DrMaddVibe wrote:All while Obama and Biden runabout talking about their administration being "scandal free". What they did to reporters, weaponizing the IRS, running guns on multiple continents, gifting taxpayer money for "shovel ready" or "green" donors whom would in turn take millions and file bankruptcy and now this attempted coup.
For you to gloss over it to be addressed is pretty petty. Crimes were committed. We're just now finding out how bad the Obama Administration operated. Weaponizing the AG, the CIA, NSA, FBI and all the usual media sources to overturn an election? To claim there was no fraud by foreign governments? Sullying Carter Page's name and career so they could infiltrate an opponents campaign. Taking the "fruit of the poisoned tree" and imprisoning Michael Flynn, a 33 year career military man that they had admitted didn't lie for lying so they wouldn't take his family down. The director of the FBI falsified the Steele craptastic opposition "research" that was mostly funded by the unmentioned DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign. He made it "VERIFIED" when in fact, they didn't conduct any investigation into it at all so they could use this to obtain a FISA warrant (and had it resubmitted with the same lies 3 more times!). It fit their narrative and they had to act fast. All this hurrying around exposed the multiple agencies for what they did as well. What really got me was the way it was all done and denied in concerted effort. Shouting down the messenger doesn't dilute the message. They sent Paul Mannafort to prison through wiretaps. You can't explain it away. It started back in 2014 and that's before Trump won the election.
With the manner the House decided to behave with their Schiff Show for all to witness and the following Nadler Nod Off it's no wonder the masses don't understand what has been going on and whom to believe. Every accusation tossed against Trump has almost always been categorically been proven false and interchangeably replaced with a DNC bad actor. The hearing were a farce to Justice. Not allowing the President to cross-examine witnesses, to provide his own...what kind of kangaroo court is this? So I can understand how you come up with the "I'll win" remark. I take it as a WE win though. We get to see the real proof and hear from the mouthes of the accusers in open court. I suspect the GOP won't don't a long drawn out session like I want. Keep this going and find out how high it climbs, but we already know it's on Obama's shoulders. FISA court doesn't operate like a "normal" court and we saw the smug lying **** Comey for what he really is. He should be tried for Treason. Same for Brennan. There should be prison time for a slew of characters that pushed the narrative and peddled it. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play.
Horowitz didn't excuse nor deny any of this in his report either. You have to take into account the area he was allowed to investigate. It was quite narrow and diminutive. While Comey was out taking more victory laps exclaiming "EXONERATION", The IG of the Department of Justice said, “The activities we found here don’t vindicate anybody who touched this”. To backdrop and fully understand Horowitz, Sen Graham lays out the entire matter here.
https://youtu.be/q0l5VpTqjRs
When the AG concludes his report I fully expect people to be revolted at the manner in which Obama weaponized it all to save his legacy, promote his failed policies and profit from it. The Democrats have once again overplayed their hand. This impeachment is a wet pants load of crap. We were all lead to believe it was about "Russia, Russia, Russia" and bribery and High Crimes and Misdemeanors. All I've seen them produce is a bunch of butthurtfeeleyomah and poor acting. If there was a crime then it would be clearly detailed. It is not. Obstruction of Congress? He's the President and the head of the Executive Branch. It cannot be obstruction and he doesn't have to kowtow to the whims of a do nothing Congress. He can employ Executive Privilege like it has ALWAYS been done. The Dems overreached by not allowing the hearings to be open and fair by allowing the opposing side to bring in their witnesses and evidence. It was a railroad job with Pelosi at the controls and the media keeping it all on track. I can only hope the Senate does a better job. Even today I read where Upchuck Schumer wants this and wants that all under the guise of "fair". Where was he the last few weeks with that kinda talk? Who wins in all of this? Nobody. The Dems stated that if they had the House they'd do the bidding of Americans. Instead it's been a blinders on, one track ride to this. Impeachment.
I didn't vote for Trump in the last election. I didn't have faith in the guy. for the 1st time in my life I didn't vote for a President. I cannot wait to vote for him now. There is a groundswell of people like me too. A recent poll (I know I know...polls) have found anywhere from a 16 to 30% increase in the Black vote for Trump. The #WALKAWAY movement is real. Only the tip of the "iceberg" is showing. The basket of Deplorables is growing. The DNC candidates don't show any forward thinking or rational thought. It's a collective of laughter. Obama sucked all of the life out of the party and gave nothing back. No new fresh face. No new plank to run on. No legislation ushered in that they championed and ironed through. No, it's too late for all sensibility. Censure or Impeachment. All things that should've been talked about with reverence to the Constitution. Instead that process has been weaponized to a new low where retribution is all but a certainty without question. There's no winning in any of this.
None.
way too much for me to use my c-bid line-item veto power...but the effort deserves respect and a response.
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The conservatives/GOP controlled all of Congress for the last 6 of the 8 years with Obama/Biden in the White H.U.T. or 75% of their Administration, with the full power (and our) expectation of oversight in order to maintain checks and balances. I'm of the belief they knew even more than you have alluded to and yet decided to pass on taking action, evidently due to knowing that what your research states is steeped in partisan opinion but is not fact based. Certainly a party whose leaders (see McConnell below) stated on inauguration day that they would dedicate the next 4 years to preventing Obama's reelection can not seriously be seen as more fair than today's Democrats in the House.
Neither owns morality, that's for sure.
There are chunks of the above that are simply repetitive claims of the right previously discredited by every...single...law...enforcement...agency in the country. I'm fine with you and others still subscribing to these theories or I'd vanish from the forums, but I don't have the energy to cite line and verse of all the debunking again. And it would have no effect as neither of us will change much save for a yuuuge bombshell dropping...
such as:
the long overdue release by The White House of what must be incriminating documents and evidence...and the testimony of a few that have been barred from complying so far...Bolton et al. With these missing items and real first hand knowledge, the nation, and more importantly c-bidders, likely would not consider all this a nothing burger.
Ever feel like the worst is yet to come? Under oath.
as a side note, I find it curious that the (former) party of less government is allowing and even abetting the power grabbing consolidation that Trump has embarked on from day one...and getting cheered from the bleacher seats.
Be careful what you wish for, the balance of power will swing back one day. It is a negative for us all, even when our guy is "in".
as a side question, current political views aside for a minute, how concerned would you be if an incoming president and later his (willing so not fired) appointees, prior to even being nominated, started a verbal and written trashing of every same-party opponent, every opposing party opponent, the FBI/Justice/all connected to legal system, and on and on...only to find out that maybe he did so to plant negatives about them in the mind of the public for the inevitable day when he would be charged with high crimes? Blind Justice...meet Marketing.
one more side question:
are Lindsey and Mitch in violation of their sworn Constitutional duties when they declare pre-trial that they know what they will do before the trial begins? Seriously? No GOP condemn this?
You were incorrect when you stated Trump deserved a chance to cross examine. He did not have that right. It does not exist despite him convincing his unknowing supporters how mean they were being.
This was akin to a Grand Jury, a fact finding to determine if charges should ensue which results in a real trial.
And in that real trial, Graham and McConnell would be found unfit to serve on the jury.
Censure Trump.
Impeach Barr.
