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RMAN4443 Offline
#51 Posted: Sat, Jul 29 2017, 8:43 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
maybe a few, but I suspect they mostly represent those that have been completely ignored here...female to male.
All focus seems to be on d-ickectomy only.

and yes, oddly enough the military does seem better at integrating than society in general.

Yeah, no one thinks about the Addadicktomes Not talking
frankj1 Offline
#52 Posted: Sat, Jul 29 2017, 9:06 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Yeah, no one thinks about the Addadicktomes Not talking

excellent!
bgz Offline
#53 Posted: Sat, Jul 29 2017, 10:05 PM EST
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That's what we need, a few platoons of trans chicks pumped up on testosterone on their periods.

Drop them right int he middle of the sh1t and watch the magic happen :D
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#54 Posted: Sun, Jul 30 2017, 6:03 AM EST
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MAMGA
delta1 Offline
#55 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 6:44 PM EST
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US Military to President Trump: "Not so fast, Sir".

No policy changes regarding the military and its treatment of its transgender soldiers are planned after Trump's "ban".
teedubbya Offline
#56 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 7:09 PM EST
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You mean tweets ain't orders?

Trump might cry. He is a small little scared man and the homophobic pence might spank him if they don't obey.
Brewha Offline
#57 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 8:25 PM EST
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Trump was jilted by a tranny.....
Just before the tweet.
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 8:28 PM EST
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How would you feel if you tried to grab ***** and got a handful of junk?
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 8:34 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
How would you feel if you tried to grab ***** and got a handful of junk?


who are you asking?
Brewha Offline
#60 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 9:15 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
How would you feel if you tried to grab ***** and got a handful of junk?


Well, obviously that "would not be fair to the President".
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 9:53 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
How would you feel if you tried to grab ***** and got a handful of junk?




Sounds like a typical monday
jjanecka Offline
#62 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 10:28 PM EST
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Well I'm pretty sure that the dude would be in pretty immense pain from a ***** grab because you'd hit him square in the nuts so it would still be worth it. At least to me.
bgz Offline
#63 Posted: Mon, Jul 31 2017, 10:56 PM EST
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All I saw in that commend was jjan would rather grab nuts.
frankj1 Offline
#64 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 7:43 AM EST
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I believe he said "worth it"!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#65 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 7:45 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
How would you feel if you tried to grab ***** and got a handful of junk?



You mean the ol "Georgetown Grab"?

It'll bring a tear to their eye.
DrafterX Offline
#66 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 8:31 AM EST
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So, Obama says it's ok for Trannys to use the military to get their operations and the world laughs... Trump attempts to correct the situation to the joy of most military personnel and cigar forum contributors but he's an idiot because it was his idea.... Think
bgz Offline
#67 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 8:45 AM EST
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I know right, they should be wanting to give jjan a career change as pro package checker.

WTF is wrong with these PC clowns that have no concept of real life... JJAN needs a job!
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:01 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
So, Obama says it's ok for Trannys to use the military to get their operations and the world laughs... Trump attempts to correct the situation to the joy of most military personnel and cigar forum contributors but he's an idiot because it was his idea.... Think



If the issue is their surgery or inability to serve I'm on board. Let's take a substantive approach to the issue and address it.

If the issue knee jerk orders by tweet and apparently no consultation with with senior military folk to stir up part of his base or various phobes out there then President Busey is just walking in his clown shoes again.

I'm for anyone unable to perform their duties for whatever reason not being in the military. I'd also be cool with the military not paying for the innie or outie surgery. Not so much on another of President Clownshoes "bans" by tweet.
bgz Offline
#69 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:06 AM EST
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Well, to be fair, the policy to allow them should never have been implemented in the first place. IMO this is a fix to a mistake that shouldn't have been, not a knee jerk reaction.
teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:11 AM EST
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You are right in one regard. There should be no policy either way. You are either able to serve or not. So yea I can see not needing a policy saying they can. However a policy (by tweet or otherwise) specifically excluding them is not a fix and the clown shoe's tweet is nothing more but red meat to the ugliest part of his base.
teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:15 AM EST
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But it sure is shiney.

I am amazed at the number of people willing to trade in their integrity to justify Trump. I especially get a kick of the respect the office rationalization following the vitriol over the last 8 years and the blatant acceptance of nonsensical claims against Obama.

