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Brewha Offline
#501 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 10:21 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Tesla isn’t that user friendly to repair if any damage is done, been watching Rich Rebuilds for quite some time.

FWIW, Full coverage on my 2022 Tesla cost an average $62/mo ($744/yr) - with Tesla Insurance.

Adding to that, I only paying 20 cents on the dollar for "gas" compared to my last Infiniti sedan.
The Tesla is rated at 131 MPGe combined.

And while damage to the battery is today's bug-a-boo, consider how many major component the care simply does not have that could fail on a gas car.

No, nothing is perfect. But some things are just better overall.
Brewha Offline
#502 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 10:22 AM EST
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US EV Sales Hit New Record, And People Are Buying More Than Just Teslas

Although gas-powered cars still dominate, EVs are gaining in popularity in the US, thanks in part to federal tax credits and more affordable vehicles.

Emily Dreibelbis
By Emily Dreibelbis
Updated March 20, 2023

Electric vehicles made up 7.1% of car sales in January 2023, a jump from 4.3% during the same time period last year, InsideEVs reports(Opens in a new window). Total car sales, gas and electric, remained on-par with the past two years, meaning EVs are a standout growth area in the automotive industry.

Out of the 87,708 battery-powered registrations, 57% were Teslas and 43% were from non-Tesla brands, such as Chevrolet, Ford, and Volkswagen. While Tesla remains dominant, its market share has taken a noticeable dive from 74% just one year ago.

Another big trend is the impact of federal tax credits. To qualify for the $7,500 credit, vehicles must be made in America and have a portion of their battery materials domestically sourced. There are also price caps on qualifying vehicles, and income caps on customers, to prevent federal funds from going to wealthy customers buying luxury vehicles.

The top two most popular vehicles in January were the Tesla Model Y, with 28,833 new registrations, and the Tesla Model 3, at 17,526. Both sold more units than in January 2022, thanks to some steep price cuts in mid-January 2023.

Tesla model Y
Tesla Model Y, the most-sold EV in January 2023. (Credit: Tesla)
The price of a Model Y dropped $13,000, from $65,990 to $52,990, while the Model 3 got a $3,000 reduction. This particularly affected sales on the Model Y, which jumped 56% year over year, as the vehicle now falls below the $55,000 federal limit for sedans to qualify for the federal tax credit. (Tesla has since raised the price back up slightly to $54,990 as of this writing.)

Tesla also gained ground in January in the luxury segment, growing 34% and surpassing competitors like BMW, Experian reports(Opens in a new window).

Chevy BOlt EUV
2022 Chevy Bolt EUV, the third most-sold EV in January 2023. (Credit: Chevrolet)
The Chevrolet Bolt EUV was the third most popular vehicle, with 4,928 registrations. That's no surprise, as the Bolt EUV is among the most affordable EVs available, at $28,000 compared to $43,000 for a Tesla Model 3, with comparable range.

Next up: the Volkswagen ID.4, with 4,049 total units sold. For the 2023 model year, Volkswagen moved production of the ID.4 to its Chattanooga, Tennessee, plant in order to qualify for the federal tax credit.

Volkswagen ID.4
Volkswagen ID.4, the fourth most-sold EV in Jan. 2023. (Credit: Volkswagen)
After Volkswagen, Ford claimed the fifth and sixth spots with the Mustang Mach-E (3,286 units sold) and the F-150 Lightning pickup truck (2,918). Both qualify for the federal tax credit, though not the priciest trims of the F-150, which are above the $80,000 limit for trucks.

Entry-Level EVs: 7 Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles You Can Buy for Under $40,000
Kia and Hyundai, makers of the popular EV6 and Ioniq 5, respectively, notably did not make the list of top sellers. Both automakers manufacture their vehicles exclusively abroad, automatically disqualifying them for the federal tax credit.

Mustang Mach-E
Ford Mustang Mach-E, the fifth most-sold EV in Jan. 2023. (Credit: Ford)
For all of 2022, electric cars made up 5.8% of all new car sales in the US and 10% globally, according(Opens in a new window) to the Wall Street Journal, up significantly from 2021.

