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DrMaddVibe Offline
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Hillary Clinton just can’t win: Democrats need to accept that only Bernie Sanders can defeat the GOP
Bernie Sanders will become our next president and it should come as no surprise to people actually paying attention

In one major poll, Bernie Sanders is now leading Hillary Clinton nationally. In most others, he’s not far behind from the former Secretary of State. Vermont’s Senator already has an “edge over Clinton in matchups with GOP opponents,” dispelling Clinton’s electability myth. In an average of national polls, Bernie Sanders is less than eight points from Hillary Clinton, after being over 50 points behind in 2015. In addition, there’s only one person capable of challenging a Republican in 2016 without James Comey declaring national security was jeopardized by a private server.

Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate capable of winning the White House in 2016. Please name the last person to win the presidency alongside an ongoing FBI investigation, negative favorability ratings, questions about character linked to continual flip-flops, a dubious money trail of donors, and the genuine contempt of the rival political party. In reality, Clinton is a liability to Democrats, and certainly not the person capable of ensuring liberal Supreme Court nominees and President Obama’s legacy.

The precious and all-knowing polls already show Bernie Sanders defeating Republicans in a general election and Robert Reich has already explained why Sanders can easily win the presidency. In a Huffington Post piece titled “6 Responses to Bernie Skeptic,” Reich debunks the trusted myth of Clinton supporters and Republicans:

“He’d never beat Trump or Cruz in a general election.”

Wrong. According to the latest polls, Bernie is the strongest Democratic candidate in the general election, defeating both Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in hypothetical matchups. (The latest RealClear Politics averages of all polls shows Bernie beating Trump by a larger margin than Hillary beats Trump, and Bernie beating Cruz while Hillary loses to Cruz.)

“America would never elect a socialist.”

P-l-e-a-s-e. America’s most successful and beloved government programs are social insurance – Social Security and Medicare. A highway is a shared social expenditure, as is the military and public parks and schools. The problem is we now have excessive socialism for the rich (bailouts of Wall Street, subsidies for Big Ag and Big Pharma, monopolization by cable companies and giant health insurers, giant tax-deductible CEO pay packages) – all of which Bernie wants to end or prevent.

As Reich points out in his article, America is already a nation of Democratic-Socialists, but many of us (Democrats and Republicans) simply uphold “excessive socialism for the rich.”

Bernie Sanders, unlike Clinton, defeats Donald Trump in a landslide of “epic proportions” in a general election and is the antithesis of a Republican. If you don’t believe me, then watch my friend Brian Hanley’s animated rap videos about Bernie Sanders demolishing Donald Trump.

Most importantly, and something the naysayers should learn, is that Bernie Sanders does better than Clinton against the GOP in a general election.

In addition, American voters don’t trust Hillary Clinton. At what point will critics of Bernie Sanders realize that American voters will never vote for a candidate they don’t trust and don’t like? In October of 2015, I explained in the following YouTube segment why Clinton is unelectable, and in another segment why Clinton must always evolve on key issues.

53.8% of all American voters have an “unfavorable” view of Hillary Clinton.

67% of American voters find Hillary Clinton “not honest and trustworthy,” compared with 59% for Donald Trump. Yes, more people trust Donald Trump.

After all, it’s difficult to trust a politician who completely fabricated a story about being fired upon by snipers. Like POLITIFACT states, “it’s hard to understand how she could err on something so significant as whether she did or didn’t dodge sniper bullets.”

71% of men and 64% of women find Clinton “not honest and trustworthy.”


74% of Independent voters find Clinton “not honest and trustworthy.”

35% of Democrats find Clinton “not honest and trustworthy.” Yes, even Democrats.

In contrast, Kathy Frankovic of YouGov.com states “Bernie Sanders is the most widely trusted presidential candidate of either party.”

