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Obama's Transgenders kicked out...
teedubbya Offline
#101 Posted:
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There are lots of folks against blacks, women and homos in there too. That doesn't make them right.

By the way I don't equate race with trannys but in here we decided being black is the equivalent of being homeless so there is that.
bgz Offline
#102 Posted:
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Wow, that was pretty racist.
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted:
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I didn't say I agreed with it but it was decided to be true in here. Altitude and stuff.
bgz Offline
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The whole point, is they tend to be mentally unstable. War causes mental instability, why would you want to put people who are already unstable into a situation that's going to really fk them up?

It just doesn't make any sense.
teedubbya Offline
#105 Posted:
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I guess I've not seen any good data finding them to tend to be more mentally unstable than anyone else. *shrug*. Typically those things are determined at the individual level rather than casting the label over groups of people.

teedubbya Offline
#106 Posted:
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But if a tranny is deemed unstable by all means exclude them. That goes for the surgery too.
Brewha Offline
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bgz wrote:
The whole point, is they tend to be mentally unstable. War causes mental instability, why would you want to put people who are already unstable into a situation that's going to really fk them up?

It just doesn't make any sense.

Isn't that like saying that women are more emotional than men and should not be in the service?
teedubbya Offline
#108 Posted:
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And black folk are too stupid to be QBs in the NFL.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#109 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
And black folk are too stupid to be QBs in the NFL.


No...THAT'S racist^^^
DrMaddVibe Offline
#110 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Isn't that like saying that women are more emotional than men and should not be in the service?


Most women don't have what you have in the emotional department.
DrafterX Offline
#111 Posted:
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Laugh
DrafterX Offline
#112 Posted:
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It's tough being a black quarterback in da NFL... Mellow
bgz Offline
#113 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I guess I've not seen any good data finding them to tend to be more mentally unstable than anyone else. *shrug*. Typically those things are determined at the individual level rather than casting the label over groups of people.



There is actually quite a bit of studies on this, they have a 40% probability of attempting suicide at some point in their life and that number goes up significantly once they actually do the transformation.

The numbers are there if you choose to look at them, or you can just keep saying you've never seen them for the sake of argument.
DrafterX Offline
#114 Posted:
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or he could just call Jade... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#115 Posted:
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Tranny's are just plain WACKED...

ONLY A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT WOULD BELIEVE
DIFFERENTLY

THEIR lives are all drama and too much work owning two wardrobes and trying to change appearance multiple times a day....

Just ask WHISTLEBRITCHES HOW FUN AND TIME
CONSUMING FBI-SSG AGENT "RIMJOBS" life is....
bgz Offline
#116 Posted:
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I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that there might be something mentally wrong with people who desire to mutilate themselves.

People are fked up, everyone is not created equal, if that were true, Trump could be a mime and Charles Barkley could be a pro golfer. Stop pretending everyone is equally equipped to go into any profession they choose just because it's the PC thing to do. It's just not true, no matter how you try to spin it.
teedubbya Offline
#117 Posted:
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Well I look at a lot of these studies as part of my profession and I'm always amazed at the conclusions people draw.

I've yet to see one that shows a higher propensity towards mental illness but apparantly you have more access to the data than I do.

Meh.
Mr. Jones Offline
#118 Posted:
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I HEARD YOU ^^^ like to "tuck and hide" your unit then send "fake male Bush" pictures
(with an R.E.I. CATALOG on your knees) to ZRX1200
teedubbya Offline
#119 Posted:
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Don't let your Caitlin fantasys creep in to your thoughts about me you sicko.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#120 Posted:
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Meet our new Secretary of Defense!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1dTQh5RST0

victor809 Offline
#121 Posted:
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I dunno bgz...
I did a search and the first study I found was from UCLA...
The info definitely showed a very high suicide rate (which would be expected for the same reasons there is a high suicide rate in gay teens) but the rate seemed highest at the "counseling" and "hormone treatment " stages and appears to go down after that. Not low by any stretch of the imagination.... but doesn't appear to increase following surgery.
dstieger Offline
#122 Posted:
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chicken or egg?

are they less than stable because of the pressures of a mean society?

or is society mean to them because they're different, less than stable and abby normal?



or, would they be unstable even without haters?


bgz Offline
#123 Posted:
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There's not as many studies that have been done for BIID as trans, but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that would make them appear similar.

I think if there were more studies done on the suicide attempt rates of BIID sufferers, they would find them to be similar.