We've yet to find the ceiling on adoption, though several states have targeted completely phasing out gas-powered car sales by 2035. Achieving this will likely require more charging infrastructure and improved range (especially in cold weather), which state and local governments, automakers, and charging companies are working to solve.


https://www.pcmag.com/news/us-ev-car-sales-hit-new-record-and-people-are-buying-more-than-just-teslas
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#503 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 2:42 PM EST
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Gas prices are down 5% here in CT this month in spite of the fact that state gas taxes are being gradually raised from 0 back towards what they were before the gas tax was temporarily eliminated. Can Electric vehicle used be a good part of the price drop ?
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#504 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 4:48 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Gas prices are down 5% here in CT this month in spite of the fact that state gas taxes are being gradually raised from 0 back towards what they were before the gas tax was temporarily eliminated. Can Electric vehicle used be a good part of the price drop ?


135% of the price drop in gas is because of electric vehicles.
tonygraz Offline
#505 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 4:52 PM EST
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I thought it was 98.2 %. Maybe that was February.
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#506 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 5:05 PM EST
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Brew I’ve never said “what is better” I just take offense to the lack of complete context in the conversation at large. At this point no it’s not an answer it’s a sliver of a bandaid.
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#507 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 5:34 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I thought it was 98.2 %. Maybe that was February.


Inflation
Brewha Offline
#508 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 6:05 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brew I’ve never said “what is better” I just take offense to the lack of complete context in the conversation at large. At this point no it’s not an answer it’s a sliver of a bandaid.

Who said that EV’s were a panacea?
They are a piece of the puzzle.

Some here see that they reduce pollution - on a large scale.
Others argue that they don’t do enough.
And of course, some say there is no reason to do anything.

Just like any other clean, high efficiency thing they help to curb pollution by using energy better. Like new HVAC units, LED bulb, etc.

The fact they they are just plain better cars is for me the driving force (see what I did there?).
The green end of them is just a bonus.

But nations the world over have look at this at length and are moving to EV’s.
No foolin’.
MACS Offline
#509 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 7:07 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Brew I’ve never said “what is better” I just take offense to the lack of complete context in the conversation at large. At this point no it’s not an answer it’s a sliver of a bandaid.


Until China and India get on board, and don't hold your breath, anything we do is a sliver of a sliver of a sliver that used to be a bandaid sliver.

Makes almost no difference whatsoever. And that's a fact, Jack.

Anyone wonder why they only go back about 120 years with these temperatures for "global warming" or "climate change"? It's because our planet, before we were even on it... got a whole lot hotter, all by its damn self.

Colder, too!! And then hotter... again. And then colder... again.
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#510 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 7:09 PM EST
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They’re not green though.
frankj1 Offline
#511 Posted: Tue, Mar 21 2023, 9:59 PM EST
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since January, the price of lithium has dropped by nearly 20%.
cobalt by more than half, and copper about 18%...making electric vehicles more affordable even as sales have soared.

The average price of an electric vehicle in the US fell by $1,000 in February compared with January, according to Kelley Blue Book.
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#512 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 12:23 AM EST
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^ Frank I can listen to, when there’s slave labor involved to build something he has family history I don’t think you have Brew. No offense I still ❤️ you.
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#513 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 1:06 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
something truly noteworthy...

I could sure go for some lithium, cobalt, and copper right about now... Mellow
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#514 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 8:23 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Until China and India get on board, and don't hold your breath, anything we do is a sliver of a sliver of a sliver that used to be a bandaid sliver.

Makes almost no difference whatsoever. And that's a fact, Jack.

Anyone wonder why they only go back about 120 years with these temperatures for "global warming" or "climate change"? It's because our planet, before we were even on it... got a whole lot hotter, all by its damn self.

Colder, too!! And then hotter... again. And then colder... again.


That is all true but the difference is we are here now, 7 billion and counting, and the earth's temps are changing much more rapidly now than it ever has in the past. I believe most people know it really is not a good idea to pump billions of tons of CO2 and methane into our atmosphere each year even if they don't want to change their lifestyle.
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#515 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 11:14 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ Frank I can listen to, when there’s slave labor involved to build something he has family history I don’t think you have Brew. No offense I still ❤️ you.

