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HuckFinn Offline
#151 Posted: Thu, May 31 2018, 6:02 PM EST
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Wonder what a Roseanne finale would look like.
DrafterX Offline
#152 Posted: Thu, May 31 2018, 6:09 PM EST
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In da midnight hour..
She cried Mo, Mo, Mo...
With a rebel yell..
She cried Mo, Mo, Mo.. Mo, Mo, Mo...

Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#153 Posted: Thu, May 31 2018, 7:45 PM EST
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If racism is the equivalent of merely being vulgar or telling stupid jokes or calling names then trump and the pc right in here are correct more people should be fired.

And to trump being racist is probably the equivalent to being vulgar or calling names thus requiring no apology or repercussions.

HuckFinn Offline
#154 Posted: Thu, May 31 2018, 8:00 PM EST
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Is there such a thing as racist adjacent?
DrafterX Offline
#155 Posted: Thu, May 31 2018, 8:12 PM EST
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That would be gay... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#156 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 7:59 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Then how do you explain Franken, Lauer, Weinstein, Cosby, et al....not big Trump supporters, but did something "stupid"...got whacked...


Oh, just saw this....this IS about Trump....

Here's what Trump tweeted about Roseanne's firing, without commenting about her or her remarks or her show's demise: Mr. Iger (ABC President, who apologized by phone to VJ) had “never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC.”

My bad...tail is so astute...thanks...we can go camping, but only if you wear that little red dress...


The dress is red.
But it's not little.

tailgater Offline
#157 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:03 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
DP... That's already been discussed.
No one gives a flying f-ck about insults. That ship long sailed.
It's about racism.

If there were a long history in the US of making rich white women second class citizens and reinforcing that with popular media depictions of them appearing as wrinkly long labiaed, dripping c--ts, then you'd have a point.




I guess it's a good thing that women have had it easy since the beginning of time.
Yup. No sexism in America.
Women have never been marginalized.

You're wicked smart.
tailgater Offline
#158 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:05 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I will say this for trump... his talking points get to yall sooner than dubbyas did.


I posted about Bee before I read anything about Trumps tweet.
But you go on thinking what you want, because it adds so much to the conversation.
DrafterX Offline
#159 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:53 AM EST
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Bee's rant was stupid to begin with... Trump isn't doing anything to the illegal's kids that hasn't been done forever.. but now it's Trump's policy... if a couple gets busted for smoking crack what happens to da kids..?? Crossing the border shouldn't be any different... Not talking
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#160 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 9:48 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Then how do you explain Franken, Lauer, Weinstein, Cosby, et al....not big Trump supporters, but did something "stupid"...got whacked...


Oh, just saw this....this IS about Trump....

Here's what Trump tweeted about Roseanne's firing, without commenting about her or her remarks or her show's demise: Mr. Iger (ABC President, who apologized by phone to VJ) had “never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC.”

My bad...tail is so astute...thanks...we can go camping, but only if you wear that little red dress...

I'm pretty sure they all "got whacked" for committing criminal acts.....sexual harrassmentThink
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#161 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 10:51 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Bee's rant was stupid to begin with... Trump isn't doing anything to the illegal's kids that hasn't been done forever.. but now it's Trump's policy... if a couple gets busted for smoking crack what happens to da kids..?? Crossing the border shouldn't be any different... Not talking


https://www.cigarbid.com...-comfortable#post4335698
victor809 Offline
#162 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 11:21 AM EST
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Tail... I already pointed out that this is something which I expected a bit more reaction from feminists.

But, women's rights has oddly always trailed minority rights, so it shouldn't be too surprising that the use of insults to reduce a woman to her genetalia have not lost favor (exhibit a- tails posts about Dem women, 2002 to 2018) as much as race specific insults. Or perhaps that's simply because there isn't as difficult a history in the US. But we are getting off topic.

I do think it is problematic to use genetalia as an insult for women, I've said as much to you in the past (unless my memory is completely gone). It's obviously less problematic when women use it... But that's a discussion women should have with other women, I want no part of it.

