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Mattie B Offline
#101 Posted:
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Victor I know your a smart man. You get my respect for that. But I disagree.

I do believe obamas agenda for gun control is the driving force behind ammo issues.
TMCTLT Offline
#102 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
This isnt' semantics. You're now saying that the shortage of ammo and high prices is because everyone is afraid obama is going to take away their guns and ammo, and that's entirely his fault.

Except conveniently that fear was stoked by the same groups that will profit from runs on ammo and guns. Wouldn't you blame them for some of this? Obama has never successfully taken any ammo or guns away (to my knowledge, I'm sure you can correct me if I'm wrong)... he didn't enact any laws restricting guns.. he encouraged the idea, but wasn't successful.

There has been so much hype from the gun manufacturers, and apparently outright lies from fringe media that anyone owning a gun is buying ammo the instant they see it anywhere... they're all blaming obama, but it certainly seems from the information I can find that they're just on some weird perpetual motion machine of fear.




You are correct on there being " runs on gun purchases " however I've heard from many folks across MANY states that ammo and even materials in which to re-load @ times have been nearly impossible to find. I suppose next you'll make excuses as to why he CLOSED our very last lead smelting plant???
teedubbya Offline
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Lawrence Keane is the senior vice president and general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which represents the ammunitions and firearms industry.
“Manufacturers use recycled lead to make ammunition. They don’t buy from smelters,” Mr. Keane told me Monday. “The EPA closing, which has been in the works for a while, will have no impact on production, supply or cost to the consumers.”
teedubbya Offline
#104 Posted:
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Sometimes folks can be on the right side of an issue but damage the argument anyway by buying in to nonsense.

Gun owners can rest easy about one aspect of President Obama’s agenda. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) decision to close the country’s last remaining lead smelter will not cause further ammunition shortages or higher costs.
Lawrence Keane is the senior vice president and general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which represents the ammunitions and firearms industry.
“Manufacturers use recycled lead to make ammunition. They don’t buy from smelters,” Mr. Keane told me Monday. “The EPA closing, which has been in the works for a while, will have no impact on production, supply or cost to the consumers.”
SEE ALSO: MILLER: Black Friday 2013 gun sales sixth-highest in history but lower than 2012
A primary smelter is like a coal mine — it takes the lead out of the ground and turns it into a usable product. The more than 100-year-old Doe Run Lead Smelter is closing its Herculaneum plant at the end of the year to comply with air-quality standards set by the EPA.
American ammunition manufacturers use lead that has been recycled from a variety of everyday products, like car batteries and tire weights.
Ammunition supply has been at historic lows over the last year. This has led some to believe Internet conspiracy theories blaming Mr. Obama, such as the Department of Homeland Security buying up the civilian supply.
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In fact, supply is low simply because demand was off the charts in the year leading up to Mr. Obama’s re-election. After the president announced his gun-control agenda following the Newtown tragedy last December, demand rose for the already-low supply, which led to empty shelves.
Heavy demand continues today because of gun owners’ legitimate fears of additional federal and state restrictions on their Second Amendment rights.
The major manufacturers have been trying to backfill the supply by running the plants with 24/7 with three shifts in 2013, according to the NSSF.
However, gun owners should be genuinely concerned about ammunition costs skyrocketing due to the law recently signed by California Gov. Jerry Brown that bans lead ammo for hunting in the state.
The Golden State is always leading the country in inventing absurd gun-control laws based on junk science. This new statute is based on two bogus claims: that lead ammunition kills off wildlife populations and that people can get sick from eating game shot with lead ammo.
“Banning traditional ammunition will result in an unprecedented constriction of supply and massive price increases,” Mr. Keane of the NSSF said of the California law. “Large numbers of hunters will be driven out of the field and target shooters off the firing line.”
Make no mistake, Mr. Obama and his gun-grabbing cohorts around the country want to infringe on the Second Amendment whenever possible. However, in the case of the lead smelter closing, gun owners ought not to be up in arms.
Buckwheat Offline
#105 Posted:
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The bottom line on the economy is and has always been the same. If you are working a job and happy with it and making a good salary then then the economy is great; if not then it sucks. fog
DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted:
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True... true... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#107 Posted:
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Mattie B wrote:
Victor I know your a smart man. You get my respect for that. But I disagree.

