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DrMaddVibe Offline
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For White People Who Want to Attend #BlackLivesMatter Protests


In the last two years that I’ve organized around antiblack violence and within the #BlackLivesMatter movement, I’ve witnessed white people showing up more and more to protests and rallies. At first, when we were protesting for Mike Brown for months in 2014, personally I was a lot more open to welcoming white allies who wanted to come out and help us fight. My personal/political naiveté and the need for more bodies trumped questioning their motives in the heat of the moment of something so important.

But after a while, I started realizing that trying to work with white people in direct actions became extremely triggering and tasking. I would witness many white people show up and want to be in the front — not to protect us, but to be visible and be in a photo. There would be swarms of white anarchists showing up, chanting “**** the Police,” completely disrupting our original chants and heightening the potential for violence against the Black protestors. Easily though, the anarchists almost outdo the groups of #AllLivesMatter folks who come out to walk in the protest but miss the entire point — even when most of the Black people call them out.

Then there’s the white folks that show up ready to antagonize us and insert their opinion about how Black people are navigating their pain and oppression. From “We all just need to love each other!” and “This is a class issue!” and “No more violence! *Insert MLK quote*”

Related: My Dilemma: I Hate White Supremacy, but Do I Really Hate White People?

To many Black folks at these rallies though, we are openly and publicly grieving. Our protests and rebellions are out of channeling our trauma into action that is a form of healing, strategy and moving through pain. We are marching, yelling, singing, physically and mentally exhausted because WHITE PEOPLE ARE KILLING US. So when I see white people show up to rally excited and smiling, ready to march like it’s a hobby — I’m disgusted and absolutely **** livid. When I witness white people taking up space, pushing myths of whiteness as political truth or using white saviorism to reframe their power and privilege, I’m ready to fight.

The fact that white people show up to these rallies as if it’s a **** BBQ (cause you know y’all don’t have cookouts), chanting Assata’s words, saying “we have nothing to lose but our chains,” I’m actually retraumatized by how comfortable white people are in not doing anything to change their violence. These marches are funerals for us. Black people are being murdered, violated and oppressed every day. We are literally in mourning every minute of our lives.

These realities alone prove that intentionality is everything at this point. Right now, we’re in a political moment in which a lot of our intersecting Black movements are at a boiling point. This work has been a continuous effort of many generations, over many centuries of antiblack oppression; but right now, we are at an evolution and mutation of what antiblack racism looks like in this sociopolitical moment and how we have analyzed its depth level within our society institutionally and interpersonally.

White people are 400 years too **** late for a round of applause for a damn tweet with a hashtag, or for showing up to a damn rally. So many white folks use politicization around #BlackLivesMatter to perform woke-ness because they are still praised in doing so. There is a special snowflake card issued to every white person who goes above existing in silence. But the reality is that even when white people “speak up,” those words are often plagiarized from us, they’re almost always given without citation or credit to whichever Black person they heard/read it from and they are almost always in a position to do more than just “talk.” Here are the things that matter the most at this point in time for white people who want to show up to a #BlackLivesMatter protest:

1. Ask yourself why you need to go to a #blacklivesmatter protest.

Unless Black organizers have specified that you need to come to a rally for buffers against the police, as a legal observer, or to collect other white people, why are you going to a protest when you’re the oppressor? If you really believe that #BlackLivesMatter, ask yourself if you’re willing to die for us and to die to dismantle this system. Are you willing to learn everything possible about antiblackness and its many forms so that you can dismantle it? Are you willing to give up everything you have to make sure Black people can survive, thrive and be safe? If you cannot answer yes to ALL of these questions, you don’t need to be at a protest. There are more ways to actually use your privilege and more ways to challenge the antiblack violence embedded within you without being at a protest that you serve no purpose for. Your presence only triggers the black people that are frightened by you, and you actually don’t change anything by being at a protest if there is no work to match your visibility.

2. Reparations.

Nothing you have is yours. Let me be clear: Nothing you have is yours. Also, Let me be see through: Reparations are not donations, because we are not your charity, tax write off, or good deed for the day. You are living off of stolen resources, stolen land, exploited labor, appropriated culture and the murder of our people. Nothing you have is yours.

Reparations for us are not only necessary because we are economically harmed, exploited and stolen from — while the violence against us is never acknowledged — but because in order for us to create and move work for Black liberation, it requires resources and MONEY. We live in a white supremacist capitalist world, so ain’t no spinning webs of lies around “money isn’t the answer.” It is because money and exploitation and power are interconnected concepts of violence. Y’all spent hundreds of years selling, mutilating, raping and beating our bodies and labor but you think money doesn’t matter to our freedom and liberation? Cute. Write me a check for this shade because it comes with 400 years of trauma.

