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So far it’s a monumental nothing burger
DrMaddVibe Offline
#201 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
knowledge no longer means knowledge...

facts are replaced by alternative facts...

history is made for revision, time after time...

new normal...get used to it or merge left


You dont get to lie.


https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ap-exclusive-justice-dept-dropping-flynns-criminal-case/
delta1 Offline
#202 Posted:
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sonofagun!!!

not surprising...given Barr's history of covering for Trump and his people...

Bill Barr will be remembered as the most protective guardian of the POTUS of all US Attorneys General...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#203 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
sonofagun!!!

not surprising...given Barr's history of covering for Trump and his people...

Bill Barr will be remembered as the most protective guardian of the POTUS of all US Attorneys General...


And you'll be remembered as being a liar.
delta1 Offline
#204 Posted:
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so you don't believe Gen. Flynn was working for Erdogan, PM of Turkey, for large sum of cash to return the Turkish cleric Fethulleh Gulen, who was in the US to escape persecution?

or that Gen Flynn was communicating surreptitiously with the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, promising to relieve US sanctions on Russia...

or that Trump fired Gen. Flynn from his job as National Security Adviser for lying about his contacts with the Russian Ambassador...



if you're OK with this behavior, that's one thing...

to say those are lies...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#205 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:



You need to stop lying.
DrafterX Offline
#206 Posted:
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I thought we all learned from the Hillary thing that if your not prosecuted or if charges are dropped it didn't happen... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#207 Posted:
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Didn't Mueller say Flynn should not be charged?
DrafterX Offline
#208 Posted:
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So, if Obama knew Flynn was being framed what did Biden know..?? Think
CelticBomber Offline
#209 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
So, if Obama knew Flynn was being framed what did Biden know..?? Think


Do we really wanna give Biden credit for knowing stuff? Think
delta1 Offline
#210 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You need to stop lying.



Flynn admitted to both working for Turkey and for contacts with the Russian ambassador while under oath during his guilty plea at trial and during his sentencing hearing. Here are some relevant quotes from the transcript of his sentencing plea: --not my words...

THE COURT: Do you understand that by maintaining your
guilty plea and continuing with sentencing, you will give up your
right forever to challenge the circumstances under which you were
interviewed?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, Your Honor.
...

THE COURT: At the time of your January 24th, 2017
interview with the FBI, were you not aware that lying to FBI
investigators was a federal crime?
THE DEFENDANT: I was not -- I was aware.
THE COURT: You were aware?
THE DEFENDANT: Yeah.
...

THE COURT: Do you feel that you were competent and
capable of entering into a guilty plea when you pled guilty on
December 1st, 2017?
THE DEFENDANT: I do, Your Honor.
...

THE COURT: All right. Thank you, Counsel. Thank you
both.
Mr. Flynn, anything else you want to discuss with me about
your plea of guilty? This is not a trick. I'm not trying to
trick you. If you want some time to withdraw your plea or try to
withdraw your plea, I'll give you that time. If you want to
proceed because you are guilty of this offense, I will finally
accept your plea.
THE DEFENDANT: I would like to proceed, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. Because you are guilty of this
offense?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, Your Honor.
...

THE COURT: The Statement of Facts further describes Mr. Flynn's false
statements. One, Mr. Flynn falsely stated that he did not ask
the Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak to refrain from, quote,
escalating the situation, end quote, in response to sanctions the
Obama Administration had imposed upon Russia.
On December the 28th, 2016, then-President Obama signed
Executive Order 13757 which was to take effect on December the
29th, 2016. The executive order announced sanctions against
Russia as a response to Russia's interference in the 2016
presidential election.
On December the 28th, 2016, the ambassador contacted
Mr. Flynn. The next day Mr. Flynn called a senior transition
official who was with other senior officials at the Mar-a-Lago
Resort. They discussed the sanctions and their shared desire
that Russia not escalate the situation.

...

