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victor I am not surprised you don't know who is ultimately responsible for government shutdowns. The house passed a bill and sent it to the Senate and Harry Reid wouldn't take up the spending bill and put it to a vote. If we follow your "logic", since the Dems didn't pass a budget in Reid's tenure, the government should have shut down then, every year.

The President is responsible for a government shutdown. It has been done 18 times since Ford and every time, it has been said that the president (either party) shut down the government....until this time. Just because the media repeats the lie over and over, doesn't make it so.

Here, read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist:

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/10/04/who-shut-down-the-government-n1716292/page/full

I'm not surprised there is a lot about government which I don't know. But I read to fill the gaps.

I am surprised you think you know what happens in the government, since you don't even bother reading the articles you use to defend your position. That article didn't say it was Obama's government shutdown. The article simply defended the House's right to submit any budget they want. How exactly do you think you can blame this on Obama still? He wasn't responsible for proposing the budget or passing it, and he never got an opportunity to veto it.

But go on... Tell us how it's always the president who shuts down the government.

You don't actually think there's a but red switch or something do you?

Now I know why you like Cruz. He said he shut the government down and then a few weeks later said he didn't (and probably blamed it on Obama).

So the president should sign a budget/spending bill whether he agrees with it or not? Even if the bill never gets to his desk it's still his fault for a government shutdown? No one gets hurt even if there is no money to pay for various services?

Stop, I say stop it boy, you’re doin’ alot of choppin’ but no chips are flyin'

I didn't say the president should or shouldn't sign anything.. that is up to him and up to the congress to over ride it or not.

83% of the government does not get shut down and all essential services.. we are not going to "default" as the lie goes. There is money to pay.. do taxes stop coming in with a government shutdown?

I didn't see that quote.

perhaps you can provide proof on your statement?

Here Here!

That is why Milton Freedman's suggestion of the government only being allowed to spend 17 or 18% of GDP every year is a good idea.

... dude...
You realize that if the bill doesn't get to the president, he can't "refuse to accept" the money... right? If the senate had passed it and Obama refused to sign it then it would be Obama's shutdown. But it never got that far. The fact that you keep trying to pin this on Obama sort of highlights how myopic you are on this issue.... A partisan might choose to blame this on Republican congress for passing a bill that they knew would never get through. A partisan might choose to blame this on Democrat Senators for refusing to pass the republican budget (which they wouldn't pass because the republican congress refused to include obamacare).... but it takes a special sort of lack of understanding to blame it on the part of our government it never got to.


first, a shutdown costs money. Everyone furloughed eventually gets paid even if they do no work. A government shutdown is simply increasing expense, which if you're a true conservative you should be against... so don't give me that "hurts no one" bs...
Second, your reagan examples were from him actually vetoing bills. You know... bills that made it to his desk because the senate and house agreed on it.
Third, and hilariously, aren't you the one who said reagan never compromised??? Look through the resolution of those shutdowns and you'll find he frequently got some of what he wanted and gave of some of what he wanted for the shutdown to end.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/


That was supposed to read "big red switch"....
Your lack of kink is your own issue.

I don't recall bush ever being blamed for actions of congress. Do you? Can you link a thread?

Plenty of things are bush's fault. Just as plenty of things are obama's fault. Things that relate directly to the executive branch of the US government.... invading countries, not invading countries... hell, I'll even blame obama for obamacare (even though, despite how much conservatives want to claim otherwise, it was passed through congress as a bill)... but I'd like you to find a single instance on cbid where bush was blamed for congress not passing something.

Apparently it's not now...

Did he get banned..??

#17 Posted: Tue, Dec 9 2007, 6:29 PM

it wasn't hard to find...

and stuff!

“Trump has risen because voters see him as authentic, independent, direct, firm, — and believe he can’t be bought,” Baker writes. “These are the same character traits our candidates should be advancing in 2016. That’s Trump lesson #1.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/private-memo-lays-out-how-the-gop-would-deal-with-trump-as-its-nominee/2015/12/02/78514cba-9909-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html


Sounds like the GOP is learning as they go and don't want to be left at the station.

My mistake... you said he "would not compromise with current democrats" (essentially saying nothing, as it's a fantastical idea that can be neither proven nor disproven...

Tony...drops the mic...boom!

Hey Vic. I want to buy your 400g rolls Royce. I'll give you $20 for it. No? It's your fault you don't want to sell. It's on you.

Thats bull$hit Victor and you know it. You're always trying to stir up $hit. Your Rolls isn't worth $400k unless someone cleans the pi$$ off, otherwise it will corrode and fall apart just like the light posts.

"Passed through congress as a bill"


You're a real peach Victor. Tell me when a major piece of legislation passed in the manor of that pile of schit.

They should wrap the bills in corn.....maybe they'd come through more intact instead of being turned into 'pile(s) of schit' by the time they pass

With hot sauce????

I was certain that football comment would get your panties in a bunch and send you off topping **** I posted....

Mission accomplished LMAO