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I cought some of this last evening after the debates...

Kerry still did not answer the questions and went around them as usual...

I think Bush did pretty good, he looked exausted, which wasn't good.. but when asked weather there were inside personal feelings between the two(I know this wasn't how lehrer worded it) but I think they both lied...

Kerry still flip flopped while Bush stayed the course on how this Administration was handling things...Actually if the whole American (voting) People knew Kerry's background in the Senate they would be running away from Kerry... but then there are still those who are ABB's...

on to the next debate... Domestic Issue's

Hog

Kerry showed us only one thing
He is a very articulate liar

"I never thougth I'd see the day a president stutter"

I seen that also, a few times... this is where I pointed out I think they both lied about their personal feelings towards one another... Bush a few times looked like he wanted to Stomp a mudhole in Kerry's A$$....

but on to answer your question....
Kerry didn't have a consistency on his position on Iraq
in the beginning of the debate he he aknowledged Saddam was a theat later through the debate he tried to explain away that Saddam wasn't a threat (the) threat...

I don't know if anyone caught this other then myself..
Kerry Also pointed out in the Beggining (Poor Soldiers, he talked to many of their parents who were buying their sons/daughters their own gear and sending it to them as early christmas presents HE HE HA HA Laughs) he then later slammed Bush for now going to Congress and asking for the 4.7 billion dollars release for upgrading equipment for the troops, he also tried to spin this one request as for more training for the Iraqi security...(American People are busy in their lives and many do not get a chance to see what or where this money's is going) so they here (in a radio or TV add) some jackwad say well he's doing this or that with your money and not doing this or that with it.. this sticks in their head.. Bush is F**kin US!!!

Here's a little tidbit of info straight from the Commander in the Field of both Operations... it shows Kerry lied and is Lying about the Intel Reports (That Bush Points out, Kerry Also reads the same reports)

Gen. Tommy Franks

Zeroing in on John Kerry's description of the Iraq war during Thursday night's debate as a "grand diversion" to the real war on terror, former CENTCOM commander Gen. Tommy Franks complained:

"I would find it very difficult to look in the eyes of an ally or to look in the eyes of a mom or a dad and describe what their sons and daughters are going through as a 'grand diversion.'"

"That bothered me, yes it did," Gen. Franks told the Fox News Channel.

Franks said Kerry's position - that the war was wrong in the first place but now must be won - sends a confusing message the troops on the ground.

"You've got to respect the troops. You've got to believe in your heart that what you're doing, if you're going to fight a war for the United States of America, is precisely right at precisely the right time.

"And so the Senator's comments give me a little problem."

Gen. Franks also took issue with Kerry's claim that troops and equipment from the Afghan war were diverted to Iraq.

"The fact of the matter is that I was responsible for both Afghanistan and Iraq, he told Fox. "The numbers speak for themselves.

"The day we started operations in Iraq we had about 9,500 Americans operating in Afghanistan. That number, in fact, increased during operations in Iraq and continues to increase today."

"with Emphasis"
THE DAY WE STARTED OPERATIONS IN IRAQ WE HAD ABOUT 9,500 AMERICANS OPERATING IN AFGHANISTAN. THAT NUMBER,
IN "FACT", INCREASED DURING OPERATIONS IN IRAQ AND CONTINUES TO INCREASE TODAY....

NOW JOHN F KERRY WAS ON NATIONAL TV LAST NIGHTS DEBATES
AND LIED HIS ASS OFF TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!

and that wasn't the only time!!!!!!!!! and you all want this SOB as Commander and Chief LMMFAO!!!!!!!

another flip flop.... lehrer asked Kerry point blank.. "New question, Senator Kerry. Two minutes. You've repeatedly accused President Bush, not here tonight but elsewhere before, of not telling the truth about Iraq. Essentially, of lying to the American people about Iraq. Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth." SEN. KERRY: "Well, I've never, ever used the harshest word as you just did."

BUT IN DECEMBER 2003, KERRY TOLD NEW HAMPSHIRE EDITORIAL BOARD BUSH "LIED" ABOUT REASON FOR GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ. "Kerry also told a New Hampshire newspaper editorial board Friday that Bush had 'lied' about his reasons for going to war in Iraq, a word Kerry has been reluctant to use publicly for months. Yesterday he said he did not plan to use the word again."
AND IN SEPTEMBER 2003, KERRY SAID BUSH ADMINISTRATION "LIED" AND "MISLED." "This administration has lied to us. They have misled us. And they have broken their promises to us. The president promised to the people and the Congress that he would build an international coalition, respect the United Nations' process and only go to war as a last resort. I will tell you that from my war fighting experience, I believe there is a test for a president as to how you go to war. And that test is whether or not you can look in the eyes of parents and say to them, 'I did everything possible to avoid the loss of your son and daughter, but we had no other choice in order to protect the security of our nation,' and I know this president fails that test in Iraq."

and Edwards has used the word all last week in his Campaining against Bush and Cheney...