HA!

but ya know, Jamie, ya gotta admit that almost all people suddenly woke about slave and child labor when it comes the the threat of dealing with fossil fuels are sporting several pairs of Nikes of their feet...

be for it, be against it, but be sincere in why we have our own convictions.
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#516 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 11:15 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
That is all true but the difference is we are here now, 7 billion and counting, and the earth's temps are changing much more rapidly now than it ever has in the past. I believe most people know it really is not a good idea to pump billions of tons of CO2 and methane into our atmosphere each year even if they don't want to change their lifestyle.


this is so rational.
ZRX1200 Offline
#517 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 11:40 AM EST
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Frank I wear Danners not Nikes.

And I’ve never been a friend of slave labor. I was making Kathy Lee Gifford jokes when I was still but a wee lad not yet even old enough to buy cigars.
frankj1 Offline
#518 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 11:41 AM EST
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we're always cool.
Gene363 Offline
#519 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 11:58 AM EST
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EVs themselves are not the actual issue, it's the idea that climate alarmists have no compunction about exaggerating and flat out lying to promote their position.

It's a re-run of the lies anti-drug interests told to keep people from using drugs. The COVID issues, the ozone hole, nuclear winter, and the population bomb, IMO the latter is one is going to cause the end of life as we know it.

I'm a born cynic, but for crying out loud, between the pros, the antis, and the conspiracy therapists, trying to get clear, unbiased information is nearly impossible without through research.

There are problems/issues with EVs, some are glaring and impossible to ignore, however, point them out and the EV proponents immediately want to cancel you as some sort of anti-science luddite. To make things worse, anyone with basic intelligence can see they do not understand basic science or believe in a narrative so much they will ignore common sense.

You also have the third issue, there are smart people that are more than willing to monetize issues to make a profit and control the rabble.
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#520 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 12:45 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:


You also have the third issue, there are smart people that are more than willing to monetize issues to make a profit and control the rabble.


You rang?
MACS Offline
#521 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 12:50 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
this is so rational.


Also not quite accurate, but I do agree rational.

In the past when we've had the wild temperature swings of cooling and warming it was very quickly in some of those cases... due to natural occurrences of the Earth such as volcanoes, massive Earth quakes, meteors. We're not even close to CO2 levels of some of the past years and CO2 is not all bad... what we really need to do to help is plant a lot more friggin' trees. They turn that stuff into oxygen ya know. Mellow

John Coleman is a long time meteorologist... i.e. climate scientist. Sadly he has passed on, but he's made a number of videos about the issue. This is a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq3LS4BVSA0

And another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KFMy1iy0uE
Gene363 Offline
#522 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 1:02 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You rang?


BigGrin making a profit is not a bad thing.
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#523 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 1:07 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
EVs themselves are not the actual issue, it's the idea that climate alarmists have no compunction about exaggerating and flat out lying to promote their position.

It's a re-run of the lies anti-drug interests told to keep people from using drugs. The COVID issues, the ozone hole, nuclear winter, and the population bomb, IMO the latter is one is going to cause the end of life as we know it.

I'm a born cynic, but for crying out loud, between the pros, the antis, and the conspiracy therapists, trying to get clear, unbiased information is nearly impossible without through research.

There are problems/issues with EVs, some are glaring and impossible to ignore, however, point them out and the EV proponents immediately want to cancel you as some sort of anti-science luddite. To make things worse, anyone with basic intelligence can see they do not understand basic science or believe in a narrative so much they will ignore common sense.

You also have the third issue, there are smart people that are more than willing to monetize issues to make a profit and control the rabble.