I do believe obamas agenda for gun control is the driving force behind ammo issues.

Driving force? No sir. One of the sparks perhaps.

Look at the overall dynamics; We have another one of our famous and uniquely American mass shootings with easily gotten fire power. The administration says "We must do something to prevent the wrong kind of people from having easy access to these weapons."

Curtesy of the NRA, Fox, et all, the translation reads "The Federal government is about to a take away all of your weapons, ammunition and knives longer than 3 inches." So, the gun enthusiast community rushes to stock pile everything it can - because soon you won't be able to buy 22 long rifle shells. Not even to quell a squirrel uprising.

You really have to take into account the mentality of the horders. Many have no concern whatever for the risk to the general population by having assault rifles with 40 round clips as available as a GPS. They argue that we are all at our safest when even the most militarize weapons can be gotten easily. And as ridiculous as it sounds - they actually believe it.

The point is that these people horde because people scare them. And the Admistration making reasonable statements and pursuing reasonable restriction scares the willies out of them....
tonygraz Offline
#108 Posted:
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I can't help but think that the people who fear that Obama is going to take their guns away are probably the kind of people that shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
banderl Offline
#109 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
wow really..?? never heard that one before..... Mellow


You don't remember Powell lying through his teeth at the UN?
TMCTLT Offline
#110 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
I can't help but think that the people who fear that Obama is going to take their guns away are probably the kind of people that shouldn't be allowed to have guns.




If you weren't SO DISTURBING....you'd be humorous.....PROBABLY
tonygraz Offline
#111 Posted:
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I knew you were disturbed.
TMCTLT Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Driving force? No sir. One of the sparks perhaps.

Look at the overall dynamics; We have another one of our famous and uniquely American mass shootings with easily gotten fire power. The administration says "We must do something to prevent the wrong kind of people from having easy access to these weapons.
Courtesy of the NRA, Fox, et all, the translation reads "The Federal government is about to a take away all of your weapons, ammunition and knives longer than 3 inches." So, the gun enthusiast community rushes to stock pile everything it can - because soon you won't be able to buy 22 long rifle shells. Not even to quell a squirrel uprising.

You really have to take into account the mentality of the hoarders. Many have no concern whatever for the risk to the general population by having assault rifles with 40 round clips ( it's actually referred to as a MAGAZINE a clip is what you use in your hair) available as a GPS. They argue that we are all at our safest when even the most militarize weapons can be gotten easily. And as ridiculous as it sounds - they actually believe it.

The point is that these people horde because people scare them. And the Administration making reasonable statements and pursuing reasonable restriction scares the willies out of them....


LOLZ

NO SIR,,, I'd prefer to question the mentality of those like yourself who just like Barry.....NEVER want to miss an opportunity to attack and attempt to disarm Law Abiding gun owners while folks again like YOU try to sell the latest massacre as just another American gone mad instead of discussing the truth of WHO and WHY the MF'er did what he did. And I'm also throwing a BIG BS flagon your claim that " militarized weapons " can be had EASILY....that is a bald face LIE. And finally NO....people hoard because they're afraid of OVERREACHING tards like Barry and his " followers "...NOTHING MORE

Correct.....We Law Abiding....mentally stable ( non radical Muslim ) LEGAL gun owners are NOT going to let the likes of a bunch of ILL informed Democrats remove our most basic of RIGHTS.
Speyside Offline
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Brewha, why do you hate the average middle class American?
Brewha Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
LOLZ

NO SIR,,, I'd prefer to question the mentality of those like yourself who just like Barry.....NEVER want to miss an opportunity to attack and attempt to disarm Law Abiding gun owners while folks again like YOU try to sell the latest massacre as just another American gone mad instead of discussing the truth of WHO and WHY the MF'er did what he did. And I'm also throwing a BIG BS flagon your claim that " militarized weapons " can be had EASILY....that is a bald face LIE. And finally NO....people hoard because they're afraid of OVERREACHING tards like Barry and his " followers "...NOTHING MORE

Correct.....We Law Abiding....mentally stable ( non radical Muslim ) LEGAL gun owners are NOT going to let the likes of a bunch of ILL informed Democrats remove our most basic of RIGHTS.