Obama sucked. Trump sucks. It's not either or. Railing against one is not supporting the other.
TMCTLT Offline
#72 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:29 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Well, to be fair, the policy to allow them should never have been implemented in the first place. IMO this is a fix to a mistake that shouldn't have been, not a knee jerk reaction.



Yessir Beer

Just fixing what Bathhouse Barry implemented during his " FEEL GOOD ADMIN. "



teedubbya wrote:
But it sure is shiney.

I am amazed at the number of people willing to trade in their integrity to justify OBAMA. I especially get a kick of the respect the office rationalization following the vitriol over the last 8 years and the blatant acceptance of nonsensical claims against Obama.

Obama sucked. Trump sucks. It's not either or. Railing against one is not supporting the other.



As am I....for Eight loooong years we saw far too many Americans try to " justify " that SOB...hell they still do!!!!
He SUCKED....as did most if not all of his policies.
dstieger Offline
#73 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:35 AM EST
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I agree with you, TW.

But it still gets into matters of emotion and personal bias... beyond facts and genetics...when you pull the thread just a little.

Which assumptions are ok with 'most' (normal?) people? And then once you have your list, what directions do you go?

-transgender is choice? or state of being? or what?

-is it ok for them to serve....does it depend on how you answer the former question?

-if not choice, would you feel that they deserve 'treatment'...whatever that means...hormones, surgery, etc.?

I think the tweet was dumb... and, I am of the mind that transgendered should probably be allowed to serve....
-I think that for some, there wasn't a choice involved
So, it might be a bit irrational for me to say "let 'em serve, but no operations on my dime"...but, that's where I'm at right now.

Right now, I don't think its a disqualifying condition. But, if taxpayers would fund operations (and maybe even hormones), then I would change my answer. And I'd be ok with the apparent hypocrisy. There's lots of other disqualifying factors, many because future medical costs to fix/contain, etc. If being transgender is not a choice...and it would be unethical to withhold medical 'treatment', then...I say keep them out in the first place...and perhaps even consider kicking them out?

I don't know that there's a lot of risk of it...but I certainly don't want transgender people enlisting primarily because they think they can get a free sex change operation
DrafterX Offline
#74 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:43 AM EST
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What's also interesting was if you did disagree with Obama you were immediately cast as a racist.. that is one of the double-standards we see today... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:49 AM EST
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The automatically cast as a racist came more as a defensive pre entice move than from reality. It's a tool and so are you.

That's it drafter this is a throw down Mr poopy pants.
DrafterX Offline
#76 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:50 AM EST
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Screw you Bassard..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:51 AM EST
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Fu and your mama

Stay golden pony boy
DrafterX Offline
#78 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:51 AM EST
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I'm telling Ram..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
#79 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:52 AM EST
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Eff ram too

He's a ramalama ding dong
DrafterX Offline
#80 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 11:56 AM EST
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Poor Ram... Sad



You wouldn't say that if he was in a wheelchair..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
#81 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:01 PM EST
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True true

I hear he has an innie and stuff
DrafterX Offline
#82 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:04 PM EST
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But he didn't serve during the Obama years..Mellow
bgz Offline
#83 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:10 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
But it sure is shiney.

I am amazed at the number of people willing to trade in their integrity to justify Trump. I especially get a kick of the respect the office rationalization following the vitriol over the last 8 years and the blatant acceptance of nonsensical claims against Obama.

Obama sucked. Trump sucks. It's not either or. Railing against one is not supporting the other.


I'm not justifying Trump. I'm talking about this policy.

Mental illness is already grounds to deny someone into the military. Gender Dysphoria is classified as a mental illness (as it should be... the decision to chop off body parts is not rational no matter how you try to justify it), therefore they should not be allowed.

The military is no place for PC pansy theatrics, their job is to kill sh1t, blow sh1t up, and figure out new and creative ways to kill and blow sh1t up.
DrafterX Offline
#84 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:15 PM EST
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TW used to blow up kitty-cats... Mad
teedubbya Offline
#85 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:19 PM EST
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What policy? It's a tweet.
Brewha Offline
#86 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:24 PM EST
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Well it D and TW are done with their 5 minute hurf –

The transgender "issue" is another red herring for the low brow folks to focus on.
As though if you were not physically capable to serve they would not discharge you.
And if you were mentally incapable the armed forces would also discharge you (unlike our executive branch of govmut).
TMCTLT Offline
#87 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:28 PM EST
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From the Sacramento Bee

uly 27, 2017 8:57 AM

There will be “no modifications” to the military’s transgender policies until Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis has actually received implementation guidelines from the White House, a top military official wrote Thursday.