With regards to how I look at it is much the same way our government used agencies to attack the citizens during the plandemic. It was a "hurry hurry you have to do this or else" take and enforced with no legal standing. Feelings and emotions overtook facts and empirical proof it was a falsehood. They ran with it as long as they could until they were dragged through the legal system and common sense prevailed. The same emotional heretics that ran that sham are not surprisingly here peddling the EV's. The ram it down approach by attempting to end petroleum and gas powered motors by 2035 is a laughable joke. Strip away the rebates and the "mandates" and the EV falls under the weight of itself. The use of one is prohibitive to the point of uselessness for me and anyone else with livestock or a large trailer. To date I haven't seen an EV truck with an 8' bed that can tow a 30' 3 horse slant w/ living quarters trailer on a gooseneck much less put 10 bales of hay and 10 bags of feed in. Did I mention that I like to live my life debt free? WTF should I go in debt to buy a fart car? The supposed mileage crumbles under the weight of reality itself. I am not down some new technology. At all. I'm against taxpayer dollars being used against common sense. Look no further than here...they didn't buy it to save the environment!

As for Frank's comment...Nike is a woke company and always was. Any fool wearing them deserves what they peddle and the slave labor it took to make them. You can make a profit, but when you have to use slave labor to do it...go to hell.
Gene363 Offline
#524 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 2:10 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
With regards to how I look at it is much the same way our government used agencies to attack the citizens during the plandemic. It was a "hurry hurry you have to do this or else" take and enforced with no legal standing. Feelings and emotions overtook facts and empirical proof it was a falsehood. They ran with it as long as they could until they were dragged through the legal system and common sense prevailed. The same emotional heretics that ran that sham are not surprisingly here peddling the EV's. The ram it down approach by attempting to end petroleum and gas powered motors by 2035 is a laughable joke. Strip away the rebates and the "mandates" and the EV falls under the weight of itself. The use of one is prohibitive to the point of uselessness for me and anyone else with livestock or a large trailer. To date I haven't seen an EV truck with an 8' bed that can tow a 30' 3 horse slant w/ living quarters trailer on a gooseneck much less put 10 bales of hay and 10 bags of feed in. Did I mention that I like to live my life debt free? WTF should I go in debt to buy a fart car? The supposed mileage crumbles under the wight of reality itself. I am not down some new technology. At all. I'm against taxpayer dollars being used against common sense. Look no further than here...they didn't buy it to save the environment!

As for Frank's comment...Nike is a woke company and always was. Any fool wearing them deserves what they peddle and the slave labor it took to make them. You can make a profit, but when you have to use slave labor to do it...go to hell.


Soon PETA will be the only thing holding back the government from mandating that you butcher your stock and use them to feed insects for consumption. We must do everyting we can to feed the continuiously growing world population. Individual homes and means of travel consume too many reasources so they too will be replaced by collective solutions.

Sarcasm
HockeyDad Offline
#525 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 2:23 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
BigGrin making a profit is not a bad thing.


I don’t bet against the government. If the government says we will all be driving electric cars soon then we will all be driving electric cars soon. It doesn’t matter if it is right or wrong. It doesn’t matter if it does anything for climate change or pollution. You wanna fight it, you would need F-15s.

Now when you get your government mandated electric car, you may still have the option of not wearing a pink skirt like Brewha does when driving it.

For the record, I’m against slave labor. I prefer H-1B visas. It’s progressive.
Gene363 Offline
#526 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 3:57 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I don’t bet against the government. If the government says we will all be driving electric cars soon then we will all be driving electric cars soon. It doesn’t matter if it is right or wrong. It doesn’t matter if it does anything for climate change or pollution. You wanna fight it, you would need F-15s.

Now when you get your government mandated electric car, you may still have the option of not wearing a pink skirt like Brewha does when driving it.

For the record, I’m against slave labor. I prefer H-1B visas. It’s progressive.


Applause Applause Applause

Yes! Getting rid of slavery was genius, it eliminated the expense of feeding, clothing, and sheltering "workers".
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#527 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 6:31 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Also not quite accurate, but I do agree rational.