The fact that people like yourself see no real danger is allowing almost everyone easy access to military grade fire power demonstrates either really deep denial or a lack of cognitive ability. But I'll credit you with a double tap on that...

And lots of people refer to their magazines as clips. You should learn more about guns.
Brewha Offline
#115 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Brewha, why do you hate the average middle class American?

Not hate, thought love. When you find your kid playing with matches you need to straighten them out.

And brother, we have a lot of the average middle class "responsible gun owners" playing with fire.
tonygraz Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Brewha, why do you hate the average middle class American?


Are you related to Drafter ?
Brewha Offline
#117 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Are you related to Drafter ?

He could be sort of a groupie I reckon - Drafter has quite a fan base here.....
DrafterX Offline
#118 Posted:
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Laugh
I'm just a dude.. Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#119 Posted:
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Not what TW said.
TMCTLT Offline
#120 Posted:
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Brewha[/b wrote:
]The fact that people like yourself see no real danger is allowing almost everyone easy access to military grade fire power demonstrates either really deep denial or a lack of cognitive ability. But I'll credit you with a double tap on that...

And lots of people refer to their magazines as clips. You should learn more about guns.


And LOTS of people YOU know would be referring INCORRECTLY, ask ANY real gun person.

....AND THEY"RE NOT military grade weapons that the public is allowed to buy.

And lastly do NOT put words in my mouth, I've said no such thing about " almost everyone " having access!!!


[b][quote=Brewha
]Not hate, thought love. When you find your kid playing with matches you need to straighten them out.

ote]And brother, we have a lot of the average middle class "responsible gun owners" playing with fire.[/qu


What an ABSOLUTE load of C R A P.....you should be a Democratic politician....you seem to have the right mindset
Speyside Offline
#121 Posted:
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My point was liberals approve of trampling constitutional rights to get their way.
banderl Offline
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Speyside wrote:
My point was liberals approve of trampling constitutional rights to get their way.


Repubs never would do that.

Oh wait, what about the Patriot Act with all of the domestic spying that went along with it?
teedubbya Offline
#123 Posted:
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It's for your own good regardless of party now stfu and blow.
ZRX1200 Offline
#124 Posted:
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Would seem that way.

Only a gun-phobe calls magazines "clips". The term "clip" is used but not for that....

Uniquely American?

Yeah good old France has severe gun restrictions and what happened there with two good white Christian rednecks (*cough*cough Mooslems)?


The only mass shooting in American history I can recall with millitary grade weapons were Waco, Kent State and Wounded Knee.......now why would citizens need to be armed again?

Yeah........
teedubbya Offline
#125 Posted:
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I dunno I like guns and have used the word clip. It seems to me to be a pet peeve of a certain group sort of like isom. I always thought that (isom) was silly until docrks made a pretty compelling argument and I stopped using it. Not because I agreed necessarily but because I respected him and could understand why it bothered him and I chose not to do so. As for clips I've not heard that compelling argument other than some snooty gun guys turning up their nose and trying to be so smart and stuff. In the isom case it had something to do with disparaging a group of people. I'm not sure the guns feelings will be hurt.
teedubbya Offline
#126 Posted:
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I miss docrks.
teedubbya Offline
#127 Posted:
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And big chief
TMCTLT Offline
#128 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I dunno I like guns and have used the word clip. It seems to me to be a pet peeve of a certain group sort of like isom. I always thought that (isom) was silly until docrks made a pretty compelling argument and I stopped using it. Not because I agreed necessarily but because I respected him and could understand why it bothered him and I chose not to do so. As for clips I've not heard that compelling argument other than some snooty gun guys turning up their nose and trying to be so smart and stuff. In the isom case it had something to do with disparaging a group of people. I'm not sure the guns feelings will be hurt.




Nothing like comparing apples to kumquats

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-clip-and-vs-magazine/

The gun control zealots like t o use " fully automatic " a lot as well.....but it's just All The Same.....d'oh!
ZRX1200 Offline
#129 Posted:
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Drove by his house this weekend.