We need housing, transportation, food, clothes, free space for meetings and work space; we need laptops, cell phones, encrypted systems for communication, solar power and LAND. Stop playing. Y’all really thought pulling up to the protest in your Hyundai was gonna be enough? Nah. You have to give us everything we need and more, because even if it means you go without — it doesn’t matter because that’s how we been living for 400+ years. Reparations will never be negotiable. So if you’re not willing to talk money, you are not here for #BlackLivesMatter as a movement or for us as individuals.

3. Intentional acts of disruption and shifting of structural power.

What would happen if white allies teamed up to shut down and boycott white businesses instead of Black folks having to do it? What would happen if white allies gave all their money to Black folks? What would happen if white allies held businesses that profited from slave labor and slave money accountable? What would happen if white allies shut down police stations and highways across the nation for #BlackLivesMatter until each state demilitarized and defunded the police? What if white allies used violence as a tactic against other white people perpetuating violence against Blacks?

Shifting structural power is key. Reparations falls in line with that as well. I don’t want to see white people holding up a damn sign, I want to see white people doing work that will get them killed because that’s how much they want to dismantle antiblackness. Are you willing to die for us? Because Black folks have a death count of 7 million and up. Are you willing to kill for us? Because we get called violent for protesting “peacefully.” At this point, ain’t no white allyship, b. You either an accomplice (and even then, I don’t trust you) or you ain’t ****.

4. See #1.

If you think you need to be at a rally because you “care so much,” then why haven’t you done the work away from social media and camera crews? Doing the work behind “scenes” and working with Black folks who live this and breathe this everyday would convince you how much you never need to be at a protest unless you have a specified, designated role. Ask yourself if you care more about what the world thinks of you or if you care about the safety and protection of Black lives. What is the truth, boo? If you do decide to go to a protest, be ready to write checks and give up your car keys. Be ready to connect with other white people to start planning a highway shut down so that you can involve yourself with the high risk that would harm us more when we do it. Like I said, if you not about this ****, DON’T GO.

Whiteness operates in a way that means that using your privilege “for good” often requires Black folks to still be a position to be “saved” or “in need.” We don’t need white saviorism. We don’t need white people to speak for us. We don’t even really need white people to show up to rallies. We need our reparations, we need intentional disruption that involves high risk and we need y’all to stop playing.

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/white-people-blacklivesmatter-protests



Can you imagine the outrage if anyone with a different skin color were to do or say the EXACT same thing?
Speyside Offline
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^ Doc, you are correct.
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted:
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Who exactly posted this and does it carry any legitimacy or is it a fringe effer who doesn't represent any importance. Because you are right dmv. It's garbage.
calavera Offline
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What an amazingly racist rant.







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DrafterX Offline
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maybe the white protesters are Irish... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
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#3 TW

Has a great point ^^^^

I HAVE LEARNED THE HARD WAY...

Many things in history were "false flag operations"

Look at the violence this year at TRUMP Rallies
Most of that was political operatives paying thugs in cash to disrupt TRUMPS rallies.

VERY RICH AND/or POWERFUL PEOPLE WILL DO ANYTHING, BREAK ANY LAW TO GET THEIR WAY.

THE FBI/SSG DIVISION IS A PRIME EXAMPLE

this article could be real or a "plant"...
Whoever wrote it PUSHES MANY WHITE BUTTONS
SOOO,
ask yourself why???
But many parts are sort of real...

I myself avoid ANY AND ALL PROTESTS,
there is no future in it.
tailgater Offline
#7 Posted:
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It's a fake.
#1 would have been: "Ax yourself..."



Speyside Offline
#8 Posted:
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True, true
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Who exactly posted this and does it carry any legitimacy or is it a fringe effer who doesn't represent any importance. Because you are right dmv. It's garbage.



"Ashleigh Shackelford is a queer, agender, Black fat femme writer, artist and cultural producer. As a contributing writer at Wear Your Voice, Ashleigh covers the intersections of race politics and body positivtiy, LGBTQ issues, Entertainment and Feminism. Ashleigh is also a contributor at For Harriet and the creator of Free Figure Revolution, a body positivity organization. She is currently working on her M.A. in Africana Studies at Morgan State University."

