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danmdevries Offline
#101 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 10:11 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
But Carson says turning gay is what happens - gay muslims ?


Is being Muslim a choice? Or were you born that way and prison enlightened you?Frying pan
gummy jones Offline
#102 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 10:11 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
But Carson says turning gay is what happens - gay muslims ?


i guess they would be forced to throw themselves from a building
could be our ticket to defeating isis Think
DrafterX Offline
#103 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 10:11 AM EST
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danmdevries wrote:
I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident. Who knew a kayak couldn't hold my safe.

Guess I should buy more before the man decides I can't have em.



I'd sue the kayak manufacturer.... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#104 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 12:50 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
C'mon Victor, you forgot the first part of the sentence, which grants the right in order to have a "well regulated militia".


I've actually reread this a number of times recently. The thing that's getting you caught up is that there is no clause there. It doesn't say " in order to maintain... " in the text the two ideas are not actually linked as written.

There are two separate concepts... 1- a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state (which we seem to be failing at maintaining) AND 2- the right of the people (well, what was defined as people back in the 16th century) to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The only thing linking those two concepts is their positioning in a single amendment, and a comma between them. There.is no linking clauses.

DrafterX Offline
#105 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 12:57 PM EST
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You just broke his little heart Vic.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#106 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:04 PM EST
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I just want to be well regulated and stuff. it is my right.
victor809 Offline
#107 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 1:22 PM EST
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I just want every "Florida man" to have the right to purchase any tank, rocket launcher, armored personnel carrier, bomb, landmines that his little heart desires....

...after that,the news stories will just write themselves.
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 2:00 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I just want every "Florida man"..

...after that,the news stories will just write themselves.



freak... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#109 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 4:55 PM EST
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Well at least Victor recognizes the antiquity of the 2nd amendment. It also should be obvious that the right to bear arms has always been infringed to some extent. Imagine if you could walk into congress with a automatic rifle how quickly the amendment would be legally amended.
dstieger Offline
#110 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 4:58 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Well at least Victor recognizes the antiquity of the 2nd amendment. It also should be obvious that the right to bear arms has always been infringed to some extent. Imagine if you could walk into congress with a automatic rifle how quickly the amendment would be legally amended.


Pretty sure its the same age as the 1st. Nobody's saying scrap freedom of speech 'cause its old.

Don't think you can walk into congress yelling "Fire!" either...doesn't mean the amendment is obsolete
DrafterX Offline
#111 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 4:59 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Imagine if you could walk into congress with a automatic rifle how quickly the amendment would be legally amended.



There's several existing laws that would be broken if you did that... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#112 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:00 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Pretty sure its the same age as the 1st. Nobody's saying scrap freedom of speech 'cause its old.

Don't think you can walk into congress yelling "Fire!" either...doesn't mean the amendment is obsolete



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/16/yale-fail-ivy-leaguers-caught-on-video-clamoring-to-kill-first-amendment/?intcmp=hpbt4

d'oh!
teedubbya Offline
#113 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:01 PM EST
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I want some bear arms
tonygraz Offline
#114 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:06 PM EST
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Go for the claw option too.
TMCTLT Offline
#115 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:07 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Well at least Victor recognizes the antiquity of the 2nd amendment. It also should be obvious that the right to bear arms has always been infringed to some extent. Imagine if you could walk into congress with a automatic rifle how quickly the amendment would be legally amended.




No I think even Victor realizes how far out in left field you really are....
The men in black would like to discuss " your imagination "

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tonygraz Offline
#116 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:08 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
There's several existing laws that would be broken if you did that... Mellow


Yes and those laws do infringe on the right to bear arms- which is why TW can't get bear arms.
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#117 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:13 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Well at least Victor recognizes the antiquity of the 2nd amendment. It also should be obvious that the right to bear arms has always been infringed to some extent. Imagine if you could walk into congress with a automatic rifle how quickly the amendment would be legally amended.


The amendment has already been legally infringed upon. Nanny state liberals like TMCetc and others who have pushed for laws keeping guns out of the hands of felons and mentally ill (I prefer the term "existing in a different mental state") and restricting law abiding citizens from carrying personal protection hand grenades into the white house.

