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Just sitting here waiting for all these unfunded liabilities to bankrupt their states. Once a couple clamor for bailouts they will start dropping like flies.

no hate at all, just am only hearing "libs must be stopped, just say no".
I'd love to hear solutions. My vote is still available...Johnson/Weld have more to propose.

I guess 100k a year is not enough to lure someone to pay $2000 a month for an apartment across the street from a light pole corroded by pi$$ even if the can watch Beulah bend over and vertically smile.

The OP could've STOPPED right after typing the first two title words of his post.....

OBAMA BLOWS

There's sumpin we CAN agree on

But wait, didn't he double the national debt. Why not brag about that???

I like that we've closed Guantanamo Bay and ended all military actions.

Hehe.
If people were that unwilling to live next to the pizz covered light pole, the rent wouldn't be 2k a month. :)

It's a sad (?) state of our city that housing demand is so high that a neighborhood like mine is able to demand such a ridiculous rent.

And to be fair, 2k/mo is still only approx 1/3 of their after-tax income, so theoretically an acceptable cost for rent.

So that was you.

I just love.....deflection

MOM....he did it first

Huh, apparently not in Iraq or Afghanistan, we still have people getting killed in those sh|tholes and he extended the war to Yemen Libya Syria and who knows where else.

We also need to credit Obama with the severe shortage of ammo.


I've been searching the last 5 years for .22 rifle ammo. I can find some occasionally here or there, but the price has more than doubled.

The rounds Ocho uses to deer hunt could only be found online. I couldn't find the round I have hunted with for years....so I had to change.

You obviously forgot..

Deflection?
Do you even know what that means?
I pointed out some facts to Anthony, nothing more.

Almost everyone was sucked into supporting Bush's wars because the administration was supplying false intell info to Congress.

Ever notice how the liberals here will argue nonstop about theory and policy, but when I give "real life impact" the silence is deafening.

Your real life impact isn't because of Obama. I've not seen any laws restricting ammo sales, have you?

If there's an ammo shortage, it's either the manufacturers or retailers creating artificial scarcity, or consumers panicking and creating a run on the inventory.

Or Homeland Security buying a few billion rounds.

What if Billary had taken Sudan up on their offer of giving up Osama bin Laden in 1996. It is much easier for the left to blame Bush than the real culprit. If Billary had taken them up on their offer, 911 may never have occurred and there would not have been a reason to go into Afghanistan or Iraq as retribution.

Mattie, don't be shy. You're telling me that you can't buy. 22 rifle ammo, that it isn't in stock... I'm trying to figure out how this is Obama's fault, since I've not seen him restrict the amount of ammo which can be kept in Stock by retailers. Maybe he has, feel free to point it out.

Victor the above is correct. I hate to cut and paste here. I promise you can easily find the correlation of ammo prices/availability to this administration.


I wouldn't steer you wrong buddy. I promise it's there.

Is that really a bad thing ?

Guys,
I have no doubt that ammo prices have gone up since Obama took office. If you look at the spin-up after his nomination in 08, and everyone's certainty that he was going to immediately confiscate all guns to become leader for life (I'm pretty sure that exact thread was posted on this forum in 2008)... then it's no surprise that prices would soar.

The question is whether this is because of anything he actually did, or if it's just because everyone is afraid of him.

Both of you are suggesting that he's manipulating ammunition prices through controlling the amount of ammunition purchased by government agencies (this is a pretty big stretch to begin with, because it suggests the president has the time or inclination to meddle with the budget of independent agencies, when there are probably much simpler ways to take your ammunition)... I believe you are referring to the purchases addressed in this link:
http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2014/jun/27/james-buchal/government-stockpiling-hundreds-millions-rounds-am/

As you can see, while the infowars article jumped on the government ammunition purchase, that wasn't an unusual purchase, and in fact is lower than prior years. According to politifact, (here's the snopes article, but they didn't go back to previous years: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp) it simply isn't likely that government purchases are what is driving the prices up and availability down. In fact, both articles suggest that it's the paranoia which is causing individual civilian purchases to drive down availability (as I suggested in a previous post, it's a run on ammunition).
Here's a "bearing arms" website providing a graph of said arms purchases by the government:
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2014/02/17/breaking-dhs-is-not-buying-up-all-the-ammunition/

And interestingly enough, here's a wikipedia article which says almost everything I just said, but smarter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9313_United_States_ammunition_shortage

Victor.

I know you like to play the symantics game


Think of the Cuban middle crisis.

Did the Russians "do" anything , or were people just scared of what could happen?

So in my mind, absolutely, Obama has caused issues in me procuring ammo.

There were Russian nuke missiles in Cuba - why would anyone be afraid ?

This isnt' semantics. You're now saying that the shortage of ammo and high prices is because everyone is afraid obama is going to take away their guns and ammo, and that's entirely his fault.

Except conveniently that fear was stoked by the same groups that will profit from runs on ammo and guns. Wouldn't you blame them for some of this? Obama has never successfully taken any ammo or guns away (to my knowledge, I'm sure you can correct me if I'm wrong)... he didn't enact any laws restricting guns.. he encouraged the idea, but wasn't successful.

There has been so much hype from the gun manufacturers, and apparently outright lies from fringe media that anyone owning a gun is buying ammo the instant they see it anywhere... they're all blaming obama, but it certainly seems from the information I can find that they're just on some weird perpetual motion machine of fear.