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HockyDad,

You can't post that. That's just more of the conservative media bias that Rick was talking about earlier. They're also responsible for Dean's downfall... didn't you know that? :-)

Seems like anybody Algore endorses gets beat!!!!
Maybe he will switch his endorsement to Kerry when Dean drops out...............!

C

On the same night JJ was showing her stuff. A Correctional Officer held hostage for over 14 days in an Arizona State Prison was released by her hostage takers, alive. This story was buried well behind the story of the boob.

are you aware of how those stats come about?

when you run out of unemployment benefits, you no longer count towards the unemployed statistic.

it's not that you have a job; you just don't count in the numbers anymore.

i hope, for ALL of us, that the economy is improving. but i do not see it -- and believe me, i look. people who have been at the same job for 20-30 years are finding themselves out of a job now, and there's just nothing opening up. perhaps there are pockets in the US where this isn't the case, but i know a heck of a lot of industrious, hard-working americans who find themselves out of work for the first time in their lives now -- and the new jobs supposedly coming 'round like lightning to replace them? they don't see them either.

i'm not talking about deadbeats and bums, either.

thing is, tony da sicilian liberal here doesn't point the finger of blame at dubya. a lot of factors play into where we are at this point in time -- some old business, some new business, some global influences, some changes in the way we DO business now.

to say "it's dubya's fault" is too simplistic.

just as it's too simplistic to blame all of us evil liberals for anything else under the sun.

well, rick, occam's razor aside, sometimes the simplest explaination is just the EASIEST, too.

when i learned that bush was going to be our president, i was absolutely apoplectic with rage. i had not one ounce of respect for the AWOL little loserheard. none. hated the man. a lot.

but right now, it looks like, if i vote at all, i might just vote for him.

do i still have issues with how he's done things as prez? absolutely. they're the same things i disagree with vehemently with a LOT of people, though. honestly, i think that there are ways in which i think dubya has been GREAT for this country. i can't ignore that just because i take issue with his views in some cases.

i definitely don't see the democrats offering up a single candidate who could keep our country as COHESIVE as dubya's been doing. yes, there are things i want to see changed; i hope they will change, and i will continue to run my yap on a personal level in hopes of getting through to people about certain issues.

but i have to admit, too, that while we are at war, i am glad that we have bush in office. he's turning out to be a good war PRESIDENT, even if he was a flop in the air national guard.

CWF: let me clarify something about my AWOL statement -- i was referring to my PAST TENSE view of the president. there were a lot of men with rich daddies (or other means to power) who did a lot of things that they may not be proud of today.

and i agree with you that presidents' service records (or lack thereof or tarnishing thereof) have been lobbed back and forth like a game of hot potato. my view of dan quayle was that he DID serve ("those also serve who only stand and wait"). whether big daddy pulled some strings to keep him out of 'nam, i don't know. doesn't really matter.

that was then; this is now.

frankly, i don't give a fiddler's fart about clinton's sex life either. i don't think bush OR clinton have sterling reputations (alcoholism, cocaine use...).

the best professor i had in college was a total scumbag outside of the classroom. made it difficult to reconcile that with the fact that INSIDE the classroom, when he was doing his job, he did it very well, and i benefitted from his teaching.

but no one ever said that being human meant being simple and uncomplicated.

what i have to go by with my vote is how the man's doing in his job. and as far as that goes, i've yet to see a perfect job done by anyone there either.

i do think (now) that it's a bit much to hold people accountable for things that have nothing - zero - zilch to do with the job at hand. both clinton and dubya have done poor things and quite wonderful things with their time in office, imo.

i will grant this: dubya has at least restored the ILLUSION of "honor and decency" to the post of POTUS -- now whether you believe that it's real is going to vary from person to person. some think he's the best prez ever; some think he's a murdering liar. but we all know how the saying goes about opinion. :)

one thing that i DO respect bush for is the way he has lead this country towards respect for our military personnel. one thing that bugs me a lot about him is the way his administration is screwing over some of our veterans. again, it's never black or white. but on the whole, i am not surprised that he is able to inspire a LOT of respect from the military men and women. and i'm glad of that, because no one in uniform should have to worry about fighting a foreign enemy while also worrying if your Com. in Chief is friend or foe as well.

actually, i'd be interested in hearing hog's view on the prez from a military perspective.

CWFoster

even i can find no fault in anything you said, and you know i tried.

I am a Democrat. Don't you think the problem with the Democrats is that they never have a clear cut guy, or girl, running? They always beat each other up. If are one of the losers in the primary, how can you honestly support the other Dem after you just bashed him? It seems to me that Republicans stick together more often and they all stick behind one or two main people.

I come from a small town where it is 5-1 Democrats. Republicans have no shot at anything here. Especially when we have people like my grandmother who votes straight Dem regardless of who is running. Charles Manson could be running and if he was running as a Dem, he would get her vote.

I think the problem with this Country is that too many people either vote for the party regardless of who is running or don't give a crap and don't vote. Take the 2000 election. Only 51% of all people eligible to vote, voted. That is a disgrace to this Country and our roots. People take things for granted too much and think "why bother, it'll do no good." That is the wrong attitude. I bet you when elections in Iraq start, more then 50% will turn out. I said my 2¢ worth.

See the cents sign????

Cavallo- I wasn't referring to your post specifically! I usually just shine on the liberals doing the "AWOL Shuffle" as beyond convincing. I only answered your post, because I know you are an intelligent person, and I thought I'd finally voice my .02 worth to someone who would at least read my thoughts before composing a rebuttal. BTW, someone once made allegations about Bush using cocaine, and rather than the usual denials, he basically refused to dignify the question with a response. The press (consrervative-controlled, I think not Mr. Maven!) had a field day with the "doesn't deny" angle. No one has ever provided any evidence or testimony to back such claims! Second, Bush admitted to having a drinking problem, and quit drinking long before running for the presidency. Did Clinton quit philandering before he went into office? I hope Hog does post, I like his posts, but you have a military viewpoint here too.

Rick- I'm glad you could find no fault, that's one of the things I like about you, you keep me honest, and tighten up my game! :)

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Rick it's right there... Cntrl F-4

Hog

Yes, Hog is right, you have to type it in word and then copy and paste it. I hit CTRL,/,C in that together in that order.

you try spelling correctly after two hours sleep, a few hours with the direct tv cable man correcting inputs from my dvd and vcr, going to a matinee of forever plaid, a play bradley was performing, and then driving to ross's house to look through his new telescope with my not completely healed eyes, but i did see the rings around saturn and the 4 moons of, i guess it was jupiter, start "open range at 1:30 am and start posting by moonlight.

Rick, you start out nipple and end up bush. Kinda early in the morning for you isn't it? Or just going to bed?

P.S. Occam was a gay blade.