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/team/ashleigh-shackelford

Articles by Ashleigh Shackelford

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/body-politics/dani-mathers-sexual-predator

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/we-were-never-meant-to-survive-on-considering-suicide-in-a-world-designed-to-kill-us

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http://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/ask-ashleigh-expect-white-allies

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/more/politics/call-culture-effectiveness-accountability-dragging-faves-transformative-growth

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/more/entertainment/bittersweet-like-lemonade-aint-made-fat-black-women-femmes

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/body-politics/the-body-positivity-movement-still-looks-like-white-feminism-the-lie-about-fat-women-of-color-being-more-accepted

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/body-politics/ask-ashleigh-how-can-you-love-yourself-if-youre-not-healthy

http://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/ask-ashleigh-gaps-commercial-teach-us-misogynoir-media

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This mouth breathing blob fancies herself to be the mocha version Rikki Lake while pinballing into the insanity of Mr. Kardashian for legitimacy with bags of hammers.

Someone gave her a pc and like the chicken that plays tic tac toe it pecks away and sometimes makes words. I don't believe this random word race baiting generator could beat the chicken or little kids at tic tac toe though. Now, the people that gave her the platform and that continue to let her contribute her journalistic hack skills in race relations, gender identity and fat love...who knows why they do what they do, but she's definitely got a voice and they want it heard.
riverdog Offline
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Mehhh, coulda been writtenby David Duke, just substitute appropriate racial references.
cacman Offline
#11 Posted:
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When you act like animals, don't complain when you're treated like one.

Black on black violence takes more black lives than whites do. But nobody sees anything. Until you stop killing each other... STFU

And pull your f*ckin pants up!
bgz Offline
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Wow, that was pretty f'in racist. I stopped about half way through, if the last half was like the first half...
DrMaddVibe Offline
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bgz wrote:
Wow, that was pretty f'in racist. I stopped about half way through, if the last half was like the first half...



Seriously...read it all.

It's bad, but it's informative.

BLM has earned their spot on an organized terror watch list. With hate speech like the OP...the nut doesn't fall far from the tree.
Brewha Offline
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Reparations?

It is a novel idea - the children of salve owners pay the slaves children. If it ever gains traction the Indian Nations could be first in line.....
Brewha Offline
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Reading it I had to wonder if it was written by a white supremacist to engender hatred towards blacks.


-Nawh, their not that smart....
bgz Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Seriously...read it all.

It's bad, but it's informative.

BLM has earned their spot on an organized terror watch list. With hate speech like the OP...the nut doesn't fall far from the tree.


Ok, read it, 2nd half was worse than the first.
victor809 Offline
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Meh...
It's whiny and wants to lump all white people into the same category and blame all of them for the actions of some to justify her position.

But is that any different than cacmans post in 11? Not really. Is anyone surprised that every group of humans has it's own subset of people who are generally going to be wrong when they open their mouths?
Gene363 Offline
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Iff there ever is a Zombie apocalypse there will be Zombie rights advocates. d'oh!
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https://www.google.com/search?q=ashleigh+shackelford&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP48WFyPvNAhWp54MKHb8xBJUQ_AUIBygB&biw=414&bih=628#imgrc=B9VU2Tqv5IuMKM%3A


Lol. I'd be mad too.
cacman Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Meh...
It's whiny and wants to lump all white people into the same category and blame all of them for the actions of some to justify her position.

But is that any different than cacmans post in 11? Not really. Is anyone surprised that every group of humans has it's own subset of people who are generally going to be wrong when they open their mouths?

The difference is my statement are based on facts. The majority of the crimes committed are by blacks, therefore blacks are incarcerated more than whites. It's not rocket science.

You want to talk reparations??? The black community has a ton of balls asking for reparations. They've already been paid and apologized to by our guberment. By their own statements above they don't own anything that belongs to them either. The black community conveniently forgets that white America raped, pillaged and plundered the Native Americans long before slavery even hit the US shore. The blacks where fortunate that a white American President set them free, allowed them to vote, and own land without forcing them onto a Reservation like we did with the native Americans. You want to blame someone for slavery then start with their native African country and others that continued to support slavery long after the US stopped.

The Black Lives Matter "movement" is a joke and doesn't deserve any more recognition than the KKK. IIRC the BLM movement was started by a white guy who "identified" as black, as is currently serving time in jail for another unrelated charge.
teedubbya Offline
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"The majority of the crimes are by blacks" is not a fact. At best it's unproven at worst it's patently false. Anyone whose done any formal research can tear that comment apart in two seconds.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Depends on where.
victor809 Offline
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cacman wrote:
The difference is my statement are based on facts. The majority of the crimes committed are by blacks, therefore blacks are incarcerated more than whites. It's not rocket science.

