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John, an artful dodge, but you did not answer my question. Was it not clear?

John, did you see any of the footage of the Kurds that were gassed en-masse? Women and children lying bloated on the ground rotting in the midday sun? The USE of these weapons against his own people is documented. The USE of these weapons against Iran is documented. Therefore, given the known production, existence, ownership, and use of WMD, my questions stands, "what do you think happened to them?" Not what does Hans or Frans think happened, what do you think happened to them?

Robby,

Are you suggesting that we went to war as revenge for gassing the Kurds? That's a very new one to me.

I suspect the weapons have been sold and destroyed. All the evidence is that they no longer exist. To claim otherwise is to fly in the face of existing evidence and blindly support a widely discredited administration position.

Sure, of course they did exist. Years of sanctions and inspections led to their destruction and the end of their production. Deny this all you want, but there is no evidence of any other position.

usahog,

By invoking GWS, you are going back a dozen years for justification for this war. And, again, THAT WAS NOT the reason for going to war. I suspect depleted uranium is to blame for GWS, which would better explain the culture of denial in the military about this syndrom. I'm on the victims' side on this one, hog, so we probably agree that MUCH more needs to be done...and heads need to roll for it taking so long.

John

Sweet Bleeding Jesus....

I sure am glad that no one here (myself included) has any direct decision making power or influence over those who do. (For the love of God, don't give me a representitive democracy lesson...I know we can vote and you know that's not what I mean.)

Or maybe the decision makers should be as hellfire sure of themselves of the RIGHT and GOOD thing to do in any situation like both sides of these kinds of threads tend to be.

But as usual...what the hell do I know?

Yankees win!!!!

So let me get this straight.

The professor said there was never any WOMD in Iraq.
Then he said there once was some.
But they were only used on the Kurds.
And the UN sanctions solved this potential crisis because Sadam wisely destroyed them all like he was supposed to.
But he kept no clear records and/or proof of the destruction.
Even though the ONLY reason they would destroy them would be to satisfy the UN and US.
And then he kept up the appearence of actually having the same weapons he destroyed.
And he did this.....WHY?
So the US would destroy him and his power?

huh?

Never said there were never...I assumed we were talking about now, before the war in the build up.

Yes, I believe that weapons inspections and destruction that took place (yes, it happened...the UN has been there for a dozen years). What evidence is there for your position? None. Simply put, no evidence. Why do you doubt Blix? He was the man in charge. Read what he said recently. Why doubt him?

You guys are obsessed with my education. Give it a rest already. I like debating these issues and all that, but the personal stuff is pretty tiring. Just stick to the topic, ok?

John

BUT, will the sun come out tomorrow? I stay up real late just to see if it will. I think it's like the fridge light. Is it on all the time or just when I open the door? How do I know? Do I want to know? Are there others that want to know or care?

What about breathing? Ever stop to think about that? I mean what if I stop. Can you make the body stop? What make it continue? Would abortion be called murder then?

As for the WOMD. He has them. Until we can get a little cooperation from the powers that be(or were!) in that country. Everyday citizens are starting to open up and tell soldiers about this and that Kay was on the news talking about this. Until the people of Iraq see that Saddam will be joining his sons, they fear retribution. Imagine living under the tyranny those people had to endure. Where do you put YOUR trust? I can only answer for myself, and know what I'd do, but these people behead people for assisting the "Great Satan".

http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html

Exerpt; STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG)
BEFORE THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEFENSE, AND THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
October 2, 2003


Let me turn now to chemical weapons (CW). In searching for retained stocks of chemical munitions, ISG has had to contend with the almost unbelievable scale of Iraq's conventional weapons armory, which dwarfs by orders of magnitude the physical size of any conceivable stock of chemical weapons. For example, there are approximately 130 known Iraqi Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately 120 still remain unexamined. As Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous.

How long do you think it would take to clear out a warehouse 50 square miles in size, and at the same time be wearing gear to protect yourself from possible wmd's exposure, Plus working around 600,000 tons of other known Explosives?? they've only completed 10 of the 130 complexes so far!!! and the above link will show whats been found so far...

Enjoy!!!!
Hog

It's very simple for me.

When it comes to Democrats, I reject them.

It's very easy to do and it makes you feel good.

Saw a bumper sticker this weekend...

"Kill babies. Save whales.
Raise taxes. Vote Democratic"

Marla