So what you have is... A white woman went on a racist rant, and later called it a joke.
A different white woman made a sexist insult as part of a comedy bit.

I can see how those would have different levels of response.
teedubbya Offline
#163 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 12:16 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I posted about Bee before I read anything about Trumps tweet.
But you go on thinking what you want, because it adds so much to the conversation.




LOL

remember your mort tirades and anyone believing spygate had to be a mortbot ... and all the times you accuse people of listening to the liberal media and beleiving them so that must be why they say what they say.... I thought so.... you have no shame LMAO



that said I wasn't referring to you but your response amuses me. The trump talking points do hit this site very quickly. The right wings media presence is strong in here. It's predictable the tact people are going to take often down to specific words. That said Tail, I am not saying everyone or even you. I know you to be a free thinker... and stuff
delta1 Offline
#164 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 12:32 PM EST
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I dunno about insults using genitalia affecting only women...I see a lot of pri*cks and d*cks and tiny dancers around...
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#165 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 3:40 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... I already pointed out that this is something which I expected a bit more reaction from feminists.

But, women's rights has oddly always trailed minority rights, so it shouldn't be too surprising that the use of insults to reduce a woman to her genetalia have not lost favor (exhibit a- tails posts about Dem women, 2002 to 2018) as much as race specific insults. Or perhaps that's simply because there isn't as difficult a history in the US. But we are getting off topic.

I do think it is problematic to use genetalia as an insult for women, I've said as much to you in the past (unless my memory is completely gone). It's obviously less problematic when women use it... But that's a discussion women should have with other women, I want no part of it.

So what you have is... A white woman went on a racist rant, and later called it a joke.
A different white woman made a sexist insult as part of a comedy bit.

I can see how those would have different levels of response.


Holy crap.

"Racist Rant?"
You can't believe that tweet was a rant.
You're either lying, or you're the most hypersensitive person I've ever met. And I live in Massachusetts.

You can self-justify this all you want. It doesn't mask the glaring double standard within our media.
If you want to justify things in that myopic mind of yours, then chew on this:
You call Barr's comment a "rant". But which of the two women gave their comment actual thought?
Do you think Roseanne jotted it down and ran it past producers and then recorded it and tweeted it only after the fact?
Because that's what Bee did.

One of the problems with social media is the knee-jerk venom that gets posted too quickly.
I'm not saying that Roseanne is truly sorry for what she said. I don't care either way. But it's obvious which of the two made a calculated move versus simply a quick insult.

Did I say quick insult?
I meant racist rant.

smh
tailgater Offline
#166 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 3:52 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If racism is the equivalent of merely being vulgar or telling stupid jokes or calling names then trump and the pc right in here are correct more people should be fired.

And to trump being racist is probably the equivalent to being vulgar or calling names thus requiring no apology or repercussions.



It's sad how people can't see the difference between a person who is racist and a racially motivated comment.

The same people also just accept the fact that a black person can routinely say the N word but whitey can't even write it down in a cigar forum.


If I say an Italian joke, do I hate Italians?
And stop with the "400 years of oppression" bullsh*t. Get over yourselves. This is 2018.
I can't be blamed for what happened before my ancestors stepped on American soil. So STFU.

This doesn't mean that racial jokes are OK.
But vulgar jokes aimed at women aren't OK either.
Nor is joking with your new neighbor that you'd like to bang his wife.

Lots of things are not OK.

Elevating a minor racial joke to such an offense that people get fired is an over reaction by pathetic people.
RMAN4443 Offline
#167 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 4:24 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It's sad how people can't see the difference between a person who is racist and a racially motivated comment.

The same people also just accept the fact that a black person can routinely say the N word but whitey can't even write it down in a cigar forum.


If I say an Italian joke, do I hate Italians?
And stop with the "400 years of oppression" bullsh*t. Get over yourselves. This is 2018.
I can't be blamed for what happened before my ancestors stepped on American soil. So STFU.