Quinnipiac’s Feb. 18 report states “Sanders has the highest favorability rating of any candidate and the highest scores for honesty and integrity, for caring about voters’ needs and problems and for sharing voters’ values.” Sanders also ties Clinton on “having strong leadership qualities.”

In terms of Clinton’s leadership qualities, they haven’t translated to good judement. If the Clinton campaign expects to build upon President Obama’s accomplishments, then it should first discuss things with a former Obama intelligence official. Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn explains his view of Hillary Clinton’s email scandal in a CNN article titled “Former Obama Intel Official: Hillary Clinton Should Drop Out”:

President Barack Obama’s former top military intelligence official said Hillary Clinton should pull out of the presidential race while the FBI investigate her use of a private email server for official government communication while secretary of state.

“If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail,” said Flynn, who decried what he said was a “lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions as the secretary of state of the United States of America.”

“This over-classification excuse is not an excuse,” Flynn said Friday. “If it’s classified, it’s classified.”

Flynn, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency from July 2012 to August 2014, told Tapper that Clinton “knew better…“

No, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn isn’t part of the GOP. He actually worked for President Obama. If you think the FBI, a former Obama intelligence official, the State Department’s own “internal watchdog,” and all the other elements of this expanded investigation make for a great presidency, then you’re certainly ready for Hillary in 2016.

Yes, a former Obama intelligence official suggests Clinton “drop out” of the presidential race. The FBI’s investigation of Clinton’s emails is “not letting up” and there is no end in sight. Good luck with nationally televised debates against a ruthless opponent like Trump (who will certainly make the email scandal a primary issue of every discussion), if you fear the loss of Supreme Court nominees and the future of our country. It’s doubtful any GOP challenger would gracefully declare, “Enough of the emails.”

Even if you believe Clinton would win a general election, remember that the FBI, or even the State Department, could uncover yet another group of “Top Secret” emails well into Clinton’s first term. The FBI could also urge the Justice Department to take action; even if Clinton wins the presidency. We’ve already seen one Clinton White House defend against scandal.

By the way, can anyone at The Daily Beast, The Daily Banter, or The Daily Hillary Clinton Inevitability Press please explain why Hillary Clinton felt the need to own a private server?

Vermont’s senator will become our next president and it should come as no surprise to people actually paying attention, and not repeating establishment talking points. I’ve been saying this since June 25, 2015, when 730,000 people on Facebook liked my article titled “It’s Official — Bernie Sanders Has Overtaken Hillary Clinton In the Hearts and Minds of Democrats.” True, I was wrong about Iowa, but at least I got the winner right, and I’ll be right about my greatest prediction: On Jan. 20, 2017 Bernie Sanders Will Be Sworn In as America’s 45th President.


http://www.salon.com/2016/02/19/hillary_clinton_just_cant_win_democrats_need_to_accept_that_only_bernie_sanders_can_defeat_the_gop/


#feelthebern
jjanecka Offline
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Bern is a socialist. At least that was his mantra before he ran for office.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
Bern is a socialist. At least that was his mantra before he ran for office.



Yeah...try reading the WHOLE article.
jackconrad Offline
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He might croak before the Convention . Hillary's opponents have a Habfog it of that..
teddyballgame Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah...try reading the WHOLE article.



try reading something other than Salon.com
tamapatom Offline
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Eating their own....isn't that what we do to each other on this forum? Nationwide cigar smokers - 3% of population.......and declining.
jjanecka Offline
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Dude I watch CSPAN when these congressmen are is session Bernie used to say that he was a staunch socialist every other sentence. Besides there's no way Hilldog is gonna lose the nomination. Too many primary voting democrats feel she is a quality established candidate. Bernie is just some angry old man that utilizes psuedo economics to usher in unreasonable tax load on hard working Americans so that freeloaders can take advantage of their own countrymen.
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kitty-cats eat their young... Mellow
tamapatom Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
kitty-cats eat their young... Mellow

So where did the term "dog eat dog" come from then????
DrMaddVibe Offline
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tamapatom wrote:
So where did the term "dog eat dog" come from then????