In the past when we've had the wild temperature swings of cooling and warming it was very quickly in some of those cases... due to natural occurrences of the Earth such as volcanoes, massive Earth quakes, meteors. We're not even close to CO2 levels of some of the past years and CO2 is not all bad... what we really need to do to help is plant a lot more friggin' trees. They turn that stuff into oxygen ya know. Mellow

John Coleman is a long time meteorologist... i.e. climate scientist. Sadly he has passed on, but he's made a number of videos about the issue. This is a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq3LS4BVSA0

And another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KFMy1iy0uE


Those swings you speak of were ones that lasted only a few years due to natural disturbances. There are total denier nuts and profiteers on both sides of this and any issue.

Most of us hate government mandating anything but don't let your hatred overcome reason.
HockeyDad Offline
#528 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 7:13 PM EST
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Government has an established track record of knowing what is best.
Brewha Offline
#529 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 7:20 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Until China and India get on board, and don't hold your breath, anything we do is a sliver of a sliver of a sliver that used to be a bandaid sliver.

Makes almost no difference whatsoever. And that's a fact, Jack.


More that half of all EVs made world wide come from China - like 52% of production.
And this years they have a major initiative to sell in India.

The US trails at about 10% of world production.

Would you know a fact if it bit you on the jack?
Brewha Offline
#530 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 7:21 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
They’re not green though.

Someone did NOT do their home work…Shame on you
Brewha Offline
#531 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 7:39 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
EVs themselves are not the actual issue, it's the idea that climate alarmists have no compunction about exaggerating and flat out lying to promote their position.

It's a re-run of the lies anti-drug interests told to keep people from using drugs. The COVID issues, the ozone hole, nuclear winter, and the population bomb, IMO the latter is one is going to cause the end of life as we know it.

I'm a born cynic, but for crying out loud, between the pros, the antis, and the conspiracy therapists, trying to get clear, unbiased information is nearly impossible without through research.

There are problems/issues with EVs, some are glaring and impossible to ignore, however, point them out and the EV proponents immediately want to cancel you as some sort of anti-science luddite. To make things worse, anyone with basic intelligence can see they do not understand basic science or believe in a narrative so much they will ignore common sense.

You also have the third issue, there are smart people that are more than willing to monetize issues to make a profit and control the rabble.

Gene, It’s really not an issue. They are taking over because they are better.
Just ask General Motors, or Ford, BMW, VW, Hyundai, Kia, Volvo, Nissan, Etc.

Stop - just for a moment - and look, just look, at the technology. It’s better.

As a side line, world governments are acting to limit pollution over the next 10-20 years - Are they ALL crazy?
MACS Offline
#532 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 7:46 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
More that half of all EVs made world wide come from China - like 52% of production.
And this years they have a major initiative to sell in India.

The US trails at about 10% of world production.

Would you know a fact if it bit you on the jack?


I wasn't talking about their production of EV's, I was talking about their propensity to pollute the environment. They do a whole lot of it.

I haven't responded to you much lately, and if I have I wasn't being an ass. In fact, I've made it a point to ignore you for the most part. If you feel the need to respond to me, and I really hope you don't... don't be an ass.
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#533 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 7:54 PM EST
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I have to admit I’m smiling at this thread.

We have the convention of EV’s that is demonstrably better than the old tech in almost every way. As an engineer I say this.
And since they are far less polluting, world government are mandating them over the next decade or more - like they did with leaded gas, incandescent light bulbs, Freon, etc.

But we want to make it a political issue.

LOL
Brewha Offline
#534 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 7:56 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I wasn't talking about their production of EV's, I was talking about their propensity to pollute the environment. They do a whole lot of it.

I haven't responded to you much lately, and if I have I wasn't being an ass. In fact, I've made it a point to ignore you for the most part. If you feel the need to respond to me, and I really hope you don't... don't be an ass.

My bad MACS. I’ll be polite.

China is kicking our ass at EV and battery production - what do you think about that?
HockeyDad Offline
#535 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 7:57 PM EST
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Wait….you’re an engineer? This is the first I have heard of this.
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#536 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 8:04 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Wait….you’re an engineer? This is the first I have heard of this.