You wanna know what those snobs have in common? Military experience and or family that served that explained the difference.
teedubbya Offline
#130 Posted:
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I agree on the fully automatic part. Just not the clips. It's a pet peeve imho. I've not heard a compelling reason otherwise. My family probably has a lot more military experience than most but they don't seem to be passionate about that word.

Tmc exactly. It is different as I said. I've just not heard a good explanation why it's anything more than a pet peeve. My mind can be changed, as it was by docrks who didn't just say merica, military, or some vitriol. He laid out a rationale that made sense even if not in 100% agreement.
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted:
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Oh and before anyone gets too crazy I understand the difference and try to be accurate. I just don't get the wig out.
teedubbya Offline
#132 Posted:
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Zrx you drove by Romans house? He lives in the pnw?
teedubbya Offline
#133 Posted:
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I get more irritated by the term assault rifle and the assumptions folks make.
teedubbya Offline
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Make no mistake, I accept there may be a very good reason to take issue with the term, I just see it as nitpicking at this point.

My problem with the term assault rifle is they are being targeted by folks that don't know what they are and there is an impact i.e. They may be trying to ban something unintended. The difference to me is folks want to ban certain magazines whether the call them clips or not. They mean magazines. In the assault weapon example they don't mean a pistol with add ons, they don't even know that exists. They are thinking you walk out with a military weapon. I.e. The error in terminology has more impact. Maybe I'm wrong.
teedubbya Offline
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Sorry for the multiple posts to edit would be too much work. I understand the difference, that's not an issue. I've also read why some think it's important. I'm just curious why specificity on this is so important to some in here..... In your own words. I respect it just don't understand it.
teedubbya Offline
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It seems like it's merely being used to justify calling someone a dumb ass.
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#137 Posted:
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Who are you talking to..?? Huh
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teedubbya wrote:
Make no mistake, I accept there may be a very good reason to take issue with the term, I just see it as nitpicking at this point.

My problem with the term assault rifle is they are being targeted by folks that don't know what they are and there is an impact i.e. They may be trying to ban something unintended. The difference to me is folks want to ban certain magazines whether the call them clips or not. They mean magazines. In the assault weapon example they don't mean a pistol with add ons, they don't even know that exists. They are thinking you walk out with a military weapon. I.e. The error in terminology has more impact. Maybe I'm wrong.




See for me TW it is even more simplistic than that, when I hear " assault weapon " I hear two words....assault and weapon and then I break that chosen military terminology down by using it in a sentence.

Did you guys hear.....TMC offed a dude by " assaulting " him....with a rock for his chosen "weapon ".
It is politicians and the media whores who like to use military terminology in hopes it will simply be regurgitated by their fan clubs. Words do indeed have consequences....especially when intentionally misused by certain groups!!!
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Insult Weapons are next... soon 'you're momma's so fat' jokes will be hate crimes... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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Never said Republicans did not do that also.
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TMCTLT wrote:
See for me TW it is even more simplistic than that, when I hear " assault weapon " I hear two words....assault and weapon and then I break that chosen military terminology down by using it in a sentence.

Did you guys hear.....TMC offed a dude by " assaulting " him....with a rock for his chosen "weapon ".
It is politicians and the media whores who like to use military terminology in hopes it will simply be regurgitated by their fan clubs. Words do indeed have consequences....especially when intentionally misused by certain groups!!!



Ummmm ok?
teedubbya Offline
#142 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Who are you talking to..?? Huh



you and yo mamma
Brewha Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:


And LOTS of people YOU know would be referring INCORRECTLY, ask ANY real gun person.

....AND THEY"RE NOT military grade weapons that the public is allowed to buy.

And lastly do NOT put words in my mouth, I've said no such thing about " almost everyone " having access!!!


[b][quote=Brewha
]Not hate, thought love. When you find your kid playing with matches you need to straighten them out.

ote]And brother, we have a lot of the average middle class "responsible gun owners" playing with fire.[/qu


What an ABSOLUTE load of C R A P.....you should be a Democratic politician....you seem to have the right mindset

TMC,

Are you a ...... REAL gun person???