So there is the Flip and Flop of John the Bab Tist Kerry!!!

I'm Sticking with Bush... at least his same resolve is the same thing he's said from the beginning!!!

Ya'll can have Kerry ;0)

Hog

Kerry lied several times, one when he said that the President/Administration had not spent one nickel on police and firemen, and a second time when he said no money had been spent on bridges and tunnels, he knew that was untrue, but still danced thru with those answers.
Neither one of them said much!

Charlie

You Flip-Flop supporters amaze me.

Mr. Flip-Flop has contradicted himself in the past on most issures he discused last night.

How can you believe anything he said last night, when he has shown this chronic propensity to contradict his own positions on the issues?

One thing he said last night, which I'm sure he actually believes in, is that the US needs to pass a "global test" when defending itself against our enemies.

Well, Mr. Flip-Flop, your policy to require this great nation to get the approval from foreign nations when taking action to defend its interests, is the wrong policy, in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

DD

One of the best remarks of the night that has seemed to have been missed by most is when Bush asked how Kerry was going to pay for all of these programs. That is my question. If he is going to rebuild tunnels and bridges, give more money to the police and fire, fund education, build a stronger military, how the hell is he going to pay for it? I know, YOU and I! It sure as hell won't be his wife writing a check.

Is anyone else tired of hearing the same old crap? These are the same funding issues that go back into the early 70's. If know one else has the answer and apparently it depends which day you ask Kerry, how can we expect Bush. Kerry seems to forget that ultimately Congress makes funding decisions.

DRJ

gee what happend to hoyodude and sonny?
Did the have a moment of realization?

Jon,

I hate to point out the obvious but since you didn't read the article I'll explain it for you just this one time.

First: I can't and don't speak for Kerry as I don't work for him am not a Democrat and am not a volunteer for him either.

Second: It wasn't Kerry's campaign that put out that information, it was the Associated Press.

Do you decide what polls count? If so please list them so I can check them out from time to time. If you aren't the one deciding what polls count then you opinion is like the major part of your anatomy the same as everyone elses. Also, unless you are a Rocky wannabe the "Yo" makes you sound........well I'll just let you guess.

Yo AVB:

Your reply:

"Jon,

I hate to point out the obvious but since you didn't read the article I'll explain it for you just this one time.

First: I can't and don't speak for Kerry as I don't work for him am not a Democrat and am not a volunteer for him either.

Second: It wasn't Kerry's campaign that put out that information, it was the Associated Press.

Do you decide what polls count? If so please list them so I can check them out from time to time. If you aren't the one deciding what polls count then you opinion is like the major part of your anatomy the same as everyone elses. Also, unless you are a Rocky wannabe the "Yo" makes you sound........well I'll just let you guess."

My retort:

1) If I had a dime for every time I heard someone say "I hate to tell you etc. etc.". Well guess what, If you hate to, then don't do it. Now wasn't that easy to learn.

2) Yes I did read that article.

3) Show me where I said you ever worked or volunteered for kerry, or accused you of being a democrat.

4) Like I said I read the article and knew it was put out by the A.P..

5) The polls I feel that count pertain to which candidate is leading in the Presidential race. Polls by the major TV networks and the likes of Associated Press.

6) Lastly I have been using the term "Yo" for over fifty years. In Philidelphia "Yo" is just another way of saying "hello" or "hey". I was using the word "Yo" when Sly Stalone was still crapping in his diapers, hmmm maybe Rocky is a JonR wannabe. If you have trouble handling the word "Yo", maybe you should seek professional help.

JonR

Ps: The word "Yo" is listed in the online Merriam Webster dictionary, look it up.

Yo pablo:

Typing on the boards, smoking a Diamond Crown #6 maduro, and sipping three fingers of Jack Daniels Single Barrel.

All is well in my world, I hope it's the same for you.

Stay cool my friend.

JonR

oh yea, JonR for president...

The only poll that counts is the one on election day! Till then let the pundits and the pollsters have fun, as they seem to do so!

Charlie

Dear Sir or Madam (AVB):

Your reply:

"Does Newsweek make your list?"


My retort:

When it comes to accurately reporting the polling figures, newsweek comes in slightly behind People magazine but slightly ahead of the National Inquirer.


JonR

Yo Rick:

Hmmmm let me see if I read your reply correctly, you are afraid of the bogeyman and extremely jealous of our Honorable President George W. Bush.

JonR

Ps: I almost forgot, you are also full of lumps.