... that's a stupid question. At minimum the taxpayers paid for two weeks of vacation for essentially everyone in government. Sure they didn't get paid immediately, but all furloughed employees were given back pay for the time they were furloughed. I thought you were for reducing the cost of government.
ZRX1200 Offline
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DemoncRAT controlled senate backed by a PO (S)TUS veto.
victor809 Offline
#146 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
DemoncRAT controlled senate backed by a PO (S)TUS veto.


Really Z? I expect the childish name games from some others here, not really from you.

You do realize that demons don't exist, and that putting an "n" in the name doesn't make these politicians real-life demons, right?

banderl Offline
#147 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Really Z? I expect the childish name games from some others here, not really from you.

You do realize that demons don't exist, and that putting an "n" in the name doesn't make these politicians real-life demons, right?





What if he's some kind of a warlock or something?
Brewha Offline
#148 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
What if he's some kind of a warlock or something?


Could be a Jackalope.....
ZRX1200 Offline
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It's called "thread CPR" you're welcome.
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I hear tell the chupacabra are making a comeback.....
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