Angel
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teedubbya wrote:
It's for your own good regardless of party now stfu and blow.

"Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!"
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Insult Weapons are next... soon 'you're momma's so fat' jokes will be hate crimes... Mellow

Visionary Drafter - visionary.....
ZRX1200 Offline
#146 Posted:
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American gun owners are beginning to respond with a fresh, powerful argument when facing anti-gun liberals. Here it is, in its entirety. Ready?

“Screw you.” That’s it. Except the first word isn’t “Screw.”

It’s not exactly a traditional argument, but it’s certainly appropriate here. The fact is that there is no point in arguing with liberal gun-control advocates because their argument is never in good faith. They slander gun owners as murderers. They lie about their ultimate aim, which is to ban and confiscate all privately owned weapons. And they adopt a pose of reasonability, yet their position is not susceptible to change because of evidence, facts or law. None of those matter – they already have their conclusion. This has to do with power – their power.

You can’t argue with someone who is lying about his position or whose position is not based upon reason. You can talk all day about how crime has diminished where concealed carry is allowed, while it flourishes in Democrat blue cities where gun control is tightest. You can point to statistics showing that law-abiding citizens who carry legally are exponentially less likely to commit gun crimes than other people. You can cite examples of armed citizens protecting themselves and their communities with guns. You can offer government statistics showing how the typical American is at many times greater risk of death from an automobile crash, a fall, or poisoning than from murder by gun.

But none of that matters, because this debate is not about facts. It’s about power. The liberal anti-gun narrative is not aimed at creating the best public policy but at disarming citizens the liberal elite looks down upon – and for whom weapons represent their last-ditch ability to respond to liberal overreach.

Put simply, liberal elitists don’t like the fact that, at the end of the day, an armed citizenry can tell them, “No.”

So they argue in bad faith, shamelessly lying, libeling their opponents, and hiding their real endgame. Sure, sometimes the mask slips and a liberal politician like Mike Bloomberg or Diane Feinstein reveals their true agenda, but mostly they stay on-message.

For example, Barack Obama, who always tries to reassure us bitter clingers that he doesn’t want to take our guns, speaks longingly about the Australian plan – which was confiscation of most viable defensive weapons from the civilian population.

Obama is lying – about gay marriage, about your doctor – and he is likewise lying about guns. The minute he could disarm every American civilian he would, something particularly alarming in light of his pal Bill Ayers’ infamous observation that ‘fundamentally transforming’ America would require killing at least 25 million citizens.

No wonder free Americans are done pretending the gun argument is a rational debate and are responding with an extended middle finger – and the challenge to come and take their arms. The fact remains that any outright attempt to take the arms from tens of millions of American gun owners would almost certainly result in a second Civil War. And we all know how the first Civil War went for the Democrats.

So, through a campaign of shaming, dissembling, and outright slander, liberals are trying to talk Americans into giving up their weapons voluntarily. There’s always another “common sense” restriction to enact, spurred on by a tragedy that the last “common sense” restriction didn’t prevent and that the proposed new “common sense” restriction would not have prevented. They want to do it in baby steps, and with our cooperation, since they cannot do it by force.

There are a few people arguing in good faith, but it’s too late. Liberal writer Kurt Eichenwald recently wrote a “compromise” proposal to settle the gun issue that was notable because he actually analyzed gun freedom arguments and agreed with some of them. He cited the silliness of the “assault weapons” and “cop killer” bullet lies. While he still rejects 30 round capacity magazines, he began with opposition to silencers and then, after hearing facts and evidence from knowledgeable gun owners, changed his position. That’s good faith, the threshold requirement for a real debate, but Eichenwald mistakenly assumes this is a debate based upon reason between good faith opponents. It’s not. It’s based upon the desire of liberals for total supremacy.