Turkish officials had supervised, approved, and directed the
work his company performed.
Mr. Flynn also made false statements by stating that his
company's Turkey project was, quote, focused on improving U.S.
business organizations' confidence regarding doing business with
Turkey, end quote, when that was not the primary purpose.
Finally, Mr. Flynn made a false statement that an op-ed he
published in the Hill on November 8th, 2016 was written at his
own initiative, when it was actually written for Turkey's benefit
at its direction and under its supervision.
At the time the Turkish officials were directing and
supervising this work, Mr. Flynn was also serving as a senior
national security official on the Trump Campaign.


Note: Flynn admitted to these statements while under oath, as he was pleading guilty.
DrafterX Offline
#211 Posted:
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he's out of jail so it didn't happen... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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he won't ever be the same, an important former military leader with potential to serve our country in a critical capacity....so something happened
DrafterX Offline
#213 Posted:
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ya... sounds like he was framed and stuff.... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#214 Posted:
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nah...he showed his true self
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#215 Posted:
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Did Flynn cop a plea to protect his son?
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/politics/michael-flynn-son-special-counsel-russia-investigation/index.html
delta1 Offline
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possibly...his son was involved in his father's company that was hired by the Turks...the son was the Chief of Staff and his father's principal aide, traveling to Russia and Turkey with his dad to attend various meetings...with expenses paid by RT (Russian TV)
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delta1 wrote:
Flynn admitted to both working for Turkey and for contacts with the Russian ambassador while under oath during his guilty plea at trial and during his sentencing hearing. Here are some relevant quotes from the transcript of his sentencing plea: --not my words...

Note: Flynn admitted to these statements while under oath, as he was pleading guilty.


That was a great story wasn't it? A fantastic fairy tale. You got your rocks off babbling about how dirty he was here. Thread to thread because your precious Hillary Clinton got beat and badly in a general election by a non-politician. Why you and the score of other democratic cheerleaders here couldn't contain yourselves and to this date are still in a state of non-belief that you continue to this very thread to spread the lies. Spreading lies makes one a liar. You and most of the Trump haters didn't even bother to read the posts people were putting up here stating the case against Trump was weak from the beginning. You count yourselves to be above the truth to the point you won't even consider using critical thinking skills to disseminate information. The tainted sources you derived all of your information was a poisonous tree planted by nefarious operators inside some of the highest intelligence branches of our government. Weaponized against citizens. That should make anyone with a brain incensed and mad but you and others decided to use it as a cheerleader pom-pom and cheer from thread to thread with your lies. Now, the cover has been blown. We can now see what Sara Carter and John Solomon have been saying all along was 100% true. This walks all the way back to the Obama Oval Office. A sitting President spied on a private citizen, an rival political party and it's campaign and used foreign and domestic weaponized intelligence agencies to not only overturn an election but stage a non-military coup.


Former FBI Asst Director Suggests Obama, Brennan Committed Felonies, Not Flynn

At the start of this week, former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom suggested to Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo that former President Barack Obama and former CIA Director John Brennan committed felonies and not Gen. Michael Flynn.

Kallstrom said that “high-ranking people throughout the government … had a plot to not have Hillary Clinton indicted so that she could remain the flawed candidate that she was,” RCP reported.

Kallstrom cited text messages from anti-Trump FBI agent Peter Strzok as evidence that the administration “had a backup plan to frame Donald Trump.”

“My sources tell me [Brennan] was leaking almost weekly or daily, and he was taking that bunch of phony crap supposedly from Russia, and peddling that through the Congress and the media, he was one of the active people,” said Kallstrom. “I’ve known him a long time and I think he’s involved, and quite frankly, I think it goes right to the top, quite frankly.”

Bartiromo responded by asking, “To President Obama?”

“It goes right to the top, and it involves that whole strategy. They were going to win [the 2016 election], nobody would ever know this stuff, and they just unleashed the intelligence community,” Kallstrom continued.