Korea..maybe Ted Nugent...I dunnowhip
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teddyballgame wrote:
try reading something other than Salon.com



Teddyballgag...don't pretend you know what I read on a daily basis.

You're a Ted Cruz sycophant!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
Dude I watch CSPAN when these congressmen are is session Bernie used to say that he was a staunch socialist every other sentence. Besides there's no way Hilldog is gonna lose the nomination. Too many primary voting democrats feel she is a quality established candidate. Bernie is just some angry old man that utilizes psuedo economics to usher in unreasonable tax load on hard working Americans so that freeloaders can take advantage of their own countrymen.



Like I already told you...read the ENTIRE article.

Clinton did not sound as confident as the senator in her final rally, which drew a few hundred supporters in Las Vegas Friday night. “We’ve got to be in this together,” she said, urging them to bring as many people as possible to caucus for her Saturday morning. “I want you tell them this, If they will stand with me tomorrow, I will stand and fight for them.”

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/hillary-clintons-week-long-sprint-to-save-nevada-133528743.html


A few hundred? Christ, even Sarah Palin could fill a stadium!!!

Ask Ron Brown, Vince Foster and U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone S. Woods and Glen Doherty about how it feels to have a Clinton fighting for you! Hell, I'll even toss in the nation of Rwanda for good measure!


She's losing her base left and right. When a left leaning site is telling you she's in trouble and unelectable you should pay attention. Not you though. You're content with espousing the same name tags you hear on tv and soup it up because you refuse to do any critical thinking and delve a little deeper into what each candidate REALLY believes in.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-money-20160218-story.html


But Ima gonna let you finish!Boo hoo!
teddyballgame Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Teddyballgag...don't pretend you know what I read on a daily basis.

You're a Ted Cruz sycophant!



Wow, I hit a nerve there, with my bit of levity.

Take a chill pill.

I support the most conservative candidate in the field and that happens to be Ted Cruz.

Decision made with logic and reason. I don't have a bumper sticker or lawn sign either.

tonygraz Offline
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Good pairing, lying crazy hypocrites.



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DrafterX Offline
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teedubbya Offline
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Self proclaimed most conservative.
teedubbya Offline
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When Cruz self pleasures do you think he is fantasizing about himself?
frankj1 Offline
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Nope. Dezi Arnez Jr.
DrafterX Offline
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freak... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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moi?
What about Cruz?
teedubbya Offline
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Dezi is dreamy. I can't fault him for that
DrafterX Offline
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I heard Dezi was gay and Lucy was really a man... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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http://fee.org/articles/american-infamy/
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teddyballgame wrote:
Wow, I hit a nerve there, with my bit of levity.

Take a chill pill.

I support the most conservative candidate in the field and that happens to be Ted Cruz.

Decision made with logic and reason. I don't have a bumper sticker or lawn sign either.




You couldn't hit a target with a hand grenade!

Sorry you boast about supporting a big turd. I hope you sent him a lot of support! Maybe you and Glenn Beck should fast more for him.

Your decision was most likely based on some half assed opinion fed tv show.
usafvet509 Offline
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Wow! Another "tolerant" Lib, are we, Vibe? SMH
ZRX1200 Offline
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He's not a lib.
frankj1 Offline
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no, he is not for sure!
weird that he has been called that recently, might be simply because he is not in lock step with today's GOP?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Ding ding.

DMV is an island.
teedubbya Offline
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Anyone who disagrees is a lib. It's an easy way to avoid actual thought.
frankj1 Offline
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no man is an island...
pdxstogieman Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
no, he is not for sure!
weird that he has been called that recently, might be simply because he is not in lock step with today's GOP?


Lock step isn't good enough to establish your bonafides in the Greed Over People party, goose stepping is required.
pdxstogieman Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
no man is an island...