Until we are able to stop these commie libtards from maintaining these outrageous gun laws, in simply not going to feel safe and I'm not going to get the sort of headlines I've always wanted.
tonygraz Offline
#118 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:24 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
No I think even Victor realizes how far out in left field you really are....
The men in black would like to discuss " your imagination "....
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I just find the rallying cry of the 2nd amendment gun nuts amusing. I wonder what percentage of them actually know what it says. It is really sad that many of the first reactions to a mass shooting is "Obama is going to take our guns away".
DrafterX Offline
#119 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:42 PM EST
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I find it sad that Obama threatens to every time there's a shooting... Have you looked at his background-check plan..?? it includes banning assault style rifles... that's why 'everyone' is against it.. but he fails to mention that part and makes the anti-gun crowd think law abiding gun owners are the bad guys.. Mellow
cacman Offline
#120 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 5:57 PM EST
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“Assault Weapons Ban” Introduced in Congress Today
http://controversialtimes.com/news/breaking-assault-weapons-ban-introduced-in-congress-today/

So yes tonygraz, the big "O" and his demagogues first reaction is to take our guns away.
We are at war. We are under attack on our homeland, and this administration wants to limit how law-abiding citizens can defend themselves. Terrorists and criminals don't care about stricter guns laws. They will get whatever weapon they want regardless.

What are you going to do, throw stones and use harsh language?
tonygraz Offline
#121 Posted: Wed, Dec 16 2015, 8:52 PM EST
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I have a gun and I'll probably never have to use it. Carl, you are sounding rather paranoid - did you listen to that debate last night ?
cacman Offline
#122 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:22 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I have a gun and I'll probably never have to use it. Carl, you are sounding rather paranoid - did you listen to that debate last night ?

I have a gun too. A couple of them for different circumstances. Difference is I look forward to using them for sport, shooting trap, steel targets, general practice, and hunting to put meat on my family's table. The only shooting "rampage" I've been involved in was when a huge flock of gees flew over our blind. I have a couple fishing rods with hooks too, so look out.

What you call paranoid some call paying attention to their surroundings and whats really going on.

No, I didn't watch the debates. For what was previously censored by our guberment as "Family Hour" I chose to blaze a fat one and watch The Muppets. I find those puppets far more entertaining than a bunch of millionaires arguing on stage and telling me what they are going to do for me after they become a puppet to the machine. One person is not going to stop the madness.

I'm still waiting for my free iPhone and internet. I never got a free rotary phone from Ma Bell when I was kid looking for a job. If it's been found that a free iPhone & internet is a basic need to be provided by our guberment, a "need" that's not found in the Constitution, then I purpose a tax-break for every US citizen that legally buys a gun and exercises his written Constitution right.
cacman Offline
#123 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:36 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
There are two separate concepts... 1- a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state (which we seem to be failing at maintaining) AND 2- the right of the people (well, what was defined as people back in the 16th century) to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Therein lies part of the problem. The Constitution was written with the effort and purpose for it to be timeless.
teedubbya Offline
#124 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:48 AM EST
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Yup. But it's needed a few amendments, some of them better than others. I bet a few in here would repeal the 13th, 15th, 16th and 19th if the could.
teedubbya Offline
#125 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 6:34 AM EST
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I'm glad we no longer honor the 18th
DrafterX Offline
#126 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 8:14 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I have a gun


Why do you support terrorism..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#127 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 8:16 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm glad we no longer honor the 18th


shoulda never happened anyways... Damn Baptists.. Mad
usafvet509 Offline
#128 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 9:11 AM EST
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The Constitution was written I'm the 16th century?! Holy ****! Our history books are WRONG!! They all say it was written in the 18th century! Liars!!!!

Is that like the Kenyan King visiting all 57 states?

Damn, victor. Y'all think you're so much smarter, too...
teedubbya Offline
#129 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 9:21 AM EST
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I prefer to live by the magna carta and the bible
victor809 Offline
#130 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 11:52 AM EST
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You got me. Went the wrong direction. 17th century.

I knew it didn't sound right, and looked at it twice... And did the math for 1900s and 20th century.... And still wrote it wrong. I should have just stuck with the year. Either way, the point stands and you understood what I wrote....all white men get guns, women get no guns and blacks get 3/5th of a gun.
victor809 Offline
#131 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 11:53 AM EST
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Dammit... I did it again! 18th...

I give up.
dstieger Offline
#132 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:


I give up.



Lotsa folks been waiting a long time to hear those three words
tonygraz Offline
#133 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Dammit... I did it again! 18th...

I give up.


At least you are finally in the correct century. Everybody makes mistakes and misstatements, you should be forgiven unless it becomes habitual.
victor809 Offline
#134 Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2015, 12:12 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Lotsa folks been waiting a long time to hear those three words


Hmm good point. A few of the geezers here probably just jizzed dust into their drawers.
TMCTLT Offline
#135 Posted: Sat, Dec 19 2015, 9:05 AM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Hd-HpiqqE



Obummers gun control mindset put to music....
DrafterX Offline
#136 Posted: Sat, Dec 19 2015, 9:52 AM EST
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Laugh



That Bassard..!! Mad
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