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tailgater Offline
#251 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 8:23 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Which sort of speaks to the crux of the problem of so many of us talking past each other when it comes to racist stuff.

What is more important in the labeling of something or someone as racist? The way it is meant/intended? Or the way it is received/perceived?

Might require a Plato cave-level discussion to sort through it, but it is important, I think. If someone who has zero knowledge or context of the history of, say...the n word -- is it racist if he uses it? Is the word racist? Or the meaning and/or the user of the word?

Not entirely relevant, maybe, but I can't help but think about Randall in Clerks II when he wants to take back the words 'porch monkey'. Was a good dialog -- may not advance the discussion much, but it is sort of thoughtful


Depends on how the "offended" person reacts.
If they cry RACIST! then they need to just stfu.
If they explain how or why they're offended, then at least it's a discussion.

If a word or expression has evolved into something devoid of racial overtones, the history shouldn't matter if it's used in a non-derogatory manner. No one has the absolute right to never be offended.

tailgater Offline
#252 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 8:27 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Not directed at tail

I told this story to someone earlier today. It’s absolutely true. Prior to this I’d not thought much about the go back home mantra. It does help me understand why my wife might see it differently than me.

Once I ran in to a Quick Trip and left her in the car with the two kids. They were around 6 and 8 years old. When I came out there was a nasty lougie on my passenger side windshield. Apparently someone screamed at her to go back home and spit at her.

This is common. The phrase means something to my wife that it may not to you. Maybe you are clueless about it. I don’t believe Trump is. And if he was he isn’t now. He is using it. Sorry. Threshold crossed.

Even if you think you should be able to tell everyone that, knowing what you know now maybe you should be more selective. Or maybe it’s more important to you to continue even knowing how it’s received. Your choice. You are what you are.

Trump knows exactly what he is doing and it’s a conscious tactical choice. I don’t know anyone pretends to defend it.



I'll wait with baited breath for your next totally unrelated anecdote.

You've latched on to the "go home" portion of the phrase and are purposely ignoring the "fix those problems and then come back here and show us how it's done".

Disingenuous at best.

And yes. The person who spit and said those words to your family deserves to die a slow and painful death. That's not ignorance. That's hatred.
tailgater Offline
#253 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 8:29 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Thanks dstieger. Once you realize someone finds something offensive and you continue anyway, especially if it is BECAUSE you know they find it offensive then you’ve crossed a threshold. Call it whatever you like but I’m glad I’m not the one trying to defend or normalize that.


For the record, if you continue using a term BECAUSE the audience is offended, then yes I agree.

I don't think this is relevant to the discussion, but as a stand alone statement I find it to be true.


edit: And it's WHY the rally chant was so disgusting.
victor809 Offline
#254 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 9:19 AM EST
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And yet you still haven't answered my simple questions. You fixate on "oh, but he totally asked them to come back later!" while missing ....well ... all the points.
teedubbya Offline
#255 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 10:06 AM EST
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Sometimes folks just don’t want to get it. It’s fine. I said earlier I’m not trying to convince. Folks are who they are.
tailgater Offline
#256 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 12:41 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Sometimes folks just don’t want to get it. It’s fine. I said earlier I’m not trying to convince. Folks are who they are.



So someone disagrees with you and it's because THEY don't want to get it.

LOL!

And then you claim you're "not trying to convince anyone".

Double LOL!

Convince us of what? Of your viewpoint that you're blaming ME for not "getting"?

It's called a discussion. We have different viewpoints. I understand what you're saying but I disagree. You don't have to repeatedly say you're not trying convince me (which proves just the opposite, by the way).

I'm sorry for laughing.
It's just funny when you try to be condescending with such a moronic point of view.
You should leave that for victor. He's good at it.
teedubbya Offline
#257 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:23 PM EST
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I simply meant we will have to agree to disagree. I didn’t realize you would take it differently. Sometimes folks hear things differently than intended.
victor809 Offline
#258 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:31 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So someone disagrees with you and it's because THEY don't want to get it.

LOL!

And then you claim you're "not trying to convince anyone".

Double LOL!

Convince us of what? Of your viewpoint that you're blaming ME for not "getting"?

It's called a discussion. We have different viewpoints. I understand what you're saying but I disagree. You don't have to repeatedly say you're not trying convince me (which proves just the opposite, by the way).

I'm sorry for laughing.
It's just funny when you try to be condescending with such a moronic point of view.
You should leave that for victor. He's good at it.


One can blame someone for "not getting it", and disagree with them, and not necessarily be trying to convince them all at the same time.

It's your fault for not understanding something very simple.
It's fine to disagree with someone when they don't understand a clear concept.
The vocal disagreement may not be to convince the individual who clearly does not have the capacity to understand, but to ensure that others understand there are other views than your incorrect one.

See... easy peasy.

and you still haven't answered my easy 7 questions.
teedubbya Offline
#259 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:36 PM EST
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Sometimes folks don’t want to get it. I don’t want to get tails point. I’m a folk.

It’s fine. That’s ok.

I’m not trying to convince. There’s no need to convince me either.

Folks are who they are. They can disagree and so can I. I don’t pretend to know how or why they think the way they do. That would be asinine.
teedubbya Offline
#260 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:37 PM EST
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Some folks are so delicate.
teedubbya Offline
#261 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:37 PM EST
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That’s what some people tell me anyway.
ZRX1200 Offline
#262 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:40 PM EST
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I appreciate your daintiness, it’s kind of a turn on actually.
dstieger Offline
#263 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:40 PM EST
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For folks' sake. Put a folk in it, already.
teedubbya Offline
#264 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:41 PM EST
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Like a petunia
teedubbya Offline
#265 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:41 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
For folks' sake. Put a folk in it, already.