Marine Gen. Joe Dunford wrote in a message to senior enlisted leaders that the military will continue to “treat all of our personnel with respect,” according to Politico.

“I know there are questions about yesterday’s announcement on the transgender policy by the President,” Dunford wrote in the message, according to Politico. “There will be no modifications to the current policy until the President's direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued implementation guidance.”

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article163933012.html#storylink=cpy



For anyone who doubts he'll follow through....it's but a matter of time.

Brewha Offline
#88 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:29 PM EST
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Yeah, Trump always keeps his word......
teedubbya Offline
#89 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:31 PM EST
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I don't doubt he'll follow through. But the tweet is red meat to help distract some of his base from his failures and incompetence
TMCTLT Offline
#90 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:36 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Well it D and TW are done with their 5 minute hurf –

The transgender "issue" is another red herring for the low brow folks to focus on.
As though if you were not physically capable to serve they would not discharge you.
And if you were mentally incapable the armed forces would also discharge you (unlike our executive branch of govmut).



Everything for you Progressives is a " red herring " issue, this IS about being mentally fir to serve and @ the same time NOT putting the taxpayer on the hook for their choice of ignoring their sex @ birth to have it changed to their SEX OF CHOICE.
With folks like yourself in positions of decision making in our government and since Barry's admin. in our military high command as well ( remember how many really good Generals Barry retired????)...of course you can make sense of this crap...Low Brow indeed.

If your worldview is considered " high brow " thinking......I'll happily remain Dumb as a box of rocks
teedubbya Offline
#91 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:39 PM EST
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You are doing a nice job of it lol

Couldn't resist
teedubbya Offline
#92 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:40 PM EST
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To each their own. I don't think it's mental illness but I don't have a monopoly on the truth
delta1 Offline
#93 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:40 PM EST
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Hope he consults with his crack Constitutional legal team before he sends his ''ban" in writing to the military...
teedubbya Offline
#94 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:41 PM EST
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I think at some point that thought process will be looked back on with embarrassment and folks will wonder how we didn't know any better.
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#95 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:41 PM EST
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What do you think their units symbol would be?
teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:44 PM EST
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A picture of drafter
TMCTLT Offline
#97 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:47 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think at some point that thought process will be looked back on with embarrassment and folks will wonder how we didn't know any better.



If your referencing peoples ability to IGNORE their sex @ birth and because the medical community is now WILLING to perform these needless surgeries to change that....I agree.


Well they'd would no longer have a " unit " but prolly the same sign they use now on some public bathrooms....
the half man ( pantleg ) / half woman ( skirt ) sketch or maybe just a giant Question Mark ?
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#98 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:50 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
A picture of drafter



Mad
bgz Offline
#99 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:55 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
To each their own. I don't think it's mental illness but I don't have a monopoly on the truth


Well, the pro head shrinks disagree with you... though I'm sure some biased far left leaning head shrinks might agree with you, but they're probably trans-gendered themselves.

All I know, is I haven't talked to an ex-mil yet that thinks it's a good idea to have trans people in the military.

Liberals try to push their agenda to all facets of life, some places are just not compatible with liberal ideologies, like the military!!!

Another one is Islam... but you guys will find out soon enough about that one... well, you won't, but you're great grand kids will.

Some places are not compatible with conservative ideologies either. I'm thinking rave parties (or what ever they're called these days)... crack houses, welfare offices, Berkely, etc...

Anyway, rant done.
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#100 Posted: Tue, Aug 1 2017, 12:55 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Everything for you Progressives is a " red herring " issue, this IS about being mentally fir to serve and @ the same time NOT putting the taxpayer on the hook for their choice of ignoring their sex @ birth to have it changed to their SEX OF CHOICE.
With folks like yourself in positions of decision making in our government and since Barry's admin. in our military high command as well ( remember how many really good Generals Barry retired????)...of course you can make sense of this crap...Low Brow indeed.

If your worldview is considered " high brow " thinking......I'll happily remain Dumb as a box of rocks

No, there are lots of real issues that are not red herrings. The Presidents business conflicts of interest for example. But I did say that some would distracted by the made up importance of the transgender issue - see I was right.
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