This doesn't mean that racial jokes are OK.
But vulgar jokes aimed at women aren't OK either.
Nor is joking with your new neighbor that you'd like to bang his wife.

Lots of things are not OK.

Elevating a minor racial joke to such an offense that people get fired is an over reaction by pathetic people.







That's what she said.....Anxious

Beer
HuckFinn Offline
#168 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 4:28 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Holy crap.

"Racist Rant?"
You can't believe that tweet was a rant.
You're either lying, or you're the most hypersensitive person I've ever met. And I live in Massachusetts.

You can self-justify this all you want. It doesn't mask the glaring double standard within our media.
If you want to justify things in that myopic mind of yours, then chew on this:
You call Barr's comment a "rant". But which of the two women gave their comment actual thought?
Do you think Roseanne jotted it down and ran it past producers and then recorded it and tweeted it only after the fact?
Because that's what Bee did.

One of the problems with social media is the knee-jerk venom that gets posted too quickly.
I'm not saying that Roseanne is truly sorry for what she said. I don't care either way. But it's obvious which of the two made a calculated move versus simply a quick insult.

Did I say quick insult?
I meant racist rant.

smh



It's clear to me that Roseanne gave her "quip" (it's okay to call it that, right?) much more thought than Bee did. If it wasn't so blatantly racist it would be funny. She's witty. Bee, I dunno what she was thinking...
But was what Bee said carefully planned? Who cares. It was vulgar. Good for ratings maybe.
At least Bee didn't blame her meds. Roseanne tried that. That was pretty lame I thought.

Bee's apology: "would like to sincerely apologize to Ivanka Trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night. It was inappropriate and inexcusable. I crossed a line, and I deeply regret it."

Barr apologized too. Was fascinating...
Barr has a history of mental illness. And seems proud of it. She's an artist of sorts I guess. I cut them more slack, usually. I like art.

I'm sure Bee spoke to her lawyers before her remark.
And Roseanne didnt.
But should've.
Anyway, racism and prejudices are holdovers from times past. We havent yet figured out the new rules about race. Jokes, racially motivated comments etc haven't caught up to how racially diverse we've become.

We'll get there.
RMAN4443 Offline
#169 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 4:47 PM EST
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Is it Racist to say "let's get Jiggy with it", when I'm doing an Irish dance???...Think
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#170 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 5:14 PM EST
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What does that mean..?? Huh
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#171 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 5:18 PM EST
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My first thought was good they cancelled her show. But on further consideration, they should not have cancelled her show. Lenny Bruce, Richard Hicks, Richard Prior, Bill Maher, Dennis Leary, and Andrew Dice Clay just to mention a few. Should they have been banned? They certainly are/were controversial.

Is Roseanne a racist? I think so. Do I hate what she tweeted? Yes. This is America, not North Korea dam it. We do not have the right to force people to act a certain way. Every time anyone's rights are infringed upon all of our rights are infringed upon.

Yes, I get there is no constitutional issue here. But there is a conceptual issue here. An insult is an insult. I am Polish. If people tell jokes about my intelligence that would be as racist as what Roseanne said. WGAF?

Why applaud Disney for what amounts to a bad buisiness choice? Let the market decide about the shows fate. Viewership. Lampoon Roseanne for her racism, but understand, she has the right to be a racist.
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#172 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 5:57 PM EST
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I dunno man. I've repeated racial jokes of all types that were funny but that doesn't mean I'd treat anyone of different races any different than anyone else..


Is that correct sentence structure. ?? Think
SteveS Offline
#173 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 5:59 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Is that correct sentence structure. ??


not sure, but IMO, it's correct thought structure ...
SteveS Offline
#174 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 6:18 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Why applaud Disney for what amounts to a bad buisiness choice? Let the market decide about the shows fate. Viewership. Lampoon Roseanne for her racism, but understand, she has the right to be a racist.


It may or not be a "bad business choice" for Disney ... their action was pretty consistent with their long-standing corporate standards and in that light, not a bad choice ...