It’s always about the penetration with you isn’t it.
dstieger Offline
#266 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:44 PM EST
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Nothing a little WD40 can't help
teedubbya Offline
#267 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 1:46 PM EST
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I only need a drop of hoppes Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#268 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 2:24 PM EST
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https://youtu.be/3oYo1e8WRnE
teedubbya Offline
#269 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2019, 2:31 PM EST
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https://youtu.be/MRLWc-BfhJA
tailgater Offline
#270 Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2019, 11:40 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Sometimes folks hear things differently than intended.


Bingo.

That's what I've been saying.

Thank you.


edit: And I promise not to call you racist because of it.
teedubbya Offline
#271 Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2019, 12:34 PM EST
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LOL

Probably for much different reasons than you think
tailgater Offline
#272 Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2019, 3:22 PM EST
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Probably not.
You're alone in the room.
Laughing.
Out loud, if I'm to believe the acronym.

I'd say that's par for the course.
teedubbya Offline
#273 Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2019, 3:22 PM EST
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LOL
tailgater Offline
#274 Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2019, 3:23 PM EST
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LOL
tailgater Offline
#275 Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2019, 3:24 PM EST
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uh ohh.
teedubbya Offline
#276 Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2019, 3:33 PM EST
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someone has the giggles
tailgater Offline
#277 Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2019, 3:35 PM EST
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I once had the wiggles.

Had to let them go.
that dang music gets annoying.
victor809 Offline
#278 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 12:42 PM EST
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Hey look... Tail never answered those questions. Just sort of wandered off and ignored them.

Sad.
izonfire Offline
#279 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 1:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Hey look... Tail never answered those questions. Just sort of wandered off and ignored them.

Sad.


Maybe he’s just comfortable with who he is. Are you questioning?
victor809 Offline
#280 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 7:22 PM EST
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I mean... We all know he's perfectly comfortable with exactly what he is. Just no one else should be.
fishinguitarman Offline
#281 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 7:34 PM EST
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Hmmm someone saying what we should do?
ZRX1200 Offline
#282 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 7:48 PM EST
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Victor don’t worry, nobody is comfortable with you.

Thoughts and prayers
frankj1 Offline
#283 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 8:37 PM EST
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I'm cool with Victor.
I also just missed out on meeting up with tail and mrs tail the other night.
you and I are good too, Z.
it is possible to get along.
JadeRose Offline
#284 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 9:34 PM EST
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I like tacos and freedom fries
frankj1 Offline
#285 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 10:22 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I like tacos and freedom fries

even if prices rise after tariffs?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#286 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 10:23 PM EST
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And really, can't we all be united by our mutual hatred of Canada?
victor809 Offline
#287 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 9:30 AM EST
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Hey look... Still no answer from tail.
I'll assume that means he cannot actually answer the questions without admitting his president and dream cuddle monkey is a racist azz.
izonfire Offline
#288 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 10:54 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
And really, can't we all be united by our mutual hatred of Canada?


Especially those fucquing French Canadians. Horrendous
frankj1 Offline
#289 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 11:04 AM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Especially those fucquing French Canadians. Horrendous

avoid poutine at all costs.
It is an evil plot designed to kill us by clogging our arteries (not highways)
izonfire Offline
#290 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 11:08 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
avoid poutine at all costs.

I wasn’t pouting Frank. Just incensed

frankj1 wrote:
It is an evil plot designed to kill us by clogging our arteries (not highways)

Causing mustard highways
victor809 Offline
#291 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 12:19 AM EST
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wow.... I think at this point I can simply declare victory. Tail cannot come up with a single set of answers for his orange messiah that doesn't require his azz be racist.

Tail is a Sad Loser.
ZRX1200 Offline
#292 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 1:03 AM EST
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You’re a legend in your own mind and you always “claim victory” even though there’s no documented proof of you ever achieving victory even against Drafter......pretty sure the only thing you ever beat was a homeless dude and one out of three STD tests. Good for you buddy!!

*golf clap*
tailgater Offline
#293 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 1:17 PM EST
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I hope victor never decides to charge me rent for that space I'm taking up in his head.
victor809 Offline
#294 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 1:43 PM EST
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Nah tail. Your failure to be able to justify your little trumpenfurher's blatant racism provides me enough joy as payment
delta1 Offline
#295 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 1:50 PM EST
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I wonder if any of Trump's followers believed he was serious about his tweets condemning racism and white supremacists....
victor809 Offline
#296 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 1:51 PM EST
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Nah tail. Your failure to be able to justify your little trumpenfurher's blatant racism provides me enough joy as payment.
victor809 Offline
#297 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 1:52 PM EST
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If they believed that he'd lose followers
fishinguitarman Offline
#298 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 5:07 PM EST
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Wow Tail! You’re getting called out by Anti-American people that HATE the POTUS!

Love your opinions BTW!
delta1 Offline
#299 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 7:42 PM EST
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there are still some people who think Nixon was a great POTUS...I'm guessing historians would grade this presidency similar to his...some positive achievements on the surface but the rot went to the core...
victor809 Offline
#300 Posted: Tue, Aug 6 2019, 7:43 PM EST
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But how will people grad tail's posting history?

I'm gonna guess "some positive posts on the surface, but the poor reasoning went to the core..."
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