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The Truth Betold !
Danny Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 06-21-2002
Posts: 613
certainly it's worth it....but only if unquestionably true. Otherwise, it's just part of a larger smear campaign. How can you blame me questioning something as blatant as that?

Seriously Jon, do you really think that some news service wouldn't be blasting that all over the media airwaves if they could do so without fear of recrimination? It would be the story of the year for sure. Hearing it firsthand on a cigar bbs is not exactly what the Bush camp would engineer...and if they had their hands on this info, and they could prove it, it would be an overnight sensation. You must know that.
bassdude Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2004
Posts: 8,871
Danny try these:
http://www.cigarbid.com/...geDisplay=0000000024724

Even the gar makers are against the libs.
http://www.cigarbid.com/...geDisplay=0000000024561

Danny does the conduct of Kerry when he came home from Nam bother you?

I am a conservative, not a neo-con and not a Republican.

What really gets me about the Dems is:
ACT
The complete refusal for tort reform especially with medical lawsuits - now they are against a plan the Docs support
Affirmative action
The removal of the 10 commandments from judicial buildings
Against Christmas displays
God in the pledge





JonR Offline
#53 Posted:
Joined: 02-19-2002
Posts: 9,740
Yo Danny:

Your statement:

"Seriously Jon, do you really think that some news service wouldn't be blasting that all over the media airwaves if they could do so without fear of recrimination? It would be the story of the year for sure. Hearing it firsthand on a cigar bbs is not exactly what the Bush camp would engineer...and if they had their hands on this info, and they could prove it, it would be an overnight sensation. You must know that."

Had you taken the time and read my original post that started this thread you would have seen the book ( already #2 on the best seller list) is to be released in August and that is when as we used to say in the Corps the **** will hit the fan ( or in this case kerry ).

You know if your going to make derogatory remarks about what someone posts, you should at the very least read what was posted.

JonR
DrMaddVibe Offline
#54 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,528
How's about a little truth here. Choke on it while you want to believe the lies. Here's the facts about Kerry while in the Senate according to his voting record...

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle

He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank

He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.

He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system

He voted to Kill the F-15 Strike Eagle

He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16

He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade

He voted to Kill the B-1

He voted to Kill the B-2

He voted to Kill the Patriot Anti Missile System

He voted to Kill the FA-18

He voted to Kill the B-2

He voted to Kill the F117

In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor and night vision goggles for our troops.

He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!

Now what were our soldiers going to do to defend themselves? Raise the sporks from their MRE's and take the hill? Hold up their M-16's and mount bayonets while marching to Iraq and Afghanistan from New Jersey? This is the guy(and I'm using the term loosely, because anyone that's as vain as him to inject botox in their forehead isn't all that manly!)that wants to lead OUR nation. This guy(another loosely used form of the word)thought it was okay to commit war crimes during his 4 months(yeah, only 4 months!)in Vietnam and then come back and organize anti-war rallies here on US soil. THAT'S the TRUTH. Can YOU handle it?
Charlie Offline
#55 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
Danny will not believe the vote listing, as he is too damn pent up on his own "facts" and "opinions" and also one of the guys that would believe anything that JfK told him fact or fiction, opinion or fact! Yet he would call GWB a liar and cheat.........hmmmmm, something wrong with that boy and how long before he disappears from the board like others who were of his ilk.......remember JDrabinski or whatever his handle was? mhpd, another brilliant backer of the liberal line!

Charlie
Charlie Offline
#56 Posted:
Joined: 06-16-2002
Posts: 39,751
Oh, DMV great post!

This guy Kerry is the same guy who stood at the podium in the Fleet Center and vowed to rebuild the military although the had voted against them in the past! Those are the facts, Danny boy!

Charlie
Cavallo Offline
#57 Posted:
Joined: 01-05-2004
Posts: 2,796
DMV -- that's a distortion. kerry -- or any OTHER senator -- did not have the POWER to line vote against those items. allocation votes are all or nothing. you could put that record up on almost any senator of either party.

what was rumsfield's stance, though? how about listing the things he tried to eliminate from the military?

hog -- carefuly now; only ONE of those men quoted actually served with kerry. many of those who DID serve with him continue to stand by him today.

also, adm. hoffman, who is quoted as critizing kerry's performance in 'nam, is on record IN VIET NAM for praising his swift boat missions and the actions he took then.
Danny Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 06-21-2002
Posts: 613
those weapons systems were all part of Senate Bill S3189 which was the Fiscal Year 1991 Defense Appropriations Act. There was no vote on those weapons systems individually. Kerry was one of 16 senators (including 5 republicans) to vote against the defense appropriations.

Guess who said this:

"Overall, since I've been Secretary, we will have taken the 5 year defense program down by well over $300 billion. That's the peace dividend...and now we're adding to that another $50 billion...of so-called peace dividend."

And this:

"Congress has let me cancel a few programs. But you've squabbled and sometimes bickered and horse-traded and ended up forcing me to spend money on weapons that don't fill a vital need in these times of tight budgets and new requirements. You've directed me to buy more M-1's, F-14's, and F-16's-all great systems, but we have enough of them." --****** Cheney while he was in George H. Bush's cabinet.

Let's tell the truth guys. DMV, thanks for bringing this up, it makes a point about the way facts get twisted to serve an agenda.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#59 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,528
I stated that he voted against EVERY APPROPRIATION! The items listed ranged from the years 1988 to present. Those ARE facts. There's no agenda. He talks about a stronger military but his past record going all the way back to when he stated out of his own mouth that he committed war crimes and atrocities is one of blinded anger towards a military that this and any nation needs and wants.

Would you like it better if I stated he was for it before he voted against it? Does that make you warm and comfy? Does that disguise the fact that this guy is a major waffler?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,528
PS...Cav...2 soldiers out of his unit of 20 stand with him.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

Pass your mouse over the picture to see the fact. There are some soldiers that are asking for a cease and desist order of the use of their image and likenesses as well as the photos he's been using.

No distortion there.
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