But Noman's Land is an island:

http://www.fws.gov/refuge/nomans_land_island/

I think this is the Bundy's next target for occupation...when they get out of prison in 120 years or so.
frankj1 Offline
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neo-occupoopers?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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usafvet509 wrote:
Wow! Another "tolerant" Lib, are we, Vibe? SMH



Et tu n00b?

Seriously?

Where's Rick when you freaking really need him. I think his head would explode off his shoulders if he heard anyone call me that.

Whatever n00b. There isn't a viable candidate on the GOP side. They're all insane. Each and every one of them. Some are bat**** crazy like Cruz and Carson and others are better off hiding it a bit. Then there's Trump. If elected what's he going to do...wait for Congress to convene in session call them up and tell them they're all fired?

Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan

No, the only one saying stop the war insanity is Sanders. Try to wrap your mind around the notion of the US military not being stretched paper thin and the money spent on say infrastructure or some new tech that would make everyone's life easier like high speed rail? I don't want to confuse any of you...all the rest...want endless wars because that's what they're handlers want...or even use the "saved" money to pay down the national debt!!!

The choice is obvious to me and I'm over the "He's a socialist" crap. Anyone with half a brain, access to the internet should be too. Do your own damned research. Look at their voting records. Go hear them speak or listen to their speeches on You Tube. DON'T take the media's half assed attempt at "journalism" because they fail everyone.
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usafvet509,
Anyone who knows DMV, knows that he has never been a lib, or supported liberal candidates for office. This is a completely new manifestation, probably driven by the corruption, or insanity, of all the other candidates for the office.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)Beer
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Homebrew wrote:
usafvet509,
Anyone who knows DMV, knows that he has never been a lib, or supported liberal candidates for office. This is a completely new manifestation, probably driven by the corruption, or insanity, of all the other candidates for the office.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)Beer



True dat...tired of holding my nose and voting for the least worst candidate.

This is the first time I've registered as a Democrat in my life! I've voted for some because they were the best candidate but I was registered Republican. Think about that for a second...I'm in my early 50's. I'm fed up, live in a closed primary state so in order to vote for whom I believe has the experience I had to do what I had to do.

I'm done with the party mantra. Both will sellout themselves and leave you the bill! Just look at the last 16 years in office and see the proof!

Like I've stated since the beginning...the GOP isn't running anyone worthy of a vote. All the same usual suspects with the same old ideas and hatred baggage that had fractured America. The Dems have Sanders and a bitch. A bitch that's under federal criminal scrutiny...now I know what you're thinking, "How can anyone support that?" but then when you see Carson and Cruz open up their idiot mouths...it removes any doubt.

This nation is wounded and needs help. Sanders is the only one that's talking about healing it from within, no walls, not discriminations...just get busy. What gets lost in all of this is the media is damaging him the most because he makes the most sense. Don't take my word for ti though...do your own research.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
True dat...tired of holding my nose and voting for the least worst candidate.

This is the first time I've registered as a Democrat in my life! I've voted for some because they were the best candidate but I was registered Republican. Think about that for a second...I'm in my early 50's. I'm fed up, live in a closed primary state so in order to vote for whom I believe has the experience I had to do what I had to do.

I'm done with the party mantra. Both will sellout themselves and leave you the bill! Just look at the last 16 years in office and see the proof!

Like I've stated since the beginning...the GOP isn't running anyone worthy of a vote. All the same usual suspects with the same old ideas and hatred baggage that had fractured America. The Dems have Sanders and a bitch. A bitch that's under federal criminal scrutiny...now I know what you're thinking, "How can anyone support that?" but then when you see Carson and Cruz open up their idiot mouths...it removes any doubt.