Shouldn’t you be off exploring some underpaid workers?
Gene363 Offline
#537 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 8:34 PM EST
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Engineer... all the arrogance, but the systematic analytical mindaet replaced by narrative on this issue.
Gene363 Offline
#538 Posted: Wed, Mar 22 2023, 8:42 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Gene, It’s really not an issue. They are taking over because they are better.
Just ask General Motors, or Ford, BMW, VW, Hyundai, Kia, Volvo, Nissan, Etc.

Stop - just for a moment - and look, just look, at the technology. It’s better.

As a side line, world governments are acting to limit pollution over the next 10-20 years - Are they ALL crazy?


Perhaps, speaking theoretically but today, you do stick to the narrative.
MACS Offline
#539 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 6:42 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
My bad MACS. I’ll be polite.

China is kicking our ass at EV and battery production - what do you think about that?


I think that is one of the reasons why they pollute the planet much more than we do.
Brewha Offline
#540 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 7:05 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Engineer... all the arrogance, but the systematic analytical mindaet replaced by narrative on this issue.



That's it Gene - If you can't speak to the issues, then attack the man - good boy.
Brewha Offline
#541 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 7:09 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Perhaps, speaking theoretically but today, you do stick to the narrative.


You should visit the United States where we have beautify, fast, efficient EVs that fully charge in our garages each night.
Because here - it's not theory - it's reality.
HockeyDad Offline
#542 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 7:28 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Shouldn’t you be off exploring some underpaid workers?


They’re not underpaid but they are all engineers!
Gene363 Offline
#543 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 8:12 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
That's it Gene - If you can't speak to the issues, then attack the man - good boy.


You cry about it, then turn around and try to do the same thing, what is more, you say, "That's it..." but post another reply, how can I believe anything you post, you do not stand by your own statements. LOL My post was not an attack, it was an evaluation, not of a man, just his posts, their content, and their tone.

I've worked with, for, and managed, more engineers than you will probably ever know. Throw in a few mathematicians and scientists too, I have a pretty decent understanding of their mindset. I can say, if your argument boils down to, "I'm an engineer." they might start laughing out loud but at the least, there would be eye rolls.
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#544 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 8:43 AM EST
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Managing engineers is like herding cats.
Gene363 Offline
#545 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 9:02 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Managing engineers is like herding cats.


True. Try getting a few hundred to adapt to and work with a software program. d'oh!
RiverRatRuss Offline
#546 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 9:23 AM EST
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Ya know back in the day when your gas gauge did not work in your truck, you carried a couple gallon gas can with you in your travels...

I'm wondering how big a Booster Jumper to keep ya going will be? will it fit in the trunk or back bed of the Truck? Think d'oh! Brick wall Brick wall Herfing
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#547 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 9:36 AM EST
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I'd bet that most of the Chinese EVs are being produced in factories powered by coal fired power plants.
Brewha Offline
#548 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 10:48 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
You cry about it, then turn around and try to do the same thing, what is more, you say, "That's it..." but post another reply, how can I believe anything you post, you do not stand by your own statements. LOL My post was not an attack, it was an evaluation, not of a man, just his posts, their content, and their tone.

I've worked with, for, and managed, more engineers than you will probably ever know. Throw in a few mathematicians and scientists too, I have a pretty decent understanding of their mindset. I can say, if your argument boils down to, "I'm an engineer." they might start laughing out loud but at the least, there would be eye rolls.


So you're the pointy haired manager from Dilbert!
(that is an evaluation, not an attack)

Now I will give you that you may in fact understand the engineering mind set, but wouldn't it be better to understand the engineering? Then we could have a reasonable discussion about the future of EV's.
Gene363 Offline
#549 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 12:10 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
So you're the pointy haired manager from Dilbert!
(that is an evaluation, not an attack)

Now I will give you that you may in fact understand the engineering mind set, but wouldn't it be better to understand the engineering? Then we could have a reasonable discussion about the future of EV's.


I have a pretty good understanding of engineering, especially the facts Vs hyperbole part, and that is exactly what prevents me from having a "reasonable" discussion.
HockeyDad Offline
#550 Posted: Thu, Mar 23 2023, 1:16 PM EST
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I’m from the government, I’m here to help.
I’m from the CDC, I’m here to help.
I’m an engineer….
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