As far as the info you read, I think we read different sources. Almost every source I've read says the rate goes up after surgery (yes, I read before I start spewing sh1t... usually).

IMO, if more studies were done, I think you would find that gender dysphoria and BIID are actually the same disorder.


Simple search gave me this (one of many):

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
TMCTLT Offline
#124 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
chicken or egg?

are they less than stable because of the pressures of a mean society?

or is society mean to them because they're different, less than stable and abby normal?



or, would they be unstable even without haters?





Ahhh yes, the Ole.....don't agree with us....we'll call you Haters routine....Nice!!!!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#125 Posted:
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hater...
dstieger Offline
#126 Posted:
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so...don't get fixated on my name calling...address the questions/points

....let's take the hypothetical effeminate guy from your high school days....I assume that he received some negative treatment at some point...you don't suspect that had any effect on his mental well-being?
bgz Offline
#127 Posted:
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Correlation is not causation. I've addressed points without calling anyone a name in this whole thread!!!

Damn, I'm getting rusty, fu azzholes.

There, I feel better now.
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted:
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^ phag
bgz Offline
#129 Posted:
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See, feels good don't it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#130 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
so...don't get fixated on my name calling...address the questions/points

....let's take the hypothetical effeminate guy from your high school days....I assume that he received some negative treatment at some point...you don't suspect that had any effect on his mental well-being?



Nope...he floated on air. Even went on to be on American Idol too!
TMCTLT Offline
#131 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
so...don't get fixated on my name calling...address the questions/points

....let's take the hypothetical effeminate guy from your high school days....I assume that he received some negative treatment at some point...you don't suspect that had any effect on his mental well-being?



Nope, his name was Phil Tone IIRC..... me and other buddies welcomed this guy who had trans...ferred ( couldn't hep masef lol) played guitars together in a larger group...he wasn't " looking for special treatment " and we treated him no differently than anyone else. But keep on selling the " picked on mantra " by all means.

And what about the mental well being of those who are forced out of their comfort zone in order to accommodate these tender flowers????
victor809 Offline
#132 Posted:
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... if you have a "comfort zone" then you are a tender flower.

Grow a pair
TMCTLT Offline
#133 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
... if you have a "comfort zone" then you are a tender flower.

Grow a pair



Golly Victor...when I do get my pair, will I too want to stomp on homeless dudes like you?

Your my HERO
bgz Offline
#134 Posted:
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I was more impressed with his ability to slip d1ck pics past the mods.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#135 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I was more impressed with his ability to slip d1ck pics past the mods.


So is he looking for another photo shoot?
teedubbya Offline
#136 Posted:
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We picked on the phags like nobody's business. I was part of it. Not proud of it just the honest truth.
DrafterX Offline
#137 Posted:
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I threw rocks at da buffalos... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#138 Posted:
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The buttfellows?
delta1 Offline
#139 Posted:
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I'm ashamed that I turned my back on guys who tried to befriend me but were seen as sissies by my other friends...

My little brother was gay, and that changed my perspective...I remember going looking for the kids who beat him while he walked home from school...
teedubbya Offline
#140 Posted:
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My buddies and I were merciless to the effeminate (presumed ghey). I don't really know why but we were.
frankj1 Offline
#141 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
My buddies and I were merciless to the effeminate (presumed ghey). I don't really know why but we were.

cuz seeing them was threatening.
DrafterX Offline
#142 Posted:
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Poor Victor... Sad
Brewha Offline
#143 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
cuz seeing them was threatening.

There is lot of interesting material on this. Differing views threaten delicate ideas, our vision of self tends to be based on our assessment of others, our knowledge of our mortality makes us unstable....

Of cource most folks are so cought up in it that they never see the forest for the trees.
bgz Offline
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Are still talking about transgenders in the military, or did this conversation shift to more generic human prejudice?

If it's the latter, it's a less interesting topic for me.

As soon as Brewha starts throwing out logically invalid, philosophical generalizations, it's time for me to bounce.
JadeRose Offline
#145 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
or he could just call Jade... Mellow





Don't involve me in your weird little fantasies.
frankj1 Offline
#146 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Are still talking about transgenders in the military, or did this conversation shift to more generic human prejudice?

If it's the latter, it's a less interesting topic for me.

As soon as Brewha starts throwing out logically invalid, philosophical generalizations, it's time for me to bounce.