So until the gun control argument becomes a real argument instead of a transparent power grab, there’s only one appropriate response to liberal gun banners. And it’s similar to “Screw you.”
tonygraz Offline
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Instead of Obama phones, we should give everyone in the country an assault rifle. With all the good guys having guns, what could possibly go wrong ? We could then disband the army since we will have an armed militia to defend the country, as intended by the 2nd amendment.
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Troll in effect.
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#149 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Instead of Obama phones, we should give everyone in the country an assault rifle. With all the good guys having guns, what could possibly go wrong ? We could then disband the army since we will have an armed militia to defend the country, as intended by the 2nd amendment.


No, they can get a job, earn the money and buy their own firearms, assuming they pass a background check and any other BS hoops liberal anti gunners expect them to jump through.


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#150 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
American gun owners are beginning to respond with a fresh, powerful argument when facing anti-gun liberals. Here it is, in its entirety. Ready?

“Screw you.” That’s it. Except the first word isn’t “Screw.”

It’s not exactly a traditional argument, but it’s certainly appropriate here. The fact is that there is no point in arguing with liberal gun-control advocates because their argument is never in good faith. They slander gun owners as murderers. They lie about their ultimate aim, which is to ban and confiscate all privately owned weapons. And they adopt a pose of reasonability, yet their position is not susceptible to change because of evidence, facts or law. None of those matter – they already have their conclusion. This has to do with power – their power.

You can’t argue with someone who is lying about his position or whose position is not based upon reason. You can talk all day about how crime has diminished where concealed carry is allowed, while it flourishes in Democrat blue cities where gun control is tightest. You can point to statistics showing that law-abiding citizens who carry legally are exponentially less likely to commit gun crimes than other people. You can cite examples of armed citizens protecting themselves and their communities with guns. You can offer government statistics showing how the typical American is at many times greater risk of death from an automobile crash, a fall, or poisoning than from murder by gun.

But none of that matters, because this debate is not about facts. It’s about power. The liberal anti-gun narrative is not aimed at creating the best public policy but at disarming citizens the liberal elite looks down upon – and for whom weapons represent their last-ditch ability to respond to liberal overreach.

Put simply, liberal elitists don’t like the fact that, at the end of the day, an armed citizenry can tell them, “No.”

So they argue in bad faith, shamelessly lying, libeling their opponents, and hiding their real endgame. Sure, sometimes the mask slips and a liberal politician like Mike Bloomberg or Diane Feinstein reveals their true agenda, but mostly they stay on-message.

For example, Barack Obama, who always tries to reassure us bitter clingers that he doesn’t want to take our guns, speaks longingly about the Australian plan – which was confiscation of most viable defensive weapons from the civilian population.

Obama is lying – about gay marriage, about your doctor – and he is likewise lying about guns. The minute he could disarm every American civilian he would, something particularly alarming in light of his pal Bill Ayers’ infamous observation that ‘fundamentally transforming’ America would require killing at least 25 million citizens.

No wonder free Americans are done pretending the gun argument is a rational debate and are responding with an extended middle finger – and the challenge to come and take their arms. The fact remains that any outright attempt to take the arms from tens of millions of American gun owners would almost certainly result in a second Civil War. And we all know how the first Civil War went for the Democrats.

So, through a campaign of shaming, dissembling, and outright slander, liberals are trying to talk Americans into giving up their weapons voluntarily. There’s always another “common sense” restriction to enact, spurred on by a tragedy that the last “common sense” restriction didn’t prevent and that the proposed new “common sense” restriction would not have prevented. They want to do it in baby steps, and with our cooperation, since they cannot do it by force.

There are a few people arguing in good faith, but it’s too late. Liberal writer Kurt Eichenwald recently wrote a “compromise” proposal to settle the gun issue that was notable because he actually analyzed gun freedom arguments and agreed with some of them. He cited the silliness of the “assault weapons” and “cop killer” bullet lies. While he still rejects 30 round capacity magazines, he began with opposition to silencers and then, after hearing facts and evidence from knowledgeable gun owners, changed his position. That’s good faith, the threshold requirement for a real debate, but Eichenwald mistakenly assumes this is a debate based upon reason between good faith opponents. It’s not. It’s based upon the desire of liberals for total supremacy.

So until the gun control argument becomes a real argument instead of a transparent power grab, there’s only one appropriate response to liberal gun banners. And it’s similar to “Screw you.”



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