“I hope Gen. Flynn sues a lot of people, because he was handled so bad. … He didn’t lie to the FBI. They didn’t even interview him about a crime. He was in his legal authorized mode when all that happened,” Kallstrom said.

“They are the people who committed felonies, not the general,” Kallstrom suggested, apparently referring to Brennan and Obama. “They’ve ruined [Flynn] — and because they threatened his son, you know, they bankrupted this guy that gave his life to this country.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-former-fbi-asst-director-says-obama-ryan-saavedra


and this inconvenient nugget you cannot fathom...

Flynn’s attorney’s had noted in their memorandum to the courts that the documents revealed that FBI officials made the decision not to provide Flynn with his Miranda Rights, which would’ve have warned him of penalties for making false statements.

“The agents did not provide Gen. Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. 1001 before, during, or after the interview,” the Flynn memo says. According to the 302, before the interview, McCabe and other FBI officials “decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed, and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport.”
McCabe, who has since been fired for lying to the DOJ’s Office of Inspector General about leaking information to the media, also asked Flynn not to have his lawyer present during the initial meeting with the FBI agents.

The July 2017 report, however, was the interview with Strzok. It described his interview with Flynn but was not the original Flynn interview.



and further...

In the redacted 302 report Strzok and Pientka said they “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” Information that Flynn was not lying was first published and reported by SaraACarter.com.

Flynn was found guilty by Mueller on one count of lying to the FBI. Supporters of Flynn have questioned Mueller’s tactics in getting the retired three-star general to plead guilty to this one count of lying.

https://saraacarter.com/fbi-docs-reveal-flynn-was-not-lying-or-did-not-think-he-was-lying/


However, everyone knows he didn't lie. He was drove to bankruptcy, financially destroyed with legal bills the like a normal person would never ever have to think about the hourly rate to pay for and threatened by the very same FBI and DOJ that they wouldn't stop with him, they would go after his family. We're not talking about some schlub here. We're talking about a 3 star general. Those aren't just handed out to anyone, they EARN them by not being liars but by being honorable leaders. That didn't even register with you and your merry little band of CBid TDS crewe though. No, he was guilty as **** because Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer and the countless hordes of blithering idiot talking heads you chose to believe without ever venturing off to do any research yourselves.

Even on this thread another person tried to shake your belief system and tell you what others had already known. You replied with "Possibly". Well, "Possibly" you are so far wrong and won't even admit it nor bother to read anything BUT Orangeman bad!


Suddenly General Mike is threatened with public arrest and search of his phone. Public arrest of his son. Indictment of his son, and they were going to give him the Manafort treatment, which is put them both in solitary confinement.

At the 11th hour before General Flynn signed his plea agreement, at the last minute Special Counsel notifies the defense counsel by phone only that the electronic communications of one agent showed a preference [against] President Trump and the IG was assessing whether that constituted misconduct.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/corrupt-mueller-gang-threatened-to-throw-general-flynn-and-his-son-in-solitary-confinement-if-he-didnt-plead-guilty-to-lying-to-fbi/


In your world this is how you treat heroes that have served their nation with dignity. Keep peddling the lies. The power of the US government is now seeing the real facts as they become realized. The Obama Administration ordered all of this so Clinton could continue the same sham job (pay off Palestinian terrorists, subvert a foreign election with US money, global gun-running and a total lie operation!) that he had set into motion providing cover for the shady operators. You STILL cannot even fathom how massivly huge it is for the DOJ to completely overturn their conviction of Gen. Flynn. You have lies to peddle.