You want to talk reparations??? The black community has a ton of balls asking for reparations. They've already been paid and apologized to by our guberment. By their own statements above they don't own anything that belongs to them either. The black community conveniently forgets that white America raped, pillaged and plundered the Native Americans long before slavery even hit the US shore. The blacks where fortunate that a white American President set them free, allowed them to vote, and own land without forcing them onto a Reservation like we did with the native Americans. You want to blame someone for slavery then start with their native African country and others that continued to support slavery long after the US stopped.

The Black Lives Matter "movement" is a joke and doesn't deserve any more recognition than the KKK. IIRC the BLM movement was started by a white guy who "identified" as black, as is currently serving time in jail for another unrelated charge.


facts?
The only actual "fact" (as in something that can be proven or disproven by data) is your first sentence (and as TW put it, you're likely quoting an incorrect "fact"). The rest is just your opinion or point of view you are calling a "fact".

Second, you did it again. One black woman writes an opinion saying blacks deserve reparations and you've now expanded that to "The black community has a ton of balls asking for reparations"..... since when does her opinion represent the entire black community? second, you're now of the opinion that a protest group who's entire plank is "blacks being killed by cops in situations where whites wouldnt' be normally killed is a bad thing"... and you've decided thats equivalent to the KKK?
cacman Offline
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No one perpetuates the racism between black, white, or brown, more than the black community.It's just not s single woman's or my opinion.This is the problem. Mo one will accept it for what it is.
victor809 Offline
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Mhmm... That's your "fact"? Care to show where this" fact" was proven? You know... Other than "everyone knows this"
victor809 Offline
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And that doesn't even take into account that you're neatly trying to ignore that you clearly extrapolated one woman's writing about reparations into "the black community" demanding reparations... Does that mean that "the entire white community" likes to make sweeping judgements about entire races based on a single individual, just because you do?
bgz Offline
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Curiosity got the best of me...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

Breakdown:

White (non-hispanic) 39%
Hispanic: 19%
Black: 40%

Keep in mind, this doesn't prove that blacks do more crime, but what it does prove is that they're more likely to get caught.
cacman Offline
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Never heard of "white priviledge" until Obama became elected.

Not until the black community quits blaming whites in the US for slavery (and not other countries) and everything they feel is wrong with how their community is treated, instead of looking at how their "community" acts nothing will change. Reparations "for labor, for loss of culture and of humanity" as Robert Brock puts it. In 1988, the United States agreed to pay $20,000 to more than 100,000 ... Robinson argues that blacks today still bear the scars of slavery and the decades of discrimination. Where are the reparations for the Italians, Poles, Jews, Irish, and native Americans? Ironic that the native Americans are now allowed to own Casinos while Indian Reservations are still in action.

http://www.crf-usa.org/brown-v-board-50th-anniversary/reparations-for-slavery-reading.html
After the passage of the 13th Amendment following the Civil War, should the former slaves have been granted reparations?
How are reparations for black slavery similar and different from the following:
a. reparations paid by the U.S. government to the Sioux Indians for lands illegally confiscated in 1877?
b. reparations paid by the West German government to Jewish survivors of Nazi concentration camps?
c. reparations paid by the U.S. government to Japanese Americans interned unconstitutionally in prison camps during World War II?

Many people and groups have voiced their opposition to the whole idea of slavery reparations. Major arguments against reparations include:
- There are no black slaves living today. Slavery ended more than 160 years ago at the cost of several hundred thousand lives lost in the Civil War. It is unfair to ask American taxpayers, many of them from families that came to the United States after slavery ended, to pay for the wrongs of slavery.
- The problems faced by African Americans today are not the "legacy of slavery" or even racism. Many blacks have succeeded very well in American society. The problems of poor African Americans are caused by social ills within the inner city, such as the breakdown of families, high crime rates, and dependence on welfare. Welfare is a form of submissive slavery to the guberment.
victor809 Offline
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.... none of which has anything to do with answering any of my statements.
cacman Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
"The majority of the crimes are by blacks" is not a fact. At best it's unproven at worst it's patently false. Anyone whose done any formal research can tear that comment apart in two seconds.

New DOJ Statistics on Race and Violent Crime
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
First, we find that during the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks. This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites. This figure is consistent with reports from 2008, the last year DOJ released similar statistics. Perhaps not coincidentally, that was the year Mr. Obama was elected president.

What percentage of crimes are committed by black?
Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides. In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.

The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.