This nation is wounded and needs help. Sanders is the only one that's talking about healing it from within, no walls, not discriminations...just get busy. What gets lost in all of this is the media is damaging him the most because he makes the most sense. Don't take my word for ti though...do your own research.


i think more socialism will work this time around

screw history and the disaster that is europe (who is about 1-2 decades ahead of us on the socialism curve)

who doesnt love more gov regulation to be weilded by the political class like a weapon

the ends: more crony capitalism

this time it just seems to make sense - yes we can!

i can already feel the healing (from within)

[sorry but to read "the gop isnt running anyone worthy of a vote" when the dems are running two failed career politicians whose ideas are little more than the extreme of what we just had for 8 years just seems funny]
teddyballgame Offline
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Oh gummy,

You know socialism will work, it just hasn't been done the correct way...
usafvet509 Offline
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Like it ever could be done the correct way. And vibe, "war insanity"? Don't push it
usafvet509 Offline
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Put it this way. If you're gonna go there, you BEST be putting up some vet credentials
gummy jones Offline
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usafvet509 wrote:
Put it this way. If you're gonna go there, you BEST be putting up some vet credentials


us tigers hate vets
teddyballgame Offline
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I see what you did there.

My dogs don't like the vet either.
teedubbya Offline
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BS on vet credentials. Stupid statement.
teedubbya Offline
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At least in the upcoming pres debates for each party war and national defense can not be discussed since some jacalope proclaimed it lol.


The majority of my family and friends are current or former military and they cringe when some moron plays that card. It paints them in a bad light. Its a cheap and petty way of arguing when much like Powell at the UN...... You got nothing. I respect and thank you for your service but it is in no way a free STFU card even if you piss cammo patterns.
teddyballgame Offline
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If you piss camo patterns, you may want to go see a urologist....just sayin'
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teddyballgame wrote:
Oh gummy,

You know socialism will work, it just hasn't been done the correct way...



Teddyballgag...we're not running a socialist government are we?

A senator that has a better grasp on reality than you or any other GOP candidate with a voting record to prove it.

This is exactly what I mean...look at you fools...tossing around the term socialist like he's going to rape you, your spouses and children too! Why don't you actually do a little research on the guy? Teddyballgag, you get a pass. You're not bright enough to use the g00gl3 or the interwebs.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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usafvet509 wrote:
Put it this way. If you're gonna go there, you BEST be putting up some vet credentials


Like my d!ck? "vet credentials"? Like what JOhn KErry and Gerorge Bush had? It doesn't buy you a cup of coffee!

Seriously you fool...it doesn't take a blithering idiot to fully comprehend that we've wasted TRILLIONS of dollars on stupid wars spreading Freedom and Democracy to nations that really want to go back to the 7th Century, wear robes and hate you and your God.

We still have bases in Germany, Italy, Korea so its a good bet we're going to be in Afghanistan and Iraq as long...most likely longer!

Get used to saying QUADRILLION war mongers. Ever think that maybe...just maybe the world resentment is blowback for meddling in national affairs around the globe? Let that sink in a bit.
teddyballgame Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Teddyballgag...we're not running a socialist government are we?

A senator that has a better grasp on reality than you or any other GOP candidate with a voting record to prove it.

This is exactly what I mean...look at you fools...tossing around the term socialist like he's going to rape you, your spouses and children too! Why don't you actually do a little research on the guy? Teddyballgag, you get a pass. You're not bright enough to use the g00gl3 or the interwebs.




DMV, you angry little man. Socialism won't be thrust upon us like in the Soviet Union, but incrementally aren't we going that route? We keep moving further and further away from limited government to statism, whatever one wants to call it.
Bernie is a socialist and he claims it often and proudly. Great. "A" for honesty.
Bernie is all about free stuff - how it gets paid for, is anyone's guess. He will hike taxes, like any socialist dem.

So why defend this marxist?
Yes, he is more a marxist than a socialist, but then I am just splitting hairs.
How did this great country become as great as it has in such a short period of time?
Through big government statism, or through capitalism?
tonygraz Offline
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Capitalism gave us recessions, depressions and lately expensive wars, socialism gave us the middle class. It's time for a left turn.
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