Whether or not Roseanne is a racist, I'm not sure ... her remark sure makes that seem likely and it was certainly hateful, but as long as our Constitution is still valid, she DOES have the right to free speech ... she isn't, however, immune from the consequences of her speech ...

As for the distinction between what Roseanne and Samantha Bee have puked up during the last few days, I suppose the standards at TNT are just a lot lower than those at ABC ... as Speyside says, let the market decide ...

Meanwhile, those on the left who somehow contort themselves to view Samanthas remarks as being less problematic than those of Roseanne, I envy your flexibility ... you no doubt are good at Twister, whereas I'm not that pliable ... I see both of these as being of the same tasteless and repugnant nature
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#175 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 7:27 PM EST
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SteveS wrote:
not sure, but IMO, it's correct thought structure ...

cool wording!
DrafterX Offline
#176 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 7:58 PM EST
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I mean is it racist to joke about Asian ****' being small..?? According to TW's thorough research this appears to be true... If we laugh a little Laugh does that make us racist.. Huh
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#177 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:01 PM EST
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No but if you call VJ a cross between planet of the apes and the Muslim brotherhood and are a birther it might.
DrafterX Offline
#178 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:08 PM EST
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What if she was Asian..?? Huh
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#179 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:10 PM EST
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I bet the Somali pirates don't sweat racist jokes.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#180 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:11 PM EST
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Are you saying she was just telling a harmless racial joke rather than specifically hating on someone while supporting her hate with racism.

Your trumplust has you supporting Rosanne bar. You realize that right?
teedubbya Offline
#181 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:14 PM EST
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Trump has convinced many people to sell their souls at the alter of him. I’m surprised at some in here.


It is shiny and gold though.
DrafterX Offline
#182 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:15 PM EST
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I didn't say that... That isn't anywhere close to what I said.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#183 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:15 PM EST
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Oh then in the words of Rosanne Rosanna Dana

Never mind
DrafterX Offline
#184 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:17 PM EST
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You're surprised everyone doesn't hate Trump.. Mellow


But that's ok... We like you anyways... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#185 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:19 PM EST
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Just amused at the Cheeto dust and orange tinted mayo on your lips and your willingness to accept things, particularly from the President that not too long ago you wouldn’t.

teedubbya Offline
#186 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:21 PM EST
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I’m really really disappointed in you drafter.
teedubbya Offline
#187 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:25 PM EST
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For the record drafter is a poo head.
DrafterX Offline
#188 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:25 PM EST
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No you're not.. you expect this from me.. Laugh
teedubbya Offline
#189 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:29 PM EST
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No I don’t. I never thought the extra chromosome would overtake you.
DrafterX Offline
#190 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:30 PM EST
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It didn't hurt.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#191 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:32 PM EST
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I’m glad at least it was peaceful
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#192 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:35 PM EST
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I guess.. not even sure what you're talking about... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#193 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:41 PM EST
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I did buy a Nikon camera for some reason tho... Think
teedubbya Offline
#194 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:50 PM EST
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I just replaced my Nikon scope with a weaver super slam.

One ragged hole

Just like Rosanne.
DrafterX Offline
#195 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:54 PM EST
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Loose meat..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#196 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 8:56 PM EST
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Right now? Yea. Nothin to look at here.
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#197 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 9:26 PM EST
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I got a Nikon camera, I love to take a photograph
So, Mama, don’t my Kodachrome away
DrafterX Offline
#198 Posted: Fri, Jun 1 2018, 9:30 PM EST
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Laugh
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#199 Posted: Sat, Jun 2 2018, 5:13 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Just amused at the Cheeto dust and orange tinted mayo on your lips and your willingness to accept things, particularly from the President that not too long ago you wouldn’t.

I never thought the extra chromosome would overtake you.



Those comments are just as vile and hateful as anything Barr or Bee said, if not more so, yet I bet you don't see it.

David (dpnewell)
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#200 Posted: Sat, Jun 2 2018, 7:07 AM EST
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