I think our generic human prejudice colors our specific feelings on subjects such as this thread.
bgz Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I think our generic human prejudice colors our specific feelings on subjects such as this thread.


Maybe... but generally speaking, I try to base my opinions off numbers. I don't think I did a very good job arguing the numbers. I know 40% doesn't look like a very big number (I mean, who ever uses the number 40 percent as a selling point), but taking the subject matter into account, I think it's fugging huge. Lets put it this way...

Almost half of all transgendered people will attempt to commit suicide at some point in their life.

Thanks frank!!!

Got me to use muh werds.
frankj1 Offline
#148 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Maybe... but generally speaking, I try to base my opinions off numbers. I don't think I did a very good job arguing the numbers. I know 40% doesn't look like a very big number (I mean, who ever uses the number 40 percent as a selling point), but taking the subject matter into account, I think it's fugging huge. Lets put it this way...

Almost half of all transgendered people will attempt to commit suicide at some point in their life.

Thanks frank!!!

Got me to use muh werds.

I think 40% is a huge number, but I also think that it should at least be taken into consideration that many have endured bullying and other forms of prejudice in their formative years, so maybe the stats are not as clean for them as a "pure" group...cuz I think most would agree that bullied people may have high rates of attempted suicide or other behaviors that fall under the generic "depressed" category.

TW has been saying that as the years go by, more becomes known and understood about how they "happen", less sensationalism, etc., it's likely that this era will be recalled much the same way as the times in history that it was unthinkable for Blacks, Asians, gays to ever be accepted at all, never mind the military.

I'd be outraged if one entered the military as a means to secure financed surgery, but I am equally amazed that no one is able to believe that even people so different than the rest of us couldn't truly be Patriots willing to die for the country they love, the country where all are granted the same rights...on paper anyway (or was it parchment?)


TMCTLT Offline
#149 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I think 40% is a huge number, but I also think that it should at least be taken into consideration that many have PROBABLY endured bullying and other forms of prejudice in their formative years, so maybe the stats are not as clean for them as a "pure" group...cuz I think most would agree that bullied people may have high rates of attempted suicide or other behaviors that fall under the generic "depressed" category.

TW has been saying that as the years go by, more becomes known and understood about how they "happen", less sensationalism, etc., it's likely that this era will be recalled much the same way as the times in history that it was unthinkable for Blacks, Asians, gays to ever be accepted at all, never mind the military.

I'd be outraged if one entered the military as a means to secure financed surgery, but I am equally amazed that no one is able to believe that even people so different than the rest of us couldn't truly be Patriots willing to die for the country they love, the country where all are granted the same rights...on paper anyway (or was it parchment?)





Can you point out to the rest of us where the " right to ignore biology and a right to surgically change ones sex " is enumerated in our Constitution? Or do you believe it to be a " living document " that like Barry did...it changes to reflect society?

Oh and one other question, the points you made regarding bullying, is this strictly Homesexuals being bullied or does your imagination allow for all people bullied for whatever reason? I ask because I grew up the 70's in an area where it wasn't just simple bullying, there were a group of punks and thugs varying in age ( most somehow related) who routinely picked on kids in my neighborhood. Now when I say " picked on " it was vicious name calling accompanied by beatings ( some kids were hospitalized ) but I don't recall EVER hearing of any of us / them who had attempted suicide.

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I think bullies being bullies and picking on everyone weaker isn't the same mental stress that would be involved with everyone ganging up on you because you are different. It seems simple to me that if everyone hated you, not just a few aholes that picked on everyone weaker, the thoughts of harm would be greater. This used to be the gay kid, now it's the trans kid. I went to a really small school and didn't have that kid so we picked on the dirt poor kid. I didn't but also laughed in the background when someone did. That's pack participation. I'm sure he still hates most people to this day. He's pretty much a hermit and got busted for throwing all of his trash away at the recycling center last year the last I heard about him, which was the first time in 15 years.

Everyone hating you would be extremely tough to deal with and the trans kid is the easiest target. I know way off topic but being bullied and being bullied by what feels like everyone without anyone caring are way different situations to handle.

I think valid arguments have been made about transgenders not being allowed in the military. It's also probably not a big problem as has been stated. But if it's your wife that is being forced to shower next to a man who identifies as a woman in a war zone it's a huge problem. It's not like it's at planet fitness where if it happens once she finds a new gym... but I still think tweeting it at night out of the blue is a bad way to get change accomplished.
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