Get to peddling. Ask for more help, because you're not good at it.



https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/05/09/jonathan-turley-rips-apart-obamas-leaked-statement-about-the-doj-and-flynn-and-its-glorious/
Dg west deptford Offline
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Applause
Hear,hear
delta1 Offline
#219 Posted:
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Kallstrom's statements are his opinions, not sworn statements in a court of law...his job on Fox News is to feed the conservative base juicy conspiracy theories they hunger for



Flynn's admissions of guilt were his OWN statements, sworn under penalty of perjury in a court of law, given after the sentencing judge repeatedly gave him and his attorneys every opportunity to deny them
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#220 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Kallstrom's statements are his opinions, not sworn statements in a court of law...his job on Fox News is to feed the conservative base juicy conspiracy theories they hunger for



Flynn's admissions of guilt were his OWN statements, sworn under penalty of perjury in a court of law, given after the sentencing judge repeatedly gave him and his attorneys every opportunity to deny them



You is one stubborn peddler. Imagine your dismay when the other shoes drop.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/flynn-attorney-sidney-powell-flynn-set-up-was-orchestrated-by-top-officials-in-meeting-with-obama


But wait...there's more!

Yet now, it looks like Schiff knew nobody had a “smoking gun” to prove Trump worked with Russia. In fact, it appears everyone had to admit they had nothing on Trump.

Remember “due process”? A man is innocent until proven guilty. Well, these Obama flunkies don’t seem to have evidence to prove anything.

Yet they told CNN, the New York Times, MSNBC, and all the others a very different story.

This begs the question: was Schiff and the left just blatantly lying to the country? He was very certain Trump colluded with Russia.

Even after the Mueller probe, Schiff was talking about Russia during the impeachment trial.

https://patriotjournal.org/russia-evidence-obama-team-schiff/


Speyside Offline
#221 Posted:
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Trump was impeached, he wasn't convicted. End of story.
delta1 Offline
#222 Posted:
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yes, despite cons' outrage, opinions, conjecture and deep state conspiracy theories (can you say Ukraine) in the face of evidence proving Russia's interference...

removing the stain of Russian help to elect Trump and re-writing history to bolster Trump's claim to the biggest election margin in history...and vilify the Clintons and Obama

Trump is a master manipulator...he says stuff over and over again so that he can start a sentence with one or two words, and his followers can finish the thought...and off they go with this nonsense


We'll see about Flynn, though...he has a powerful ally at the top of the Department of Justice in William Barr, who has proven that he will contort the truth on behalf of Trump and his allies...the Deputy AG who has been handling the prosecution's case against Flynn resigned an hour after the DOJ announced it would drop the matter

it's possible the judge just says "No"

and now, almost 2,000 former DOJ officials are demanding Barr's resignation, protesting that the DOJ's interference in the Stone and Flynn cases amount to unethical politicization of justice
delta1 Offline
#223 Posted:
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the judge said "Not so fast"...

he's putting a hold on the decision to allow independent groups and legal experts to testify about the prosecution's motion to dismiss...

as Drafter used to say, "Film at 11"
DrMaddVibe Offline
#224 Posted:
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The only reason why this isn't wrapped up to your dismay is a filing technicality.

Once resolved you can resume your lies and innuendo.
frankj1 Offline
#225 Posted:
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so, I'm being asked to believe that Flynn lied when he said he lied?
Then pardon the liar.
delta1 Offline
#226 Posted:
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pardoning Flynn would be an audacious act by a POTUS...

first he fires the top national security official from his administration for lying...

the fired official is charged criminally and pleads guilty, making several stipulations of his guilty criminal behavior...

and the same POTUS who fired him would pardon him?

only in Trump world...
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#227 Posted:
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if Barr handles it (which may be a bigger threat than the case itself) it would be to avoid having Trump do the pardon...sort of a mini-pardon.
delta1 Offline
#228 Posted:
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the delay in dropping the case at Barr's request is more than a filing technicality...

and wouldn't that be an irony?...the top prosecutor, the US Attorney General, making a filing error...Keystone Kops?

Judge has decided to put the case on hold saying he wants to hear arguments on behalf of both sides: to drop the case or not...no date for those hearings have been set...

interesting and unusual, to say the least...not a good look for the rule of law and the US criminal justice system...
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Mistakes happen all the time. Why, just take Obama and his mom jeans. Its never good, it just happens.



