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My uncle (for whom I have a great deal of respect for) sent me an e-mail that contained this information in it. I am NOT a Kerry basher - I am trying to make up my mind on the person I THINK would do a better job for my family. I do not vote 100% according to party affiliation --- so I need some input on this.

I decided to come here because I know that politics are a very hot topic here, and are discussed freely with no hard feelings. Thanks.

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John Kerry on Defense -- I hadn't seen this list
printed before.
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
(So... send it to as many voters as you can!)

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down since 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 Strike Eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot Anti Missile System
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117

In short, he voted to kill every military
appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs.

He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

But then he voted to increase OUR funding for UN
operations by 800%!!!




TRUTH OR FICTION!?!?!?!?



-Chris

Chris, if you don't mind.. take a look at the Roll Call Thread I posted last week

http://www.cigarbid.com/...geDisplay=0000000024748

it has a link that can take you directly to the senate voting since 1986...

there are 1000's of bills since then that have been discussed passed or failed on the senate floor since then

this email issue is on Snopes.com
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp

and listed as false.. "why false" because as it explains these items were on the defense appropriations bills and Members of Congress ultimately vote "yea" or "nay" on an entire appropriations bill; they don't pick and choose to approve some items and reject others.

So Yes Kerry voted against these Defense Appropriations Bills which in turn would be against the items listed on these bills

1990 DAB http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=101&session=2&vote=00273

Roll Call..
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/rollcallvotes.html

this can direct you to actual votings by each member of congress on each bill for that session of the senate dating back to 1989.... the defence authorization bills are annually and can be viewed from this site.. just click back to get back to the main page to go on to the next session...

Good Luck and hope this helps!!!!

Hog

WOW!!!

I did not know that, thanks for that clear and percise information.

I know who Im voting for, so there...

My post was all-in-all 100% honest.

My uncle from Maine sent me this email in a Kerry-bashing sort of way. I do love my uncle, and I do respect him greatly. However, I want to know if the things on the e-mail are factual or are not factual.

If you honestly feel that I posted this as an attempt to bash Kerry than I am sorry. You are wrong.

I am a person that does not follow politics because it is hard for me to choose the lesser of two lairs. I would like to know what others think about this. That is all.

Adroomi - people like you make it hard for me to post regularly on this site. I will continue to read, but probably won't be posting too much anymore.

You and your "EVERYONE HAS AN ADJENDA" brothers can now have this site back.

-Chris

cigar-fiend: you can find info on a whole lot of disinformation on snopes.com -- both about kerry and bush.

the direct link to this particular bit of falsehood is here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp

you can also find out the truth about his wife's funds -- she does not donate to the hodgepodge of uber-lefty orgs she was acused of doing. also, the stuff about "her" company sending jobs abroad is debunked as well (she doesn't own the company, for one thing, nor does she control it or its stock).

sorry for the triple here, but i feel the need to address this:

adroomi -- while you're welcome to your opinions, that was in MY opinion a very craptastic way to address a BOTL here. i didn't read *any* malice at all into cigar-fiend's post, and your name calling was wholly uncalled for. i would think that an apology is in order.

cigar-fiend, regardless of political affiliation, you should feel welcome to speak your mind here. while we do talk a LOT about politics in this forum right now -- as it is an election year. however, whatever the content of your posts, i hope you'll continue to participate in this forum.

i'm an unapologetic democrat (note: that does NOT make me a kerry fan; i am not even close to being happy with, much less thrilled about, his candidacy), but not every democrat (or every liberal) is just ready to pounce on those who have different beliefs.

finally, to everyone -- state your facts, speak your opinion, but remember that you're addressing your brothers and sisters here. if we can't address each other with a modicum of decency and respect, i don't have much hope for us as a nation at all.

hog, brother, i hear you. i want the same thing. however, we're not going to GET the whole truth -- not out of kerry, and not out of bush either.

what we get is so much spin -- for better and for worse. the above email spam is just another "let's make kerry look as dirty as possible" piece of fiction. i could dig up this and that "good program" that bush has denied, gutted and killed as well -- but that, too, isn't the full truth, just like this piece isn't the full truth.

thing is, folks just want to point that out in the candidate they oppose -- not their own man.

if you dig deeper than a hair's breadth on either of these candidates, you WILL find half-truths, lies and outright deceit. there IS no presidential candidate that is without dirt -- and plenty of it -- on their character, their voting record and their very personhood. the best we can do is examine BOTH of them with EQUAL VIGOR and decide from there.

in short, if you only look for dirt on one man, you'll only find it on one. give as much time into looking up the grime on bush, and you'll find just as much. you'll ALSO find just as many instances of him being unfairly bashed and half truths told about him.

this kind of one-sided b.s. is just that -- b.s. -- and ultimately not a useful reflection on the candidate at all. what i want is what's ALL true, ALL real; not this lopsided twisted-around crap.

For those of you that took your time for a truthfull and honest explaination of the question I thank you.

For those of you that think I meant otherwise or think badly of my for posting my question...I'm sorry.

Later.

-Chris