Homicide
According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. (It should be noted that Hispanics are considered White in the statistics). The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
teedubbya Offline
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Cacman why don't you put together your hypothesis then support and prove it with those statistics LMAO. You will drop the Mike and walk away so right that everyone in the room will be laughing. You are missing some very simple concepts which is sort of fun.
gummy jones Offline
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cacman wrote:

Despite making up just 13% of the population...


we can say the numbers are skewed all we want
but the above is the most damning statistic


the truth of the matter is very sad as no one treats blacks worse than blacks.

if you are a black person lucky enough to make it out of your mothers womb and then lucky enough to make it out of the exploitative black on black crime in your neighborhood...

heck if you can do that then you can do anything
teedubbya Offline
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One of my projects in my undergrad statistics course was race and crime. It was decades ago but I still remember it pretty clearly. It's a very complex data set riddled with issues to account for in the data, the collection of the data, gaps in the data and what the data really means (how do you define crime, what's included/excluded etc). Abrig could tell you some of the issues with data collection (reporting) alone. Way too many issues to deal with in this format. It was fascinating and would have been fun to keep working with but didn't fit my path.

I remember a cacman type project that "proved" religion caused crime because there was a direct relationship between an increase in the number of churches and the increase in violent crime. Real study.....really flawed.

Cacman your statement, as you specifically worded it, at best has never been proven at worst is patently false. Many have tried. If you can prove it you should do so and collect some coin. Maybe you can get it published in skinhead weakly.
teedubbya Offline
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Gummy that same stat is used to prove they are disproportionally criminals or disproportionally targeted or oppressed and either side is so sure the proved it.

The black on black thing is a very real issue to be addressed but it isn't either or. Until you stop this, that other thing is acceptable. It's used as a red herring. There are attempts to address black on black violence (which may reflect another numerical concentration or proximity issue). It is not simply being ignored by those communities or anyone else. From a socioeconomic standpoint it may not get the resources or attention from the people that could make a difference however. Meh.

To use that (not suggesting you are) to justify something else (like they need to clean their own house before I listen to their grievances) is simply convenient and unrelated. It's not mutually exclusive and both can be addressed.
teedubbya Offline
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All that aside it's probably good cacman moved in an attempt to avoid black people driven by his perception of their genetic predisposition for certain diseases. While I'm not big on segregation there are segments of both races that are probably better off separated. Those segments are more similar than different.

cacman wrote:
One of the reasons I moved to CO, and above 5,000ft. Sickle Cell is a bitch.
ZRX1200 Offline
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IMO the problem has been jobs and culture. Both of which, if you look deep enough, have been from one source.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
IMO the problem has been jobs and culture. Both of which, if you look deep enough, have been from one source.


breakdown of the family unit

Ram27 Offline
#38 Posted:
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Please provide cliff note version for this entire thread. Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall

Pray
opelmanta1900 Offline
#39 Posted:
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Ram27 wrote:
Please provide cliff note version for this entire thread. Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall

Pray


cacman hates black people

tw is always right in the court of tw

victor is a troll, but an accurate one
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted:
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That pretty well sums it up LOL
Brewha Offline
#41 Posted:
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Damn - I miss everything....
victor809 Offline
#42 Posted:
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I can't disagree with opel's summary. Except he left out how good looking I am... But that's sure to come up in another thread.
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted:
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That's part of being accurate and stuff.
victor809 Offline
#44 Posted:
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I really need to be careful or I'll catch the sickle cell and won't be able to visit Colorado.
teedubbya Offline
#45 Posted:
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that was about the only thing he said that was correct. Hes obviously given it thought.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#46 Posted:
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I wanted to make a joke about a house surrounded with a circle of end-to-end doughboy's but it's just not coming to me...
teedubbya Offline
#47 Posted:
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ok
ZRX1200 Offline
#48 Posted:
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Gummy, the family unit is a symptom.
Ram27 Offline
#49 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
cacman hates black people

tw is always right in the court of tw

victor is a troll, but an accurate one





[salute]
TMCTLT Offline
#50 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Meh...
It's whiny and wants to lump all white people into the same category and blame all of them for the actions of some to justify her position.

But is that any different than cacmans post in 11? Not really. Is anyone surprised that every group of humans has it's own subset of people who are generally going to be wrong when they open their mouths?



Yeah....the ONLY real difference is Carl is NOT running a racist blog for his followers to get their marching orders from....he is just fed up with our current situation that the Divider im Chief has created under his watch and allowing his feelings to get the best of him.

But yeah....it's the same


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