Note that Justice Department’s motion seeks to dismiss the charge against Flynn with prejudice. That means once the case is dismissed, the government would be prohibited from re-indicting Flynn on the same charge. There is no possibility of the gamesmanship Rule 48 was enacted to prevent.

Judge Sullivan knows this. He is a highly experienced judge. He knows he has no authority to stop the Justice Department from dropping the case. He knows if he tried to do that, he would be reversed by the Court of Appeals. He knows he could not force prosecutors to participate in the sentencing of Flynn, or in any other proceedings in a case that the Justice Department has decided is not worthy of prosecution. The judge knows the question of whether the case should be prosecuted is not his call.

So what does he do? Rather than just doing his job and dismissing the case, he invites amicus briefs. He can’t compel the Justice Department to further hound Flynn, but he figures he can encourage the legal establishment to trumpet the political theme that Trump’s Justice Department is undermining the rule of law. Without a hint of irony, Sullivan’s blatantly political directive is designed to frame the Justice Department as politicized.

In criminal cases, the accused is already pitted against the awesome resources of the government. Forcing the accused to bear the additional burden of defending against amicus briefs is unfair. A good judge would never encourage such a thing. A good judge would assume he could figure out what the law requires, without fear or favor. And if leave to file a brief were sought by an unsolicited amicus curiae — i.e., a true “friend of the court,” a non-party who might help the court do justice in a complex case — a good judge would at that point weigh whether such a brief might be helpful. A good judge never signals: I just don’t know what to do here — help!

Alas, in the Flynn case, we are dealing with a judge who prefers bloviation to preparation.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/the-politicized-order-inviting-amicus-briefs-against-the-flynn-cases-dismissal/
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Applause
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You is one stubborn peddler. Imagine your dismay when the other shoes drop.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/flynn-attorney-sidney-powell-flynn-set-up-was-orchestrated-by-top-officials-in-meeting-with-obama


But wait...there's more!

Yet now, it looks like Schiff knew nobody had a “smoking gun” to prove Trump worked with Russia. In fact, it appears everyone had to admit they had nothing on Trump.

Remember “due process”? A man is innocent until proven guilty. Well, these Obama flunkies don’t seem to have evidence to prove anything.

Yet they told CNN, the New York Times, MSNBC, and all the others a very different story.

This begs the question: was Schiff and the left just blatantly lying to the country? He was very certain Trump colluded with Russia.

Even after the Mueller probe, Schiff was talking about Russia during the impeachment trial.

https://patriotjournal.org/russia-evidence-obama-team-schiff/




Daily Wire? Patriot Journal? You forgot Weekly Reader, they cover Goofus regularly.
frankj1 Offline
#232 Posted:
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are there any more courts to deny Flynn before Barr sidesteps checks and balances?
So far Flynn has lost at every level...














ZRX1200 Offline
#233 Posted:
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LMAO......
delta1 Offline
#234 Posted:
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should we really care about the process about how Flynn walks? he was destined to walk...

if this was really about Flynn, Trump could've said to him to be quiet, get sentenced and then I'll flex this pardon power...end of story

if Sara A Carter is right...that this was all a vast left wing deep state lib Obama/DOJ/FBI conspiracy that includes criminal misconduct from Obama on down the FBI line, with Biden's knowledge, why doesn't the Attorney General, William Barr, who has proven to be Trump's protector, do an actual investigation and file appropriate criminal charges? Trump and Barr control the reins at the DOJ, and can clean house of suspected Deep Staters...why not?

boys and girls...this is all a distraction...HEY WTH??? look at this mess...

so the public stops looking at the real mess, the daily death toll rising...while at the same time getting negative press out on your political enemy: Biden...Obama's wingman....

Biden is the target
frankj1 Offline
#235 Posted:
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I heard Morning Joe or whoever that guy is committed murder and is free.
And Obama committed hideous atrocities I never heard of but are in most of the news papers.
delta1 Offline
#236 Posted:
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he missed the bullseye in the Men's Room...he def aint no Tripod
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